I am not sure how much he can teach her, but fact is he did not get in touch with Stella yet. Others on the contrary did, Stella told me this morning. One guy shall have offered her up to 10000$ a week. (?????!!!!) - I shall probabely consider pimping her seriousely in order to get a good deal out of this for both - Stella and me.
Poor Turkey running for her life with Christmas Hat 3713 Posts 9/01
Posted - Oct 12 2003 : 11:10AM
It wasn't me. Swear it wasn't me. I am just a poor guy without too much money on his hands. Maybe Shameless has finally found his niche and golden goose.
Ron
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shameless Deactivated User
Moscow 1313 Posts 1/03
Posted - Oct 12 2003 : 11:13AM
This is a side question I have. Some here seem to use the word synonymus to . I am the latter, but now I used the word myself.
Please somebody help me with my english... Ta!
Ramsey: Speaking about Stella, what seems to be in the can is an US-Model contact for her. She would enter porn definitely, but directly in USA not in Europe.
In my opinion all porn agents are pimps because pimp also means "arrange for sexual partners for others" (see hyperdictionary.com) but then again pornstars can also be called whores according to hyperdictionary.com because whore means "a woman who engages in sexual intercourse for money" which pornstars do.Just make sure she only works for the right directors and right companies like Max Hardcore and Jeff Steward. I also would love to see her make some movies for the boys at JSP and WCP.
Ramsey wrote: I want to see girls having sex with more normal looking guys, for me it's better that way.
Well, no wonder you like Max Hardcore, because he's one ordinary looking guy. Ramsey, if you don't want to look at the guys' faces, then watch Internal Cumbustion 2 from Zero Tolerance. Dumblonde's review here on ADT says they specifically shot it so you can't see the men's faces. I guess there is a fetish for everyone.
Shameless, you should run the following experiment: show Stella a picture of Manuel, then a picture of Max Hardcore. Then let us know which one she would prefer to work with.
One last thing, Ramsey, for native English speakers like myself, there is definately a big difference between the meaning of the words 'pimp' and 'porn talent agent'. You cannot use one when you mean the other. As for the word 'whore', it is true that it means a woman who is paid for sex, but it can be used in a derogatory way towards any woman, not just a prostitute. Actually, calling a woman a whore is about the worst thing you can say to a woman, it's like calling a man a 'faggot' (slang for homosexual).
But there's nothing ordinary about his style and that's what I like the most about him. He deserves a lot of respect for starting the Anal Revolution with The Anal Adventures of Max Hardcore more than 10 years ago!No way, I'm anti-Mark Davis and he's in every ZT movie.I don't care about looks, I care about styles and Max's style is a lot better because you just know you will get more hardcore and extreme porn. I want to see fisting and pissing and choking and puking, not just romantic scene with Manuel. IMO porn is not about romance, it's all about going all the way.Sure you can.
It says "arrange for sexual partners for others" and porn agents do that so I don't see the problem.
But we're not using it in a derogatory way here so I'm not sure what the problem is. I mean I respect them both but pornstars should not freak out if they are called a whore because in a way that term is right.
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Moscow 1313 Posts 1/03
Posted - Oct 12 2003 : 1:37PM
Thanks for clarifying, Renee. I will never call myself a again than. Despite what some people enquiring about <Shameless Kiev> write to me, I also dont arrange for sexual encounter. I arrange a group of actors working together. If they have a sexual encounter while doing so, if they even get sexual gratification from it, even better.
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Not wanting to discuss about <whore> again, just let me say: I will not call any woman a <whore>, unless she really wants me to do so (in role-play normally). I think there are nicer terms for those beautiful girls that sell their body to us consumers on film or in reality.
I will probabely not tell Stella about Manuel Ferrara again, lest show her a picture. Last time she made me touch her wet slit and wanted me to get her off, while hurling her dirty-talk about Manuel fucking her ass into pieces...
Guess what, Ramsey, you are in luck. In dumblonde's review, it shows that Mark Davis is not in the film. Oh, but wait - it does say that Manuel Ferrara is!!! Oh, too bad - but still, how would you ever recognize him, he is only shown from the shoulders down, so you don't have to see his good-looking face.
I still say, let Stella have a say in who she wants to perform with ...
...and to help her to make a decision (im sorry shameless ) here are the following photos:
max hardcore - ...
...and to help her to make a decision (im sorry shameless ) here are the following photos:
max hardcore - ...
...and to help her to make a decision (im sorry shameless ) here are the following photos:
max hardcore - ...
...and to help her to make a decision (i'm sorry shameless ) here are the following photos:
Looks are not important, it's all about making the most hardcore movies and who does it better than Max Hardcore himself?
Shameless should really book her first job with Max, this way all movies after that will be easy for her *LOL*
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Stella Fantasia Deactivated User
Moscow 17 Posts 10/03
Posted - Oct 12 2003 : 10:19PM
Is it this Manuel woman?! She fuck bitch! I fuck better Manuel!
I work full night now. 8 p.m. untill 5 a.m. I have 9 hour and 20 man, but with Manuel I fuck maybe more 2 hours. 2 hours analnoe sex and all...I make dry him like cow!
What is cowboy man. No good. I want work with Manuel and friends. And big money earning.
Stella ,Cowboy man is good ass fucker ,but Manuel will fuck your ass also wide open . Oh no , your ass must be open ,when you fuck every night with 20 guys !
Stella, your English here is perfectly good. Yes, cowboy man is no good, he is the bad Max Hardcore . He has to wear the hat because he has no hair .
I hope you get your wish to work with Manuel .
And Ramsey, I am sure Stella has been with men even more ugly than Max, but not on film , where it will be permanent. For the start of her porn career, she deserves to be with handsome men .
Don't worry about that Stella, work with Max Hardcore and your asshole will never be the same again, and of course I mean that in a good way. I mean lets face it, do we want to see Stella do some romantic scene with Manuel or do we want to see her go all the way with Max Hardcore doing things she has never done before? Max will bring out the best of her and that's something I want to see!It's nice to see you care about the well being of this girl but I don't think she needs that, I mean didn't you read some of the things this girl has already done? She can go all the way right away, no need to break her in slowly.
I tried to look at the English version of Stella's webpage, and couldn't get into it. Could you list for us here what she has done in her escort work, and what she likes to do, if you know?
If she ever is in the same room with Manuel, and there is another woman close by, I think she will get rid of the woman, no sharing Manuel with anyone else.
I have seen some of Manuel's work; some of it is nice and romantic, and some of it gets rough. You can't call everything he does tame.There is plenty of time in the future for her to do that sort of work, if she wants to. You will have to be patient, Ramsey.
nah mate, it's all about whaoever is making it wants it to be.
Whoever's buying it just takes their pick from the choices available. For me it's the opposite of the puking and choking and pissing and fisting, it doesn't do anything for me. I'd much rather see a scene with Manuel than Max, but I'm sure if Stella keeps her head on straight and sticks to porn without doing any unsafe escorting, she'll be able to do both.
Good luck to you both, Stella and Shameless.
cheers,
scipio
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Stella Fantasia Deactivated User
Moscow 17 Posts 10/03
Posted - Oct 14 2003 : 9:20PM
My ass perfect. Perfect for analnoe sex. I not allways 20 boys all night, sometimes I 50, 60, 70... I fuck good. Moscow boys want me much.
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Stella Fantasia Deactivated User
Moscow 17 Posts 10/03
Posted - Oct 14 2003 : 9:26PM
Renee, I will have own homepage soon. Shameless will make next interview with me. You read all init. Only I want tell about Manuel: I dont like his wife in foto! I much more beautiful, I think. And better fuck.
Renee, you girl like me, yes? You american porn star girl? You like work with Manuel?
this i exceedingly disturbing i watch porn to see porn porn performers not a hard up lass who has has fallen on hard times althouggh i believe its naive that these people exist i find it dificult to equate prostitution with porn at least the porn i watch and try to make sure its from main stream studios i'm buying from not dodgy stuff, the phrase i wanna earn this girl a lot of money from porn rings hollow and sounds like i could earn a a lot of money from this girl in porn, i hope i'm mistaken but believe i'm not
Stella, there's no need to stress or be jealous. The girl with Manuel in the photo is not his wife, she is a porn star from Hungary called Michelle Wild.
Also to the best of my (limited) knowledge she and Manuel have only worked one time together, in Euro Girls Never Say No (with Steve Holmes as well). The photo was probably taken while they were making that movie.
cheers,
scipio
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shameless Deactivated User
Moscow 1313 Posts 1/03
Posted - Oct 15 2003 : 4:57AM
French tickler, also some of your so much adored DVSX-girls do escorting. I am sure! While I agree that Stella sounds too rough and hardend sometimes, apart from her language I will not ask her to fuel naive porn consumers dreams about porn girls performing those porn acts only for pleasure, not money. And yes: I think any Agent dealing with such a girl like Stella is entiteled to earn some money with her. Being an agent is not only sitting there and watching money grow, you know. Disclaimer: Stella is not (yet?) a <Shameless Kiev>-girl.
Doing porn will only help Stella's situation so I'm not sure what the problem is. I like the idea of more escorts doing porn because they already know the tricks of the trade.
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shameless Deactivated User
Moscow 1313 Posts 1/03
Posted - Oct 15 2003 : 6:30AM
I think the problem is Ramsey, that some porn fans, hail porn actresses, but despise escort girls. Escort is <dirty> sex for them, porn is <clean>. I think these fans have never ever met an escort girl in their live. They want <their girls> nice, docile, smiling and nodding all the time.
I really like Stella the way she is. A wild, strong, free, independant women not ashamed of her animalistic lust.
It's all about having sex for money. Is there really a difference between doing it infront of the camera or not? I think both jobs are cool, there's nothing wrong with being a pornstar or an escort.
You're trying to do a great job shameless, I hope you will have a lot of luck and more girls from Russia will enter the business doing the most hardcore things for our pleasure ;-)
Stella, I am female, but it is a long time since I was a girl. I just like to watch porn, I haven't worked as a porn star girl. I am just happy to fantasize about someone like Manuel.
P.S. I told this to Shameless on another thread, that I have a special affection for Russian people. 3 of my grandparents were born in Lithuania, and my great-grandfather served in the Russian Army in Tsarist times.
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Moscow 1313 Posts 1/03
Posted - Oct 15 2003 : 7:57PM
Shortened and reposted on Stellas request by Shameless.
Edited by - Shameless on 10/17/2003 2:10:00 PM
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shameless Deactivated User
Moscow 1313 Posts 1/03
Posted - Oct 16 2003 : 6:16AM
I agree and do not agree at the same time, Ramsey. I dont know wheter this job is really cool, but surely there is nothing wrong with it. I for myself would never want to become a porn actor. It's just too much fuss during sex. Also, as a producers I will pay the girls for stageing/acting a sex act; as a escort-girl booker I do pay them to give me a good time.
But of course it would be better to ask Stella about it, or better yet a true porn star that is escorting at the same time.
Thanks for keeping your fingers crossed for us, Ramsey.
When you fuck 50 ,60 ,70 guys in a night (all anal),than is your asshole no more perfect, it is shredded ! When you fuck so much ,you need not to do porn movies ,because you must earn more money as an escort girl !
Come one Gapelover, don't discourage her like that. The industry need more girls like Stella. I bet this girl can become another anal queen if she plays her card right.
Shameless. Try to get in contact with Nevaquit, I mean I would kill to see Stella in a Black Pipe Layers movie ;-)
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shameless Deactivated User
Moscow 1313 Posts 1/03
Posted - Oct 16 2003 : 3:12PM
You probabely didnt read Stellas second interview yet, Gapelover. IMO, she quite good explains why she gets such high numbers. It all comes by doing huge gangbangs. Now a huge gangbang as an escort girl in Moscow is not payed like one as a porn girl for Anabolic in the USA! I dont know the prices myself, but it might be 5-6000 Rubles (about 200$) or so, maximum 10000 Rubles, but certainly not more. And now please have a look at our pricelist and count yourself...
Besides, Gapelover, in that interview I asked Stella again, especially for you, about her Russian amateur video... so please halt in a while and read.
This is Q: Stella, you have never starred in Western porn, yet there is a heated discussion about you with nearly 1500 visitors already going on in Americian porn forum ADT. What are your feelings about it? Stella: It’s great! I am very surprised. These people don’t know me, yet they write about me all the time. It’s wonderful!
Q: How do you explain this big interrest? Stella: I think West porn fan wants meet new girls in films. Russian girl is exotic. Exotic things are interesting. I also think, people are interested because I am very open with them.
Q: You started to discuss with them yourself. Why? Stella: Because I know best.
Q: And you think they understand you? (...)
Q: Tell me about your feelings: Do you think ADT-readers understand your feelings at your current job? When you write you fucked 20 men last night for instance. Stella: It’s difficult to understand, if you don’t work like this. Most readers don’t work like this. Some think bad about escort girl. It makes me angry. But I will be open about my work wheter they like it or not!
Q: Tell me a bit more about your escort work! Stella: You know it all, Shameless. You booked me many times. You know how it works!
Q: Yes, Stella, but people at ADT want to know. Renee asked me about your escort acts. Stella: I do it all! I sell what customers want! When I started, anal was very big. I made lots of money doing anal. Now it’s orgies. I don’t like to work with other girls. I specialized in gangbangs. It is payed really good.
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Q: I know… Will you work with Max Hardcore, if he books you? Stella: You mean cowboy man? Yes! Why not?
Q: Many people say he treats his girls bad when filming… Stella: I don’t know what others say. I will try with him if he wants. If he treats me bad, I bite in his dick!
Q: So shall I write him telling him to come here to film you? Stella: Why not… But first please write Manuel Ferrara!
Q: He already wrote you yourself… Stella: Yes he did! I love to work with him! He looks so good! He has such big big dick!
Q: So did you write him? (...) Q: You have worked with Russian porn actors already. How was it? Stella: Bad. Shit is was. It was with two boys for very small money. And they were without wood all the time.
Q: So how did they fuck you then? Stella: They only used fist. They were not able to use dick! Only fist and dildos.
Q: You did not like it? Stella: No!
Q: Do you have this videos? Stella: No! I don’t care! It was shit work, shit pay, shit limb dicks. I want to forget about and do real porn in West now!
Q: You will work in Moscow, too. We plan our own line produced in Russia for you… Stella: I know. It is my idea. You are very kind with me, Shameless. But I will fuck there only, if West actors fuck me. I will not work with limb Russians! When will we start with these films?
Q: Soon, Stella. Next Year. But you mustn’t fuck without condom until than… Stella: Shut up! I know best about my body! I work as escort five years now! I fuck more than 8000 boys. I know my business!
Q: But this is porn, Stella… Stella: I will fuck 8000 porn actors as well. I will fuck Manuel and his crew and all black actors around the world and all my fans for money. I will earn lots of money. Yes lots!
Q: Calm down Stella, please! To read on jump here!
Shortened by Shameless on Stellas request. The whole text you can find on Stellas up-mentioned website.
Edited by - Shameless on 10/17/2003 2:12:54 PM
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Stella Fantasia Deactivated User
Moscow 17 Posts 10/03
Posted - Oct 18 2003 : 4:40AM
Hello,
Shameless travel in Kiev. I stay his house. I not working so much now. I prepare for porn star work. Shameless very many porn film I want watch.
And I want speak with you fans here. I want tell. Very important! Manuel Ferrara write me back! Manuel working in USA but back he want to fuck me!!! He back in December.
Kisses, Stella
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Stella Fantasia Deactivated User
Moscow 17 Posts 10/03
Posted - Nov 8 2003 : 3:05PM
Shameless still away! Fuck around in Kiev me thinks. He fucks 100 girls or more...!
Yesterday I fuck 125 boys at 1 time an place. I did because Shameless not call. And was good money. But I had fuck without preservative. Client want this. Want me to fuck all ship army man and all officer with no preservative. He pay so good!
Maybe if Shameless here I dont do it. But I need fuck! I need money! I pray that no problem with health. That is all.
When Shameless back from Kiev, I will be porn girl. I will fuck porn boys only. No ship officer more. No no!
Holy cow! Well, Stella, if you're gonna do that, get to Los Angeles fast and you can make a lot more money. Anyway, that is very risky behavior -- it's much safer being a porn star! Maybe you should email some of the US studios and get them to do an emergency "airlift" so you can come to America and begin your career.
Dear skronker, How I can go to Los Angeles? I want go there! I want be porn star in USA! I want do many gangbang. I so much need dick, so much need fuck hard. 1 dick not much for me, 2 not much, 3 not much, 4 not much, 5 not much, 6 not much, 7 not much - I need lot of dick. Big hard cock!
How much $$$ is gangbang in Los Angeles? How I write US studio? Who give me work like porn star?
Shameless will be very angry with you when he come back from Kiev because you must do a new HIV test again .
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Stella Fantasia Deactivated User
Moscow 17 Posts 10/03
Posted - Nov 9 2003 : 6:18AM
I know I need new test. But I need sex too! I want earn money not only sit at Shameless house watch porn films. And films make me horny. I did gangbang - that is why. And client pay so much more if I fuck with no demanding preservative. Double price with no preservative this time was.
I will say Shameless about. But he is not here. He missing!
Please import me to USA and give me work as porn star! Please do it! I will do it all...!
Introducing Dallas Rea
Posted - Oct 12 2003 : 8:51AM
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