Well I met this girl last night, downtown Moscow in a foreigner frequented bar. I invested some drinks on her, drove her around town, but when I wanted to cash-in on my investment she asked a steep fee aditionally. She was a profesional sex worker from Ukraine, it turned out. A nice, tall brunette with protruding tits.
I dont mind escorts, but I was on the cheap-mood yesterday. Well, we could not reach an agreement, but I took down her mobile number. Driving home, I picked up a street-walker. Got my way with her for less than 15$ in my car. Some fierce basic fucking, but I pulled out and sprayed her chest and face, something I dont usually do, but rather watch on dvd. I asked her to give me some post-cum head, pulled out when ready again and cummed on her forhead, eyes and hair again. A nice cheap relieve, but influenced a lot by my recent porn consume.
I spend about 1500 $ on escorts and porn per month, quite much, especially in this country, but this gives me the sexualy freedom I want. I was married some time ago and it turned out too much hassle. I pay usually for sex now, but I get exactly what I want. And I like that feeling to be able to buy about every women I fancy to have sex with. Its a life-style question, I think. And I am happy with my shameless life-style for over 2 years now. I just observe that porn influences my way to fuck more and more, and I think this could be a place to discuss how that is for others.
For example I just watched an old film (USA, mid 90ties, brunette US-actress - name?) with a nice, intense power-anal on a barstool ending in her beside the bar and getting cummed over her feet in black plateau heels. A very hot scene !!!, that just made me call that Ukrainian escort from that bar last night...I want to stage that with her!
Do you have similar encounters? Do you enact your porn-driven fanatsies with escorts? Or at least consider to do so?
You already know I don't use escorts, and I don't think you'll get many responses from people saying they do if the other threads are anything to go by.
Just out of interest are you talking about US dollars? If so I'd consider that a huge amount to spend on porn & escorts per month!!!
No, I don't use escorts, nor do I intend to ever do so. You may think that's hypocritical in someone who watches porn, but there it is. As for having porn-driven fantasies, no, I don't. My sexual compass was set before I started watching porn and it hasn't deviated. Besides, porn is fantasy for me, sex is, or at least was, a reality which requires that you be in the moment, not trying to act out something you saw in the movies. (Geez, that syntax is a mess Hardware. Oh well).
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Posted - Jun 1 2003 : 9:03PM
I don't use escorts (or do escorting), but porn watching does influence fantasies for me and John. We have a pretty broad reportoire to begin with, but sometimes we'll see something we don't do much, or see it done differently, and we'll goof around with it.
Shameless, I certainly dont mean any offense to you. But after reading your many posts on this topic for some time now I get the impression that you either:
A) Make some of this stuff up, because a lot of it sounds pretty far fetched.
or
B) If it's all true, you have some serious psycho-sexual problems.
Either way, you need help man.
By the way, what sort of job does a Russian have that can afford that sort of money every month and still be able to live? Considering everyone else in Russia is supposedly so poor.
I don't use esorts - or even believe in them, personally. Even if I weren't married, I would prefer a longer term emotional commitment with sex as just part of the relationship. Nor do I have any "porn-driven fantasies" in any real way at all. There isn't anything I've done that's been inspired by anything I've seen. (Nor anything that I'd like to do that I haven't already thought of prior to seeing it on the screen.) While seeing it may increase my immediate desire, it doesn't change the general roadmap, as it were. I've got more ideas in terms of fantasies from mainstream fiction and real-life stories, than from just staged sex - which I find to be mostly unimaginative (and neither unemotionally nor intellectually engaging) anyway.
1) I think this would be a good place to try to be as non-judgmental as possible about psycho-sexual issues. And I think these topics fall within reasonable limits.
2) You might not get a lot of good responses from those of us in the U.S., shameless. The escort pricing around here is a LOT different from what you're used to. It's hard to be a habitual consumer when the rates are in the $300-$500 range, as they are in my town. Per hour.
3) I haven't taken any fantasies worth trying to re-enact from porn. I tend to go the other way... I try to seek out porn that fits fantasies I already have.
4) As people have remarked, you seem pretty well-to-do, shameless. A pretty fair number of porn stars escort on the side. Have you ever thought about indulging yourself that way? The prices are high, but it seems like the kind of thing you'd enjoy.
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Posted - Jun 2 2003 : 3:41AM
Good to see you back here, Shawny.
Well, if I ment Rubles, I would have less than 50$ at my monthly disposal. That would make about 2 streetwalkers, 1 anal - 1 not. And no single porn dvd ordered from abroad . (As you asked before already: My 1500 $ per month do include all commercial sex; which for me is porn films, pay-sites AND escorts. A huge amount of $$$ goes into dvds - I dont get a supposedly-poor-Russian-discount from the places I order.)
To Poker, too: Now, I am not poor. I never claimed that. I inherited a building company from my father; my brother does the main work, I work mainly as a tranlater. But I never lost touch with Russian reality. And that for many people is a fight for survival. I tried to explain in many posts (mainly answering questions from people thinking I was morally lower than them, I suppose) why a lot of more well-off young people in Moscow have that <shameless lifestyle>. It is based on years of repression in USSR, the fact that we have seen that EVERYTHING can be bought for money, lost ideals. Its maybe Russian 1968 now. I dont know. I just know, that maybe I have a psycho-sexual problem (of course you know!), BUT I feel good about buying sex at the moment. I am not ashamed, I am free. I dont want more! (About true love and mariage I start thinking when I am 30 or so)
Edited by - Shameless on 6/2/2003 3:47:00 AM
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Posted - Jun 2 2003 : 3:58AM
Just wanted to add that porn has a great positive influence on my sex life. Always had - picking up girls as a teenager, when I was maried, now as an escort girl-consumer. It spices life so much up, I cannot be grateful enough to all those great porn companies. You do a great job !
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Posted - Jun 3 2003 : 9:45AM
Thanks a lot for your supportive words, ObiBong! In times when way too many members are trying to <fix my head> or sell me their morals bread by guilt culture, yours is a nice voice in the dark.
Now, of course I already thought about booking escorting porn girls in order to try them out one to one. Problem, however, is that there are no porn stars escorting in Russia. And I have to stay here (and work) most of the time. I tried to book a porn girl on my trip to Budapest 2 months ago, but was not lucky. But I am happy to know it is is possible and to have established some important contacts.
I can pay for a Budapest porn escort, sure. I would like to try out a Russian or Ukrainian porn girl for sure. And I will just be happy to pay her up to 10 times more than she would get for the same service in Moscow (without her porn star status that is). I would really like to gratificate her that way for her succesful step into porn. I also find it very intriguing to fuck Wanda Curtis; but 1500 $ is a truely steep sum and I would also need an expensive flight ticket. Plus, I am afraid, she wont let me fuck her ass... Well, for the moment I plan my next Budapest trip and keep my dick happy picking up a lot of differnt Moscow streetwalkers. Its quite exciting fun at the moment!
In defense of shameless, I'd like to start out by saying that he is a single man and not in a committed relationship with anyone, which in my opinion puts him on a better field than the numerous married men who use escorts, for whatever issues they may be having in their relationship. Second, I don't see how using escorts is really any worse than going to bars or clubs to pick up women. They both have the same objective: to get laid. Is going to a bar and putting on an insincere front and using sleazy lines really any nobler than paying a woman for sex? Even in dating, when the guy spends all this money buying gifts and nice dinners in an effort to get her to put out, the end objective is all the same. I think the main reason males shun away from escorts is because of ego, I mean the thought of not being able to get a woman with "what you've got" can be devastating to a guy's ego, right? I also think the male ego is one of the biggest factors contributing to the world's biggest problems. And who's to say that shameless won't be able to get into a committed relationship again with someone he falls in love with. If anything, I think he's doing something healthy for his outgoing libido.
As far as I'm concerned, you have that backwards assluvr69. I take a woman to dinner for companionship and conversation. I give her gifts as a token of affection and because I like to see her happy. What you are suggesting is a simple barter system - goods for sex. If I wanted to conduct a business transaction I'd follow shameless' example. Since I hope to get something more than an orgasm out of a relationship, I don't.
Escorts are not for everyone. But there's obviously plenty of demand, as prostitution is the world's oldest profession.
If you want a real relationship then don't bother booking an escort. If you want sex, then pick up the phone.
Despite people's opinion on the morals of prositution, every (male) member on here must have at least fantasised about fucking his favourite porn star. Personally, I have brushed aside my morals and fulfilled my fantasy.
This hasn't seemed like a moral argument to me. Shameless has repeatedly and fairly universally recommended hiring prostitutes for almost any situation and question.
The question was:
Some people don't. It doesn't appeal to everyone.
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Posted - Jun 3 2003 : 5:36PM
Wise words, Sir! Renting/buying porn is some sort of bying sex, IMHO. However committed one may be in his long-lasting relationship (which I dont want at the moment, I want just sex!), lusting after a porn star is just the first step. I have never said prostitutes are the right thing for everybody, but I would like some people to think twice if they are not a bit hypocritical sometimes.
I think there was a misunderstanding here. The main point I was trying to make wasn't to compare using escorts to actual relationships. My main point was that paying someone for sex didn't make you any more of a "loser" than trying to pick up a girl for a one night stand from a club or bar, as mainstream society would have us believe.
Do I enact porn-driven fantasies with escorts? No.
Would I consider doing so? Again, no.
I've satisfied most of my fantasies - not that I wouldn't like to relive a few, however impractical that might be - and I've done so without hiring escorts. But then, in the gay world, fantasies and sex often go hand in hand.
And, unfortunately, I do not have the financial resources to hire escorts. Had I the budget for such undercover R&R activities as does shameless I might consider indulging my dialing finger once in a while: there are certainly a few porn stars on my potential harem list who are available for hire if the price is right. But it is the actor/character whom I desire, not the chance to replicate any particular sex act.
As it is, my harem is most likely doomed to remain unpopulated - a fantasy too exorbitant for more than my imagination.
As I said many times for me its a pure question of mood wheter I pick up a girl at the bar or buy her service at the street corner. Streetwalkers are kind of score, too. More than escorts at least. You never know what you get. And wheter I pay her drinks at the bar or give her the money straight for fucking is not that big a difference.
About lieing I am not bothered; me, I know best how much I enjoyed it.
She performed better than any movie I seen her in. Seeing her again Monday before I leave London. Any questions on the London scene dont be affraid to ask, its the best in the world :)
Caprice has done a few porn movies, but now keeps her performances strictly private. She's very good, one London's favourite.
Look under Vanessa Freeman.
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Posted - Jul 21 2003 : 10:09AM
Thank you Sanchez_1960!!! Thank you for openly stating that you book escorts, too, here!
Fine for you to live in a place where you can book porn-girls that easily. I am very jealous to tell you the least. (Although they charge quite some amount over there - I can fuck about 10 Moscow top escort girls an hour long for Caprices hour-charge).
I did not post so much about porn and escorts anymore. Just did not want to incite even more John-bashing here. But actually I think we have to talk about it - I just got hinted in a private post that far more ADT-posters use escorts than one would think. Why we all talk about our daily dose of gagging or A2M, but not escorts, I dont understand...
I don't recall anybody doing this. I think people have mentioned their own personal preference against this - but nobody that I know of has said anything against anybody who feels differently. To each their own.
I'm not sure what I feel about useing an escort. I no that if you're in a relationship with someone then it is wrong, but how wrong is porn? Where do we draw the moral law between fantasy and reality. When someone cheats on their lover it is generally considered to be a bad deed but watching porn is just another way of cheating, just on a different level. As to a persons right to sell their body, or buy someone else's, I think this is another thing the government should have no say in, except in a regulatory way. We see women selling themselves every day on national television on "reality shows" where they'll do anything to get that dollar. People in this country preach that prostitution is wrong, then spend three hours in front of their tube and watch it happen in front of them. Back to the topic at hand, I don't think it would be very sexy to pick up an escort. At least when you meet someone, even at a meat market bar, you know that person is genuinely attracted to you, and not just after your money. Because if a girl is only looking for you to buy her a few drinks, she'll drink them and then go find someone else to leave with. (This happened to one of my less fortunate friends and we had to explain that you don't buy someone a drink until they are invested in a conversation with you.) The important thing is that the woman wants you, not your cash. The flip side of this is that when you buy the sex, you get whatever you want, for as long as you can afford it. So if you're looking to really use a woman like a rag doll and fulfill porn driven fantasies of filling every hole, then it's probably best to use a prostitute, cause they'll probably agree to it as long as the money is right. And if you were to pull that kind of shit with some girl you picked up at the gym you might be facing some of the same charges as Kobe.
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Posted - Jul 23 2003 : 4:24AM
Thanks a lot for your unbiased words, oreb:This could rather not happen here: Its a unwritten law in our bars that he who buys her drinks, is entiteled to cash in afterwards getting back some sexual favors. But of course you have to establish some contact with her, so she knows whom she is supposed to please afterwards.
In many ways here in Moscow what happens in bars is kind of prostitution. Just that you pay in advance and are not sure what to get exactly afterwards. Many of the girls in our bars are semi-professionals; quite often illegal (too young, immigrants)
I am not sure if rag doll is the right word. But basically that is exactly what I want from girls at the moment: Fullfillment of my porn driven phantasies. Still, I really think it is essential to treat them fine and generous - not like rented fuck-dolls!
Finally: Rape needs to punished as severe as possible! If this Kobe-guy did it he shall rot in jail. But certainly it is not true that porn phantasies you can fulfil only by booking an escort or committing rape. Me, I pick up a lot of girls at bars here in downtown Moscow and if my investment was appropriate, of course I can fill every hole. Only, anal is usually better with real professionals.
If I were single I wouldn't pay an escort if I had the money. I would just do without sex. I would never pay for it, and I would rather have sex with someone I care about. As for porn fantasies, I really have none. My fiancee and I are sexually open-minded, but it's not because of porn.
I have next to no experience with escorting so I'm very careful to not annoy anyone. My question is aimed at the guys with experience in London escorting: there is an escorting agency whose internet-address consists of 4 words, all these parts are combined with "-".
The first is the name from a female person from the capital of Serbia/M.(I believe). (i.e. Belgravia)
The second is the plural of a flower. One of Pierre Woodman's movies is called like that "Fatal ......" (i.e. orchids) and the third and fourth word says what it does: escort and service .
Now my question: There is a stunningly beautiful girl called "Esther", black hair, Hungarian, in the lefthand corner. She is also the covergirl of the homepage. Does anyone know if these pictures are from a photo shoot from a magazine and from which one (Playboy?)? Did anybody had a rendezvous with her?
BTW, can anybody of you explain me how the medical side of this business is? How often do these girls go and see a doctor? Do they have to do this?
Thanks.
An inexperienced Cue G.
Edited: sorry, it was too much of a quiz. I hope now somebody can help me out!?! If somebody from the agency has problems with it, please let me know! I will delete it immediately!
Hello, I want to ask shameless for one question, have ever do DPP or even triple penetration on those girls? I hope I can call escorts to serve me, but it's only my fantasy, I will never do it in my life
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