Is there some sort of fetish out there for porn actors to be pissed off while they are boning a hot porn actress? If there is then I really dont get it... When I watch a porn with a guy scowling and cussing, while he’s banging a hot porn actress all I can think is, “Hey Dude, chill the fuck out.” I’m not talking about slapping her ass and pulling her hair - that’s just good clean fun. I’m talking about this general sense of rage that some of these guys have while they are plowing a beautiful woman, who is acting like she is recieving the best fucking she has ever had. Who are they so mad at? I’m pretty sure that in this specific situation a “thank you", or a big smile would be the appropriate response. Maybe it’s just me, but I am usually pretty fucking happy when I’m putiing by hard dick in a hot girl, or even a not so hot girl. I can’t imagine being angry while my dick is in a woman. Even if the sex was bad I wouldn’t be as pissed off as these dorks. Why are these numb nuts so full of anger? They’re getting paid to fuck a girl. They should be grinning ear to ear everyday, all day. I understand the frustration of doing the same job, with the same duties everyday. But it’s not like they work at Best Buy, or Home Depot – then I could see the need to be generally pissed off at the world. When your monthly paycheck says, “Payment for boning hot chick and cumming on her face ”, you should ease up on the anger. I'm just saying... (and - its been said a 1000 times on this forum - but stop with the facials to end every scene. I hate watching any scene that ends with a guy jacking off. Period.)
I don't like those kind of scenes either. It's degrading to the women. I guess it's an ego thing. I can't watch porn with guys with an enormous ego like Rocco Sifreddi; it makes me feel sorry for the girls. I only really get into it when the girl is really into it. About "I understand the frustration of doing the same job"... they are actors aren't they? If they have a bad day, they just act that they don't! Agree 100% with the jacking off facials by the way. It's just wrong.
Have you seen that movie 'Boogie Nights' where Dirk Diggler in the end becomes an ego-maniac ass? I think some actors eventually really become like that. This is somewhat understandable: your ego gets a boosts because you are allowed to fuck beautiful women all day long. But obviously it's also very wrong. Porn is about the women. The men are just a by-product to make it work. Male actors should be humble. That doesn't mean they shouldn't fuck the living shit out of those women. But I think I speak for almost everyone when I say that porn watchers want to see the girls have a good time and not be degraded.
Masochism... Anyone who decides to become a pornstar learns to check their conscience at the doorway, so they can justify anything they are doing on film for others to see or even just cope with. For men it's easier because they're the ones in porn who do most of the controlling and degrading in porn (and in society in general). This is why rape occurs... It's not just because the men want have sex, but they want to empower themselves by doing whatever they feel like to a women and taking something away from them, too. They have unresolved issues with others and their own hang ups that drive them to express their anger through sex. Sex in general is a release and this allows them to display how they are feeling on the inside. I have to admit that I like seeing passionate, somewhat extreme sex, but when a guy is too rough and displays extremely negative mannerisms and speaking it starts to bother me because all he's doing is then taking me out of the make believe setting I'm watching and making me think about his own troubles and unhealthy sadness... I don't care WHO you are, everyone deserves just a LITTLE respect and awareness of their own thoughts and feelings, but again when you're checking your conscience at the door and becoming physically intimate with complete strangers this is aost impossible to do...
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Posted - Jul 28 2010 : 6:59PM
I dont think they are being serious, If so Nick Manning is the biggest asshole walking the planet lol. So let me get this straight, Ron Jeremy is not a pornstar? Crimson Rain...What A Sight Edited by - THICK_LOVA54 on 7/28/2010 7:01:18 PM
So let me get this straight, Ron Jeremy is not a pornstar? I would say he is a porn star simply because he is the most well know male performer ever. I can't say many Male performers are "Stars" because nobody outside of heavy porn consumers know who they are by name. Edited by - celluloidferox on 7/28/2010 7:10:49 PM
But that is true of a lot of the girls too. While almost everyone knows the name Jenna Jameson, far fewer know of Jill Kelly or Asia Carrera, or on the male tip Peter North or Rocco Sifreddi. Are they not pornstars? Few of my friends would know who Manuel Ferrera or James Deen are, But being AVN's male performer of the year definitely qualifies you as a "pornstar".
Expect porn to attract some assholes. Another factor is income. They may be afraid of being perceived as boring fucks and losing work. There is a market for misogynist angry porn.
He's a very well known porn actor yes. But it's not like I'm looking at a DVD, see that Ron Jeremy is in it and go: "WOW! I MUST CHECK THAT ONE OUT! JON JEREMY IS SO HOT!!". We watch porn because of the chicks. Period.
Well, are they angry or just really into the fucking? I mean, if I'm fucking a girl, I'm not gonna be all smiles. Maybe at the beginning during the BJ. But during the fucking, I probably have a "focused" look to my face. And the cussing, well, some porn guys are just like that. But I think they are just cussing, and not necessarily cussing at the girl. Maybe I need an example of what you're talking about, because I could be wrong...
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Posted - Jul 29 2010 : 10:36PM
Ok but they can sway your decision, when I see two vids with the same female stars, one has some dudes I dont know and the other Jack Napier, I pick up Jacks because I know Jack is going to perform. Crimson Rain...What A Sight
To the OP: I have absolutly no idea of what you are talking about. If you would give some specific examples.... Your assumption about male stars being/looking 'pissed off' is purely subjective I would think. From what you see as pissed off, someone else may deem as simple erotic behavior.
Many years ago, back in the day of John Holmes it was all about the male stars. The females were just fluff and an afterthought. Then they found that men can become uncontrollable ego maniacs and just not worth dealing with so the studios got smart and started making the STARS the females. This started around the time of Ginger Lynn. The studios seemed to go out of their way to push men down and keep them out of the limelight. In time Ron Jeremy became well known just by the sheer numbers of the projects he has been in, especially around colleges. He was "the man". But during his time he wasn't well paid. He wasn't well promoted. He wasn't even really all that recognizable. Now he spends every moment of every day making a name for himself. He has made himself a star in his own right. But he's still not really a "porn" star. He's really more a real mainstream celebrity than a porn one. Think about it. Do you know Ron Jeremy from watching him in porn or from his legend? Anywho, as far as modern day men go being dicks. You are right. So many of them really are. They seem to be really just like bitter and disgruntled toward the female talent. On the set of Hocus Pocus XXX we had a male talent made a inappropriate remark towards of the females about being so stupid she can't find her way to work. Given the girl was over an hour late, but ya his comment wasn't appropriate. It was like there are enough whores around here to suck my cock, let's just grab one and get on with it. I'm like ummm really? Are you kidding me? Ya mark his name off for who I will not be booking in the future. :P You know who else is just way beyond rude? PAUL THOMAS. OMG he is so mean. I mean he doesn't even attempt to try and hide it. He's not just mean, he's down right vicious. Rocco Siffredi, he's another one. The men in this business need to learn, it doesn't matter how stupid or annoying the female talent is, without them they wouldn't have jobs. It is the female talent that sales a movie, period. Nobody gives two shits if we cast any male in a movie - it's all about the female talent.
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Posted - Jul 30 2010 : 10:07AM
I am in no way saying it is ok to degrade woman, I dont know how this thread even made this turn. Let me say this not everyone wants to watch lebian porn all the time. Let me ask you guys this, do you think if the porn industry only made lesbian content it could stay relevant? Crimson Rain...What A Sight
I don't think anyone would say men aren't needed or of use in porn, they just aren't the stars and which man is picked to be in a movie isn't really as relevant as which female is picked.
This is very true. However, as far as careers go, this pretty much evens out in the end, no? Simply because "Stunt Cocks" can maintain much more longevity than "Stars". Let's be honest. Once a Star gets to be too old, they are no longer in demand. Whereas the Stunt Cocks can continue on. I'm not saying older Stars can't continue to work, but as one poster pointed out..."We watch porn because of the chicks!..." It's pretty much a forgone conclusion that a 50 year old Sean Michaels or Ron Jeremy are going to get more work than a 50 year old Ginger Lynn or Amber Lynn. Edited by - ilvbutt on 7/30/2010 9:12:07 PM
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Posted - Jul 31 2010 : 2:42AM
^ When I hear comments like this, I make a decision to avoid purchasing anything they (the mean director or mean actor) have acted or produced. The same goes for any retired female porn actress who knocks the adult biz after she has left. It's not just a pretty face or a great performance that guides my purchasing or rental decisions. Thank you, Kelli.
In what respect? The sex acts that he has the performers partake in are relatively vanilla--nothing really extreme. Do you mean simply in terms of the shit he says on set?
Absolute truth. The only reason I would really care if a given male performer were to be cast in a scene would be if it were someone whom I couldn't stand. A given male performer is essentially never a reason for me to buy a movie.
ThickColla....in other words one has to pay for it, but isn't it the sex that one doesn't pay for immediately end up being the even costlier.
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Posted - Jul 31 2010 : 5:21PM
I think men such as Manuel Ferrara, Mr. Marcus,and Evan Stone probably have earned the tittle of "porn star". They seem to have a following. Obviously they are not promoted like the ladies.
Ron Jeremy, in a television interview, referred to all male talent as "props". I would agreed. My purchasing is based 99.99% on the females. Will occasionally not buy a dvd if it has male talent that is bad. Only guy I've seen in a video that really went nuts on a girl was Jay Ashley in an old "Kelly the Coed" film. Scene was done in what looked like a frat house with a live audience.
I might be more likely to watch a video if it has Dane Cross, compared to many other men that might be listed on the cover. His choice of facial hair and glasse might look silly, but he does not dwarf women with freakazoid muscles or a giant hairy belly.
You are right when it comes to sales. The hotter the girls on the cover, the better it's going to sell. When it comes to production the guys are more important to me. There are so many hot girls willing to do porn. They come and go. But the best looking girl is boring to watch when she doesn't get fucked properly and there are only few guys I like to work with. So when I shoot a movie I first book the guys and than match them up with a hot girl. Steve Holmes
^ that sure sounds logical....sexy girls need to be fucked properly to make it seem realistic and hot. still the girls do have to be sexy and keep me interested to pick up the title...if its a girl i like ...i have rarely not liked the movie too !!
I want to state that it is about the guys in this industry just as much as the girls!! The old boys club is in Full Effect!! If the guys like working with a girl, then he tells the other guys and we All know thought there are the Staples in the Industry that you enjoy watching... at times the new girl is what you start to crave! The guys also have a WAY harder job than the girls... they have to keep their cocks hard and cum on command for the most part! So if after years and years a guy likes to play a little rougher... I say he's earned it!! I like it!! But the guys I work with are the Professionals in this Industry!
Agreed with Steve. I'm sorry but I happen to give two shits if you cast ANY male in a movie, and I think you should too. It's funny because you mention your dislike for Rocco, then make a comment like this. Wouldn't having Rocco NOT be in your movie cause you to give two shits? Believe it or not, the first thing I look for in a movie is the studio, genre and the director. I don't follow porn stars around regardless of who they fuck or what type of film their making. In an industry dedicated to sex, I find it ridiculous to be having discussions about which sex is more important. You need a guy and a girl to fuck. You need chemistry BETWEEN them to have a great fuck. Every one wins. End of story.
I dunno what "looking pissed off" really means but as for guys being really rude and abusive with the girls I do not like.. The girls should look like they actually wanna be there. There are some exceptions where it is obviously put on like some Brazzers Punishment scenes.
My original post was somewhat tongue in cheek, but here's the deal..... I guess for me, in part, being angry is crossing the "objectification line". Porn, for young men in particular is about objectification, but alas age cures you of that shortcoming if you have 1/2 a brain. As you grow older, you realize the injustice to any woman who is treated as an object (yes , even in porn its wrong). I am much more turned on now if a woman in any scene, seems to have a brain and personality, and coyly wants to have sex (Wifey....). Consequently, the only thing worse in a scene, is panning to a guy fucking a girl doggy, only so you can show him nodding his head while sticking his tongue out and flashing the devil horns while 10 buddies cheer him on. Stop the "college" porn now, please. It sucks, it's stupid, and its all about objectification.
Well some things are clearly for entertainment purposes or even sometimes what the women needs to really get into the scene. Sometimes the "nice" or "dainty" approach just doesn't work for some of the females. I've heard it mentioned enough over the years. I've also seen and heard enough over the years to know that being a male performer simply isn't always easy. Most of the real pressure is on them, both from a performance and production standpoint. Sometimes the directors are jerks, and believe it or not, so are some of the females they have to fuck no matter what. So that anger you see sometimes, may actually be them grinning and bearing it. I think the good more than outweighs the bad, but I've seen some things that certainly would make me think twice about being male talent if I could.
check out Venom 6 http://www.hotmovies.com/video/24687/Venom-6/ the girl in the first 3 scenes (it's actually all the same scene, not sure why they broke it up into 3) has a recurring spat with TT Boy. He keeps wanting to do the rough dominating stuff.. and she's not having it. She stops the scene at least 5 times, all of which is filmed nonstop. She keeps blaming the problems on TT Boy's behavior and that point you can really see in his face that he's totally fed up with her 'bullshit' at what point she stops and says 'this is SEX, not beating people up"
thread is insane. if you look at many of the bts footage you will realize many ofthe guys who act very rough with women during scenes like james deane and manuel are actually very nice guys and get along well with their female costars. hence why they are so popular and keep getting work. finding dick is a dime a dozen as they aren't the stars of porn so if they were abusing these females they would quickly find themselves on all the females "shit list" and wouldn't be able to get steady work. you forget that that just as the female is pretending to enjoy it, the male is pretending as well. it's all ACTING at the end of the day. now mind you, there have been guys like max who treated females poorly but eventually all those who do get run out of business. stop reading so much into how rough scenes are or how "angry" the males are, they aren't just fucking for fucking sake, the are being directed and told to ACT a certain way or give off a certain persona Edited by - DuanCulo on 3/30/2012 12:34:42 PM