Also, I remember a Hustler review of an early 80's Lili Marlene film that commented on her gape being "as wide as the grand canyon."

Everett is right, everything possible between humans was shown in a stag film prior to 1920, and many times thereafter. It's useless to try and classify that stuff as there is no real point of reference. More fun to be had, in my opinion, by discussing post-1970 examples that we can verify and attach names to.

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My recollection is that there were several gape moments in the old "Loose Ends" videos released by 4-Play Video circa 1987. That series was the first gonzo style that I recall at a time that everyone else was making storyline features. Bruce Seven was probably the father of gonzo, even more so than Stagliano. As for anal creampies from that era... I don't remember any, but I'm sure it happened. It just wasn't a selling or marketing point back then.

Unrelated: send me an e-mail. I've been trying to contact you for over a week.

Regards,
CSM

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There was supposedly a poorly shot double anal from the 70's, but the first clearly recorded (clearly is clearly relative here because it was poorly shot) double anal was performed by Britanny Skryker in Backdoor to Hollywood 2.

Ron

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This whole history thing brings to mind a talk I had some years ago with John Weston, a 1st Amendment lawyer who used to defend obscenity cases. Anytime he needed information about a certain actor, title or company, he would come to me as his first fact finding inquiry. I was bragging to him once that I could always be counted to divine the obscure answers as I had an encyclopedia-like knowledge of the industry, having been in the business forever, a second generation pornographer, no less. His only reply, rather snottily, was: "Yes. It belies a misspent youth." I never helped him after that snide retort.

Being curious about such things as the first double-vag, etc., may belie some misspent time by many of the readers here. My fiancee was looking over my shoulder as I was on several sites last night and she too remarked that many of us probably need to get some fresh air.

That said, I await the next porn history quiz.

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Ron had built up a solid load, he unleashed in a bullseye pop, that landed right on target. I think Jeremy himself realized the beauty of it, as he occasionally did others with Sahara, Devon Shire, and I believe Careena Collins.
It was a shot that for a time, I measured all others against, and in certain ways continue the search for its equal.
Somewhere there lies a beckoning equivalent to the "Encounters" Devils Tower, a cumfilled symetrical hole of perfection, that spills into the blissful grotto's of the deep anal abyss.

I agree with the belief that nearly all, were by mere accident, occurring through the law of averages that eventually found cum tossed on an asshole.
IMO it wasn't until Max Hardcore, and Al Borda, when it was eventually, and consistently focused on, as a targeted cumshot.

Edited by - Endless Loop on 9/21/2005 3:53:37 AM

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First, we need to define anal creampie. If it means a woman gaping her ass while a man jacks off into the open hole, then those have been around since the beginning of commercial porn--occasionally DP and anal scenes would end with that type of shot. Otherwise the guys would just nut on the woman's ass cheeks instead. Actual internal cum shots inside the female's anus, on the other hand, are very rare in historical porn--I can't think of a single example off the top of my head, although a few might exist. Vaginal creampies (internal) are much more common, and extend back to several of the very earliest stag films still in existence (before WWI).

Although anal sex was uncommon in stag films, it did exist. DP action was fairly rare until the 1960's British stags; there are quite a lot of examples from this period. In fact, it could be said that the British stags from the "Swinging London" period really invented the still standard shots and activities of hardcore sex as we know it. Double vaginal goes on in these films from time to time. The most famous vaginal DP in 1970's porn is that of Terri Hall in Honeypie , circa 1975; there are others. For double anal, Lasse Braun made a whole documentary style film (his first full-length feature) around shooting Bridgette Maier doing double anal, circa 1973(Penetration , aka French Blue ). Not one of his more inspired ideas, either.

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But he was cursed with an immense ego, coupled with an equally immense insecurity. He often referred to himself in the 3rd person, as if no individual, including himself, should carry the burden of not being able to quote Jim Holliday at length.

But that aside, he was an interesting guy to know and he added value to the industry. I always regretted that he spent so much time directing. I always begged him to spend time writing down what he knew. Especially toward the end, when it was obvious where things were headed. Anybody could direct cheerleader movies, but he knew where the bodies were buried, and I think alot of people breathed a sigh of relief that he passed without chronicling what he knew.

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