Just wondering how many girls need to get some sort of high before getting throat fucked. Reason I ask, is that I've noticed that the girls seem way more calm and collected in these shoots in recent years compared to the older stuff. I mean the throating is harder and more vicious than it's probably ever been but the girls generally take well, freakishly well. They tend to let the guy just go full steam, they don't flinch or fight at all like they use to. They're like drones, they doesn't seem to be a "too much" point in them. Either they've upped the dope usage or women are just more adjusted to it now (which I doubt). So do most of them dope up before-hand now? What the hell are they on?
From my experience some girls really have no gag reflex. I've been with a couple of girls that couldn't/wouldn't gag, no matter how much I tried. I have a good sized penis and it'd go right down with no gagging or puking. And 90% of the time they were sober. I think they do this more(as opposed to sucking a dick with no deep throat) so they get better at it. There are some scenes where you can tell the girl isn't comfortable with the face fucking. If you are signing on to do a face fucking scene, there's gotta be a good chance that they either enjoy it or are good at it.
Maybe I don't watch enough porn with extreme deep throating but the vast majority of the ones that I've seen have included some if not all of the following: Chocking sounds, gagging, watery eyes from the gag reflex, heavy spit filled drooling, partial vomiting(in some scenes) and a general look of distaste on the faces of the girls. Now if your question is whether girls take drugs to do porn then most producers would say not on their set because a drugged out performer is a very dangerous thing for them. The girl can claim that she wasn't in a state to agree to all the things that happened during the scene because she was under the influence of drugs and alcohol.
I don't think Vicodin is that strong. I've taken it a few times for headaches and it doesn't help that much. It relaxed me just a bit but it sure didn't make me unresponsive or slow me down that much. Something like Valerian would work better than Vicodin for that, I think. I think after doing 100 deepthroat/gagging scenes, like anything else, you probably just get used to it. Maybe it's a little of both. I don't know.
Well, I'd say they could probably sneak. A mild high is not going to be something that would be easy to detect. But at the same time, a mild high is not going to be something that's going to make somebody so "out of it" they don't notice a big cock in their throat. So these things kind of cancel one another out. The girl would have to be practically falling over to be that out of it. Someone would notice. Edited by - randomprecision on 7/6/2012 1:33:11 PM
Girls nowadays know a diffirent kind of porn, they know guys love to shove it down their throats, so they practice and learn. I think it's pretty sweet.
Maybe so, but even still with or without any of those variables the majority of them seem more okay with it, or in other words more submissive and less defensive.It would make sense, if these girls were seasoned vets. But a lot of the time we're talking new-comers and those without much under their belt, doing a hardcore throating scene and making it look like a cinch. Something is up.
Girls nowadays are exposed to entirely new norms for what is "standard" porn... from a very early age. A girl in the 80s or early 90s might have had their entire experience with porn being seeing the odd playboy under their dad's mattress. Now a girl of 18 will have had a decade of seeing (or having the opportunity to see) hundreds of instances of extremely hardcore porn. Unlike the girls of the 80s and 90s, these girls enter the industry knowing exactly what's expected. There was a time when a facial or cumming in a girl's mouth was definitely not the norm. You would see many, if not most, girls wretch or grimace when a load was flying towards their face. Now it's hard to imagine this reaction; and when you occasionally see a girl dodge a cum shot these days its only notable because of it's rarity. Lately I've become amazed at how many scenes involve ATOGM (as to other girls mouth). Seriously, ATM was a HUGE taboo 15 or more years ago, but now you simply have trouble finding an anal scene that doesn't have repeated ATM. But ATOGM still to me seems kind of shocking and out there; but in the last year or so it's become increasingly frequent, and clearly celebrated. Mike Adriano in particularly has whole lines of videos where he fucks one chick exclusively in the ass and the other girl's job is simply to sit there and take it in her mouth directly from the other girl's ass. So while on one level non-gagging deepthroating SHOULD be different (because it's also a matter of physiology in addition to simple taboos), I imagine girls of today, having seen porn from middle school and earlier, come to except that this is a "normal" practice that they need to learn... Same goes for anal in general, and double anal in particular. I'm probably like a bunch of guys that grew up in the 80s where I spent like a year convincing my GF to do anal. First you had to convince her that it even was a "thing" that people did. Then you had to move her beyond the "ick, that's where I poop," factor. Then you had to convince her that, just because it kind of hurt, didn't mean it wouldn't get better the next time. But now, anal is as common as straight sex in porn; porn goes a long way to "teaching" women when they are younger what is supposedly now normal. In other words the horrible ubiquity of porn--shit that we all agree shouldn't be seen by kids--IS in fact seen by kids and this is improving the current crop of performers as well as our girlfriends and wives. Edited by - joeblow123321 on 7/9/2012 2:16:59 PM
wow... where do you watch your porn dude ?? please let me know if you know a good site/series i'm a fan of facial abuse myself Edited by - babaro on 7/9/2012 6:47:52 PM
@JoeBlow123123 Great post, that is exactly what I was going to say. But I go further back to the 70's. Film, Playboy, Deep Throat etc As you say as all of this stuff becomes the norm, then young girls think it is the normal things that they should do. So they are bound to be better at it. I am a grand parent and hell I have seen magazines aimed at teenaged girls (say 13 and 14) that tell them how to perform oral sex. And "wanking" and "going to hookers" and "strippers" is now very mainstream - witness every episode of Two and Half men.
True but just because she says she's a virgin and this is the first time she's ever done deepthroat doesn't mean it's true. It's more appealing for the audience if they believe she's a first timer, right? It's the first time you've actually seen her do it. And again, not everyone has a serious gag reflex. You gotta figure it's pretty unlikely a virgin is going to go do porn on her 18th birthday. These girls have probably been around. If she's 18 and has tons of sex experience, it's not exactly the kind of thing she's gonna brag about. Anyway, again, I supposed it's entirely possible they could take something before hand. I just find it unlikely they could take anything strong enough and still be able to walk. Edited by - randomprecision on 7/9/2012 10:15:18 PM
Maybe I'm not seeing these but I can't recall ever seeing any feature artices in Seventeen telling 13 yr olds how to deep throat or accomdate their dates with a good mouthfuck.
I agree with joeblow123321.This is why you never really see those girls having them 'rabbits in the headlights' moments anymore.For the most part they are getting into the industry with there eyes well and truly open as to what was expected of them.
I'm not a fan of the brutal throatfucking/facefucking stuff, but I surmise from reading ADT posts that most fans enjoy the "she's being overwhelmed and is on the verge of vomiting or passing out or crying or something equally exciting" aspect of it. Wouldn't the fans be disappointed if the girls were to become adept at it? Edited by - ninja1 on 7/10/2012 8:15:06 PM
Actually, the throatfucking thing probably started out relatively tame and (as usual in porn) got more and more crazy because the perception is that's what you have to do. If just making the girl gag or choke on your cock a little bit every now and then is hot, then fucking her through until she pukes and begs you to stop must be even hotter. I'm sure there are fans of both but I personally think the latter wears out pretty fast if you're doing it in every scene. And then where do you go? I think that a little gagging and coughing and so forth is really hot but a little goes a long way. It's supposed to be spice. Not many people would want to try to turn the spice into the whole meal. The best gagging and throatfucking scenes I've seen have all had one thing in common. It may get pretty intense at times but the top will occasionally back off a bit to give the girl some time to recover. And there's usually not real puking in a good gagging/deepthroat scene. There's usually not much more than drool in a good scene with a skilled top. Edited by - randomprecision on 7/10/2012 10:51:36 PM
I'm not into the very rough stuff, with guaranteed puking in every scene and girls freaking out because they can't breathe. I wouldn't want to do that to a girl even she wanted it.
Yes I love to face fuck girls, but I don't like to hurt them, or be rough. Its just so sexy to see your dick go round down her throat. And I don't like too much mess, a bit a spit is OK, but not gobs of it.
I wouldn't have any problem at all with it if I knew she wanted it. The problem in porn is things tend to get ambiguous at times. And some directors seem to purposely exacerbate this (Whether they do it to appeal more to a certain type of customer or for some other unknown reasons seems to be unknowable).
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But don't you think with popular of porn in today younger women over the past 10-20 years, and more acceptance, the more girls are able to do this this or willing to experiment? I've seen several sorority pictures of girls doing deepthroat contests and guessing porn has played part of this. I don't think this is explained by opiates.
I would just feel mean, I can do a lot of pretty rough and dirty kinky stuff but if it's potentially dangerous I won't do it. I would have to love a woman enough to marry her if that's gonna happen. But I agree porn should be more dynamic, if the girl is into rough, do it rough, if she's not then well do it a bit more romantically and just try to make her enjoy rougher sex.
Well I'm not exactly suggesting that they're 18 and virgins. Just stating that they're usually the young types that don't have much under their belt, scene wise in the industry. That's what strikes me. I don't know if they would need something really strong. But I have noticed some of them do seem a bit out of it during a scene. Maybe they're just high? Edited by - echoplex on 7/17/2012 11:40:14 PM
I think face fucking has greatly improved over the years. Like you said, it started out relatively tame in it's formative years. IMO, it has since gotten a lot more hardcore, but at the same time flows better and more naturally. Because both male and female performers have come to better understand their respective roles. To me that's the key to face fucking porn now. Make the throating harder and more outrageous with less vomit or distraught women, and rather a cool demeanor and total compliance on her part. This is why I like the recent talent better, because I do love their utter sense of submission and defeat to a vicious throating. I'm certainly not complaining that the era of distraught women are by-gone. Just noting the change.
Believe me. I have had a dick in my throat when I was high on weed and I still had a strong gag reflex. If you have a strong gag reflex it's going to take a lot more than just being high or slightly drunk for you to be able to deepthroat without gagging. I'd have to be almost out cold before I wouldn't gag on a huge cock.
Well, I haven't seen too much of the recent stuff but if they're still going the way they were mostly doing it for a while, I disagree. I think the tamer stuff was better. Watch the first 3 Animal Trainer flicks. There's a really good deepthroat scene in one of them. I think it was #2 but I don't remember now. That was years ago before we had all this "Facial Abuse" kind of stuff.
Honestly, if you sign up for either the Evil Angel site or the VideoBox site and choose the evil angel add-on, and search for any Mike Adriano movie; look for any scene with two girls in it. Invariably one girl is just there to be on the receiving end of a cock straight from the other girl's ass. It's really astonishing; I would love to have been a fly on the wall when the girl's manager calls her: "so I've got a job for you; doesn't involve any anal or vag fucking." "So it's a bj scene?" "Nope. Well, kind of." "A handjob?" "Nope". "is it a lezzie scene?" "Nope. You are going to rest your head on another girl's ass while a dude fuck's her in the ass; periodically he is going to take the cock out of her ass and stick it directly in your mouth." "oh. Boy. Can't. Wait. Thanks for getting me these great bookings." There's a lot out there, but a favorite is Nasty Anal Tryout's 2 with 18 year old Shane Dos Santos on the receiving end of a cock straight from Sadie Sable's ass. There something hot and kind of awe-inducing about a girl who is high school age, doing something 1 out of 10,000 girls would never ever do.
While they might not be taking illegal drugs you can tell they have taken something to numb the throat just by the color of their tongues, like Chloraseptic and I wouldn't be surprised if they do something a little stronger like Viscous Xylocaine, which while a prescription drug, is not that hard to get and a great numbing agent. From a medical website, I thought this description was perfect for this conversation "This numbing helps prevent the urge to close the throat (gag reflex), which might make the procedure more difficult." (chuckles allowed) Edited by - Peterman on 7/20/2012 12:37:14 PM
That's the thing, Facial Abuse "stuff" isn't really all that rampant. FA is just about the only franchise I know that emphasizes the vomit aspect. I don't really think it's the prevailing theme, and definitely not what I'd consider top tier throating content of late.
That never occurred to me, but you could be right! I've heard people put a lot of stock into those throat numbing agents. Would explain the seemingly unphased / cool demeanor towards something that should be fiendish.
If you are looking for "recent talent" there are a couple of places to go - first and foremost is Jonni Darkko over at EvilAngel has several series in which he plunges it home. Also throated.com has some pretty good throaters. Facialabuse.com has some pretty rough throating and general misogynistic treatment of women.
If Clayra Beau's experience (she has posted pictures to prove what she said) is any guide Facial Abuse isn't porn, it is felony assault. Clayra not only got deep throated (legal with consent by itself), she was popped in the eye with a fist (leaving one lens of a pair of Irish sunglasses [otherwise known as a black eye] ground into her face -- never legal even with consent), her lip split (also never legal) and she was also severely beaten causing several other bruises (some of which would have been legal with consent by themselves). I am a pretty kinky guy and don't have a problem with a few marks, properly consented to but when someone punches a little 115 pound waif-girl in the eye, splits her lip and tries to talk her into continuing the scene that person should be shot on sight! I know that I haven't ever left a black eye or a split lip on my submissive (I haven't ever made a woman puke either, something that Facial Abuse is also well known for). I doubt that Clayra took any Vicodin before that scene but she probably needed something even stronger afterwards! IIRC they paid her a $200 kill fee, not even enough to cover the ER visit she probably needed after her beating (she did not say whether she went to the ER after the scene but if she were my wife she sure as hell would have)!!!!!
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