Porn has White, Black, Asian, and Hispanic girls all found in abundance. But why are there so few Persian, Arab, Indian/Pakistani girls that do porn? I know there are several who have a mixed background (e.g. half Spanish half Iranian) but why are there so few "full-blooded" porn stars? It can't be just religion, because there must be girls living in America, Canada, and Europe who have these ethnic backgrounds, but are not necessarily religious.
^ The thing about religion is that you don't need to be religious to be influenced by it. Your religious relatives and friends can cut you off and isolate you in their immigrant community. Or even worse. They can kill you. Which happens once in a while even in western countries in immigrant communities.
The obvious answer is culture. Perhaps you haven't heard of so-called honor killings happening in Western countries, but they do. However, one doesn't have to go to that extreme to convince a woman that sex is a burden, and casual sex is very bad. The Victorians managed the first bit handily, although you'll find that once safely married there could be some leeway regarding casual sex, assuming the proper discretion was observed. There's nothing discrete about appearing in a porn movie.
I suspect that American girls of Middle Eastern descent tend to come from better socio-economic backgrounds than typical porn girls. Thus, they are less likely to have any financial pressure to do porn.
I agree with the other members. It's cultural. Life is very cheap in some countries. They won't bat an eyelid to conduct an 'honour killing'. Not just Persian and Arabian countries. Many cultures would commit these so called 'honour killings' if a woman appeared in a Porno. It means nothing to people in some countries to kill a woman. Absolutely nothing. So that's why they don't appear in porn in my opinion. I've often wondered though about prostitution in some parts of the world. Surely prostitution exists in just about every country on earth. I guess it's much more secretive though.
Its usually a mixture of reasons. Predominantly cultural, in that the performer would most likely be ostracised by their family and community. Also tight, extended family bonds mean that a family would usually continue to support a child through any financial hardship, which would mean that they would not face the same financial pressure to enter the industry. This may not necessarily mean parents, but also aunts, uncles and even relatively distant relations often classed as "family friends". This support and often pressure from the family usually mean that its often easier for people of Arabic, Iranian and Indo-Pakistani background to progress through higher education and aim to get "white collar" employment. And often as most people of these ethnicities are essentially "groomed" for this level of employment, they wouldn't want to jeopardise any future employment potential by performing. After all, everybody has heard of the difficulties that most former performers have in obtaining and maintaining stable employment after they leave the industry. Another reason would be "nepotism" in that self employed, middle class people of these ethnic and cultural origins would tend to employ family members and negate the financial need to perform. As for the cultural taboos, these remain to a much greater extent in these communities compared to Occidental communities. With regards to honour-killings there have been less than 20 cases reported in the US since 1989. I think the total is about 10. In the UK where they report it as honour related crime the rate is higher at approximately 400 - 500 per year and this covers everything psychological to physical abuse and assault as well and includes a disparate group of ethnicities from Oriental, Asian, Eastern European as well as African communities. I'm probably making a rather bold leap, but I would assume that these statistics are probably similar to or slightly less than the general rates of domestic violence outside these groups. Though this could be skewed by under-reporting in non English speaking minorities. World wide the reported rates of honour killings vary from 5,000 according to the UN and 20,000 per year according to independent groups. Though my feeling is that since the UN generally under report and independent groups tend to exaggerate, its probably somewhere in between. Though closer to the 20,000. So I doubt that the fear of honour killing plays a significant role in American or European pornography. In the Indian sub-continent, pornography is still to a significant extent considered illegal. Though this is not strictly enforced and it is possible to film there with local talent. Though they are often poor, untested prostitutes, and with higher rates of Hepatitis B or C and now increasing rates of HIV make it an even more risky venture. My experience in Middle Eastern countries is limited, my understanding is that often prostitutes are foreigners from the Eastern European bloc, Russia or the Phillipines. Added to the fact that pornography is definitely illegal. And honour based killing is more likely to be an issue if the state doesn't get involved. Hope that helps.
Several articles, including this one, would counter your belief. Edited by - flash on 3/12/2014 10:55:54 AM
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Posted - Mar 12 2014 : 11:03AM
Thanks indisposed for all the info. I have a just few questions: How do you know that all Persian/Arab/South Asian families contain "tight extended family bonds mean that a family would usually continue to support a child through any financial hardship"?? What happens if one of these kids doesn't "follow the rules" and drops out of High School and doesn't want to work at some crappy low-paying job, are you saying that their extended family would still support them? I guess what I'm trying to get at is even if what you're saying is true (and it sounds like you're probably right) there must be some "rebellious" girls who don't want to conform to what their family wants them to do, and you would think at least a small percent (even if it's 1%) would fall into a situation where doing porn would be beneficial for them. You can't say that ALL Persian/Middle East/South Asian people are homogeneous, which is why I'm surprised you don't see more porn stars who have that background.
In one of his books, Robert Baer said that, without exception, the more repressive the Muslim country he's been to, the more sick and perverted the sexual underworld in that country. He went on to cite Saudi Arabia and Iran specifically. But I think that underworld must be available only to men of privilege, because George Friedman explained the flashpoint of the Arab Spring as a bunch of young men who are angry because they want to get married (i.e. have sex), but the current regime offered no real hope of improving economic conditions to the point where these young men could actually find a job to be able to buy a house (a prerequisite for marriage).
Whatever Muslims do or don't do is not that important, considering that the majority of Arab Americans are Christians.
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Some times, I am amazed at just how ill-informed most Americans are. It's not a religion thing, Muslims aren't the only ones who do it...even though, those are pretty much the only cases Media outlets focus on for one political reason or another. Rather, it's a cultural thing, Killings in the name of family and honor have taken place long before Islam even existed thoughout Asia, Africa and yes Europe. Uneducated, back word and extremist people of those cultures still hold true to those traditions. Do you know that there are more "honor killings" committed in India then any other countries in the World...including the Muslim World? and no, they aren't committed by Muslims living in India which make up around 15-18 percent of the population but rather....HINDUS. Until a couple of centuries ago, it was a widespread practice of Hindu religion to burn alive the wife of a husband with his body, and in some remote villages of India...there are still isolated cases that it's still being practiced for exceptional cases. Human sacrifice, specially of young Virgins in the name of Gods has been practiced for thousands of years in India and Africa, and even South America....either for Prosperity, Wealth, or even RAIN. Again, in remote places in India, there are still isolated cases which people find out about...virgin girls being sacrificed in the name of "KAALI" the Goddess, as well as remote tribes in South America and Africa. Honor Killings are very common in China as well. In South America, even though the media chooses not to call them honor killings, and not even report them for more then 5 seconds.....there are thousands of murders committed everywhere in places like Mexico, Columbia and such, where a girl is caught with a guy of an enemy warlord's family or rival gangs or the people he controls or vise versa. Or even just to associate with them at times, are killed in the most graphic manners like beheadings, and burnt alive etc. Those are indeed "Honor Killings" in their true definition. Just because the controlled North American Media doesn't report it or focus on it at all, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. People who follow the terribly Biased American Media outlets are the most ill-informed people on earth now that's my understanding. These are facts, not fiction which most of CNN, FOX, NBC, and CBS choose to report on. So yes, there are honor killings in Muslim countries by closed minded, uneducated and uncivilized people in Muslim Countries....JUST LIKE they happen in India, China, Africa, South America and other places. People need to be educated, and end poverty...the only way to get rid of this menace. The ignorant thinking of most "Civilized and educated" people in the Western World regarding such topics doesn't help the cause either where for every evil, their simple answer is it's cuz of Islam. I call it the George Bush Syndrome. Oh btw, all the killings committed by White people throughout Americas, and the South which took place til the 60s and a lot of them weren't even ever reported, since blacks weren't considered normal humans....of black men and even their White daughters just for having sex are ALSO "Honor Killings" . Whether you choose to call them as such or not. Edited by - chuckthefreak on 3/12/2014 5:14:04 PM
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Posted - Mar 12 2014 : 7:29PM
^^ I don't have a problem with you addressing the honor killing issue but that has nothing to do with the question I'm asking about in this thread. Please try to stay on topic. Edited by - Cloudburst on 3/12/2014 7:30:04 PM
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Posted - Mar 12 2014 : 7:32PM
Can't they get sex without getting married, or just jerk off to porn? I guess they don't think about the benefits of not being married to a woman e.g. freedom...
Actually I read and hear that our porn chickies like to go to Dubai as escorts because the johns pay $50K plus expenses for a weekend of sex. Girls were twittering about "vacations" to Dubai until word of what was actually going on got out. For the record Dubai is a Muslim country where extra-marital sex is banned for Muslim residents. Another incident of Muslim country extra marital sex was in Libya where Col. Gadaffi (the former dictator of Libya) was actually taking cute young chickies prisoner (not Americans thank God) as sex slaves for him and his adult children to fuck every time they got horny.
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Posted - Mar 14 2014 : 2:58AM
Are you sure about that $50k figure, where exactly did you read that? If true that's fucking insane, a girl could make in one weekend what most people earn in an entire year slaving away at some crappy job. And [MOD: Again, read the etiquette. This is the 2nd time I've had to say this to you, I don't plan to again] still whine about how women are "oppressed" by society... Edited by - flash on 3/14/2014 8:45:30 AM
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Posted - Mar 14 2014 : 8:52AM
Yep-remember Sahara Knite saying her family pretty much disowned her when they found out she did porn & she was getting death threats from the mad Muzzie brigade. She is srill a somewhat devout Muslim herself-sans the sex part.
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Posted - Mar 14 2014 : 3:50PM
Flash what did I do wrong, use the word "feminazis"? I honestly didn't think that would be enough to get text actually removed, and also I just read the etiquette and it says nothing about not being able to use strong language on this forum. Please tell me what I did wrong here, thanks. Edited by - Cloudburst on 3/14/2014 3:51:49 PM
Muzzie brigade huh? :) Oh btw, Sunny Leone was also disowned by not only her family, but all of her relatives way before she even did hardcore...when she did adult photos for penthouse. Until her father died, he wouldn't speak to her and still to this day...her relatives don't want anything to do with her, the ones in Canada nor India. Hence she still insists on using her Porno name, and now when she's become a huge Bollywood star...she still insists on using her Porno name and hides her real family name because her family in India wants nothing to do with her. Only her brother who is a Chief, has a relationship with her. I know all this, because I've actually met her cousins...as I grew up less then 2hours drive from where she did, in Windsor Ontario. She was born and raised in London Ontario. My point again, she belongs to a Sikh Indian family, who practice Sikh religion. Nothing to do with Islam, or "Muzzies"...rather a cultural thing. That was the whole point of my last long post, yet, ignorant minds only read and believe what's more convenient and what they want to believe.
^ A good post. One thing: I think Sunny was born and raised in Sarnia, not London. Still close to you in Windsor though.
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ChuckTheFreak Deactivated User
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Posted - Mar 14 2014 : 9:18PM
Can't believe everything that's written on wikipedia. She might've been born in Sarnia, but did live in London and still has family there. She has a few cousins who are friends of friends and I have moved in the same circles in the past. She does have family in Mississauga and Sarnia also.
I will see if I can find where I saw that (I think it was on another thread right here at ADT) but yes, I am serious. BTW I don't know what then issue is that caused Flash to edit your post but I will link the etiquette rules here so you can find them as I would hate to see you banned: Etiquette guidance
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Posted - Mar 15 2014 : 4:38AM
Yep-Sahara was disowned just for doing Babestation-which is a late night show here where models/porn stars go topless & shake their asses for men & women phoning up their premium number. I should explain mad muzzies is a derogatory name we use here for the lunatics who stand on our streets calling for people to be beheaded, stoned to death, suicide bombers etc & not for people who integrate & don't impose their views/values on the rest of society. In her case it was all about religion & that religions treatment of women/misogyny.
Obviously that was the issue since that was what was removed from your post. That is a derogatory word used to describe feminists.Using derogatory terms to describe people is not respectful of other members here, especially when a word could have been used that would not insult members here by being called it. Killbillvol69 has already gently mentioned this to you prior to you starting the Prolapse Fetish thread.A thread where I had to remove an insult you made to everybody who likes that particular act. Also, questions about moderation should be done via PM so as not to clutter threads with it.
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