Your scenario would fall afoul of this distinction because the movie would simply be a record of "you" paying for sex, which would be prostitution.

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In a movie, a scene may cost $1K (more or less) for the participants, but there are the other people there who are also paid. There are all those costs you don't consider which is (hopefully) made back when the scene is released. You must guarentee that money to make it worthwhile for all those people instead of being a charity case.

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and wondered why is hasnt been done yet

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And give Hardware a prize -- he is absolutely correct.

In Freeman, the California Supreme Court held that "in order to constitute prostitution, the money or other consideration must be paid for the purpose of sexual arousal or gratification," 250 Cal.Rptr., at 600. Applying this principle, the court characterized the payments made to the performers as "acting fees" and held that "there is no evidence that [Freeman] paid the acting fees for the purposes of sexual arousal or gratification, his own or the actor." Id. Thus, the court held that Freeman "did not engage in either the requisite conduct nor did he have the requisite [intent] or purpose to establish procurement for purposes of prostitution."

So from a legal standpoint, probably not a great idea.

Michael

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Edited by - popdog on 11/2/2005 8:26:49 PM

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Then there is, rather grimly, American Bukkake ... but to me just jerking off in some girl's face after standing in line for an hour with a bunch of hairy louts is not sex.

Probably the best answer is to get Brandon to audition you as a "mope," which means you can attend smaller bukkake-type gatherings, earn $150 or so, and maybe get a BJ or more. But then you no longer are just a fan, you are talent, and that's different.

I'm sure I'm not helping one bit!

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not sure if this series is still running though

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So how can prostitution be illegal ?

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What were talking about here is the legality of prostitution or had you lost sight of that?

I agree there is less risk with an Escort but isn't that still prostitution ? Sure Escort companies may hide under all that "Were just providing company to people, nothing more" bullcrap but it's no big secret to anyone what they are all about. Yet you don't see them get busted by the cops. Why is that ? Simply because they are part of a company that pays taxes.

As for your basic street hooker if she doesn't have a condomn well at least it should be the responsability of the customer to bring is own, these things are practically free so noone as any excuse for not having any.

As I have said in my first post in this topic, each person's body is his own property and so legaly you can use your body to your own profit. There are countries wher a woman can fill in her inland revenue form or any other official document and write in the occupation box "prostitute" because that right is guaranteed by her country's constitution. What would be illegal in those same countries would be for another person to benefit from the prostitutes revenue i.e. pimps, what is also illegal is street hooking because that would be construed as setting up a commercial service in a public place, it would be the same as a salesman coming out of his shop and ushering people on the sidewalk to come into his shop.

So there is still nothing valid to explain as to why prostitution is illegal in the U.S.

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So if the point of making prostitution illegal is because of the risk of spreading disease then there are many other things that should be illegal on the very same grounds : tobacco, nuclear power, fossil fuels, and with time I could come up with a few others. So is anyone else here seeing a double standard ? I know the law will never be perfect but this is one of the biggest hypocrises going.

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Why aren't their any companies that do this? Something like Youdirect.com.

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Also, the whole thread is wrong. There is no 'allow' on the part of porn companies. They are not the ones with the choise.

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I've done several fan fuck productions during the last few years and I'd say performance anxiety is probably why we don't see more series involving fans.

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Not yet but it's in the can. I'm concerned about releasing another solo artist video. I think it would be better if there were more girls being "driven."

Edited by - victoriagivens on 11/24/2005 7:51:26 PM

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Last Question ... Did you ever bareback scenes with Fans or
Members ?

Edited by - Paul Muadib on 11/25/2005 2:25:35 PM

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The reason more companies don't do fan based films, and I'm guessing here, is because first you have to find enough fans willing to do it on film to continue the series. I'm sure the first couple titles would be easy. After that, finding enough that will actually go on film may proove a little difficult.

Second, when someone has never done it before, they may or may not be able to perform with a camera up their ass.

But no, it won't be a scam. I think if there is anyone on here that knows me, they can tell you that I always have looked out for the fans and try to come up with new ways to get them involved.

The World Record film was the best. 110 fans came from as far away as London, some driving across country to be there, with tests, to participate. I believe we broke the fan attendance record for a movie on that one. I can't tell you how much the fans mean to me.

Edited by - victoriagivens on 11/25/2005 5:24:14 PM

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Edited by - Paul Muadib on 11/25/2005 6:06:02 PM

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On the general topic i would agree that it isnt in general a very easy or profitable thing to organise. Just too many snags.

STD's is an obvious one. Then the performance factor. Then the mere fact that most guys are not kindof aware of what goes on behind the scenes in porn. The waiting periods , the breaks , the lighting , all the people etc. add to this the probability of the odd bad egg pitching up and we are left with a management nightmare!

With all that said: if it can be done successfully then GREAT! And well done to whoever is willing to do it.

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The problem with sifting through the applicants is that there is absolutely no way of telling if someone can perform or not until the time comes.

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Surely if a guy can get hard on his own he would be able to 'perform' ?

And if he cant get hard on his own you ditch him. This can of course be done by some random assistant.

I would think the 'stagefright' of getting a hardon infront of some random male assistant would equate to the 'big moment'

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