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| Reason Member 135 Posts 1/00 |  Posted - Jul 1 2001 : 4:12AMI read a post on RAME about the technique Private director Pierre Woodman has used to get girls from Eastern European countries to work for him: he would hire them ostensibly for a different kind of job, fly them to an exotic location, and then tell them there's no softcore/modelling work, but instead they have to be in this hardcore film, for a substantially higher fee than originally agreed, or else they have to pay their own way back home. The same kind of thing is mentioned in Luke Ford's piece on Woodman. This quote is attributed to Frank Thring: Since there are industry people reading the forum, and there have been many frank discussions about the business, I'd like to know if this is indeed a common practice, and what do you think about it? Also, are the women really naive enough to be deceived by that kind of trick?This is uncomfortably close to a kind of rape. I can believe Woodman doing something like that: I was uncomfortable watching one of his Casting videos, and haven't watched more than one of them for that reason. Here's another quote from Thring: I would think that a numbing cream, whatever it is, is kind of dangerous to use with anal sex. You could get hurt without even noticing it, if there is no pain to warn about it.[Link] |
| Planet Sex Deactivated User 1951 Posts 6/01 | Posted - Jul 1 2001 : 5:03AM [Link] |
| Reason Member 135 Posts 1/00 | Posted - Jul 1 2001 : 5:41AM
If the girl has no moral reservations about doing XXX, why pretend to hire her for something different in the first place? What is your impression of Woodman as a person? From what I have seen, he is somewhat coarse and a born bullshitter. [Link] |
| Planet Sex Deactivated User 1951 Posts 6/01 | Posted - Jul 1 2001 : 5:58AM About the events, here how it goes: Girl is hired to do job A. Edited by - Planet Sex on Jul 1 2001 [Link] |
| ultradamno Senior Member Silencio... 12877 Posts 2/00 | Posted - Jul 1 2001 : 8:08AM [Link] |
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| Planet Sex Deactivated User 1951 Posts 6/01 | Posted - Jul 1 2001 : 8:20AM And the security guys were so stunned that I just walked out unharmed from the "scene of the crime". ................................ [Link] |
| Reason Member 135 Posts 1/00 | Posted - Jul 1 2001 : 6:35PM Even in your version she is lied to, though. What I wanted to know if this is the normal way these Private chicks get into the business - as naive country girls who get tricked by the big bad pornographer, or are they actually more streetwise. Then again, I never have liked Woodman's videos, the big Private productions everyone else seems to love. They are too ostentatious, for one thing, like he wants desperately to prove something - to equate class with vulgar displays of wealth. And the plots tend to repeat the same mythology of women as playthings for men of wealth/power. Planet, did he talk about the ancient secret Chinese anal technique he learned from his grandfather, when you interviewed him? The one which guarantees any woman he sticks his fingers into the orgasm of her life? [Link] |
| Planet Sex Deactivated User 1951 Posts 6/01 | Posted - Jul 1 2001 : 6:47PM But I wouldn't try a stunt like that with, say, Jean Claude Van Dammit (who's also a gnome) or some guy from WWF. Yes, they are lied. But I don't believe for a single minute that they're "naive". In fact, I guess that in those countries girls are more liberal when it comes to sex.Do you know the dutch Seventeen series, with blatantly underaged girls? Their MOTHERS bring em to the filming, so there. He tried to explain. Very vague. But then I tried it with some girls. Sometimes it worked, sometimes not. But the "orgasms of their lives" part is questionable. ................................ [Link] |
| Saki At-Large 2086 Posts 11/99 | Posted - Jul 2 2001 : 1:22AM He starts by showing them a copy of Private magazine. "What do you think of that?" Then it's "Would you be willing to do those things?" "What about anal?" "With more than one guy?" When they are unsure or say they have a boyfriend, he applies the pressure like a used car salesman until they say yes. I think it's pretty perverse to show an interview with a girl swearing they won't have sex with a guy because they are in a relationship, and then the next minute, it's Pierre who's fucking her on camera on the same bed she was sitting on when she made the oath. Or Nikki Anderson saying that she's a virgin, and of course, he's the one who rescues her from that and makes her a star. I wouldn't go as far as saying that it's rape, but to say that all the girls go into it willingly is probably not accurate. After all, the money that is offered is substantial in Eastern European terms, and you rarely see the same girls beyond the few videos that are shot at the same time. And I'm sure there's a lot of "don't worry, no one will ever know" talk going on when the camera isn't rolling. - Saki [Link] |
| Speelie Senior Member Fort Collins, CO 1191 Posts 5/01 | Posted - Jul 2 2001 : 1:12PM I have watched a few of Woodman's casting, and seen some more in the Superfuckers series. The only interesting aspects are 1)seeing some starlets in a more "natural" setting and 2) I personally enjoy seeing who can speak which languages. I found it really erotic to learn that Demia Moore (a favorite from a few years ago) spoke much better English than Woodman. It was also interesting to learn that My Lee from Sex Therapy 2 was Swedish, since she grew up there after her parents left Hong Kong. [Link] |
| Reason Member 135 Posts 1/00 | Posted - Jul 2 2001 : 2:03PM At the other extreme, as I recall, in the same video there was also Valy Verdy, who was pretty much matter of fact and cheerful about it all. But she is French, I believe, and was not exactly a spring chicken at the time. I have read that there is a "deflowering" in just about every Woodman Casting video. That may be the attraction for some segment of porn renters, and Private and Woodman may cater to them by exaggerating the exploitation angle. I don't think the sexual mores in the countries Woodman scoured for talent (Russia, Latvia, Hungary,...) are exactly liberal. The main attraction for the women would be the chance to make big money, when the folks back home will not know about the shameful aspects of the work. (On the other hand, Vivienne Clash, who seemed kind of unhappy - and claimed being interested only in the money -when interviewed by an independent documentary crew on a Woodman set, seems to have been fairly active for a couple of years after that, according to IAFD) Seventeen is another matter, and they use material from different sources. Luke Ford seems to have some random stuff on them as well. (Unfortunately there seems to be no other independent on-line source on the porn business.) In Netherlands or Germany, people probably have different motives than in Russia or other countries fighting their way out of economic collapse.
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