After reading of the retirement of Nacho i get the feeling ,that we need some new male talents soon . There was an older thread ,that Rocco will retire too. The great French performers Yves Bailat and Jean-Pierre Armand retired . I don't see Richard Lengin and Philippe Dean performing anymore . Some other good performers getting older ,like Franco Roccaforte ,Steve Holmes and Jean Yves le Castel ,nobody knows how long they will do the job . Everyone directs his own movie line ,i see no new male talents ! Maybe Melissa Lauren can start a male casting in France to get some new talents . Frenchman are the best and test-fucked by Melissa will work fine ! What do you think ?
I think the porn industry will always have an excess of men willing to be 'talent'. The question is merely who will be accepted by the women.
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Posted - Jun 6 2005 : 3:46AM
This already lead to a disturbing 1on1 tendency with JYL for instance, who when still shooting for Private, more often staged 1on2, 1on3, 1on4 sex acts. Thus also securing that the girls ass gets more dick = wider gapes.
I'm still waiting for someone cool to come to porn. Someone like James Dean. Sorry but I hate all these musclebound guys that are a dime a dozen in porn. When they do up and over, their muscular thighs block half the girl. I'm not asking for another Scott Lyons, but someone in between.
Is this actually a contributing factor, that weighs in when determining who joins the rank an file, and who doesn't?
Besides the fitting gift of inherent wad control, I've often wondered exactly why theres such a limited roster of available male talent. A small camaraderie we know all too well, that some of which often appear so overworked, they can barely fire off a drop. Kid Jamaica for one, has been in umpteen flicks opposite top female talents, and I can't recall a load he's fired, thats been up to par. Hell, I really don't care if it takes a relay team of no namers in there, passing the baton, who together can last long enough to fill a 15 - 20 minute segment.
I fail to see how or why, small loads, or simply a solid pool of ready back up loads, could ever, should ever, be a problem on a porn shoot. Yet all too often, fearless cum hungry females, are left in the lurch, pussies pounded raw, devoid of any visible cum, with empty mouths, parched if not shamefully neglected.
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Posted - Jun 7 2005 : 2:33PM
What's wrong with Manuel Ferrara, Steve Holmes or Mike Stefano? None of which I would call muscle bound, although I think Mike would be the closes to that statement.
Just curious... Personally I'm not a fan of Nacho, so him begin gone doesn't bother me at all. I do wish him the best in what he goes on to do - most likely to direct full time?
Ive been seeing a few more pop up lately.... still not enough for Sean, Mr. Marcus, and Julian to retire... I think the girls are just more comfortable with them...
To me it seems that male porn stars are in the average some years older than most of the women ... Women seem to reach their climax in porn in their twenties while most males are in their thirties before they become big "stars" ... I have no doubt that some of those who are in there twenties now will become big stars in some years ...
... By the way, I agree with the view that a hot porn star has to have a certain kind of charismatic personality ... thats much more important than muscles or penis size ... so some guys will become stars after a while in porn who are not on the list right from the beginning ....
I don't know about the situation in US ,but in Europe JYLC can't find any good performers for his AWO production . The good guys shoot their own movies and the other guys ,you can't use for a perfect AWO movie ! Ask JYLC himself ,i am sure he will agree !!!
The age balance between most male performers and female performers is laughable. Mostly men in their late 30's and 40's fucking young 18-25 year olds is totally unrealistic, but this is the way porn has worked for years.
Usually the big excuse is that most guys can't do the job and it cost too much money for new guys blah,blah,blah and so on. Hold a few auditons, don't pay the guys who can't perform. Pay the guys who can and use them.
I don't watch porn for the guys, but years of seeing the same guys over and over is getting old. Porn needs to evolve BIG TIME!
Apparently you do not know university students or fledgling artists, who have their own flat and a Mercedes SLK or BMW Z3, which they got by using pussy power.
They, however, don't work as prostitutes or porn stars. They are lovers, significant others, sometimes even wives of the post-mid-life-crisis lawyer, surgeon, e.g.
I stand corrected. My girlfriend is a junior in college and I see your point. It's not unrealistic, it's just creepy to me now. Maybe I'll think differently when I'm a old man...
over 30 years old men fuck 18-25 years old girls sounds crazy to me.... that's so stupid..LOL.....that's nasty man...LOL..i dont wanna see that like it....but it's cool with me...whatever floats their boat. fuck they're too old for those girls!!!
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Posted - Jun 8 2005 : 3:14AM
Gapelover, of course here I think you and me and JYL will agree. Not enough male talent in Europe. But if I remember right you recently expressed your joy about that situation preventing JYL from showing too much hairy male ass on 1 girl, no?
The problem isn't that there are not enough good male performers in Europe. It's that nearly all good performers make their own movies now and are exclusively only available for the company they shot for. So JYLC or CC can't book the good male talent anymore.
And why for God's sake must every good performer shoot his own movies? The most may be good performers, but bad directors. So they should do what they can best.
Yes, but not mineThat's true, but when you're not good as a director, I doubt that in the end you will make the big money.
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Posted - Jun 8 2005 : 8:10AM
camaban, juha and Gapelover, I think it is fine that they shoot their own movies. They often know better what works, which girls are really good etc. I think every veteran porn stud shall shoot his own movies if he likes. But they need to recruit new male talent not into porn yet to finally be able to stage more diverse scenes than just the odd 1on1 or even worse scenes with ageing male talent not being able to shoot good loads anymore.
We definitely need more new talent! Thus Gapelovers idea concerning that Melissa-casting is not bad. French actors have prooven to be amongs the best porn studs for ages. I just wonder wheter Melissa is prepared to do that. Probabely she can earn more money fucking on set instead. Which besides also garantees her more sexual gratification, because she fucks pros. But maybe...
But they don't know enough of the technical aspects of making a good porn movie (lighting, camera work, editing, ...), and this obvious with a lot of these performers, when they begin to shoot their own movies.I think that you're right, that porn needs more good new male talent. The idea from Gapelover indeed is not bad. Maybe Katja Kassin could also do such a casting thing in Germany. But a short solving of this problem would be, if performers like Ferrara, Holmes, Perry, ... would not be under exclusive contract with their companies and therefore could perform for other companies also.
A very strict interpretation of the green card laws. Not only performers who work in the US need one. But also all perfomers who appear in American productions although the scenes are shot in Europe, Asia, Africa, whereever.
So if you dream of scouting new boys, better ask Monica Sweetheart instead of Melissa. And convince her that she earns enough even without a release in the states.
Christian, have you read the law? talked to a lawyer? obviously, not. cause that s not what it says. too many people speculate without even knowing what they re talking about.
I'd like to see some different male talent myself. Too many of these new guys think they're the star of the movie. Their frantic fucking and constant spoken directions to the girl-I'm sick of it. I didn't rent the movie to see your "performance" I rented it to see a hot chick get fucked.
I see your point, but I enjoy being creepy. My next release is called "Papa Holmes' Little Girls" with three 18 and three 19 year old really hot girls.I have no plans to retire as long as I get booked. I also work for other companies as long as they are no direct competitors to PXP or RLD. I just worked for a feature production in Italy and David Perry just worked for me.
When I was younger I loved women between 30 and 50. I was 15 when I had a girlfriend of 36 and I was happy and proud. Here in Europe we have a lower Age of Consent in most countries. I introduced her to my parents.
New male talent will come, but there will always be a shortage. I think it is the coolest job in the world, but it looks like there is only few who are determinate. Many new faces appear in very few flicks and than disappear.
Why? I always hear this, but I never know why. Seems to me like you could find guys that would/could do it for free. Or just give them 20 bucks and send them on their way. That way we'd get fresh male talent along with fresh female talent.
Someone should do a some kind of documentry or porn tryout for guys so fans could see for themselves how hard the job actually is, or see if it's just a myth created by the guys in porn. I'd almost be willing to pay some of the expenses of the studio just to see that...
I don't mind seeing the same male performers over and over provided they are good. There was a time when everything i saw had Marc Davis then it was Erik Everhard. It didn't matter. Now i waatch alot of Christoph Clarks videos and am always happy to see Greg Centauro in a scene
Yeah, I see the history. There probably will always be more females than males. After all, fresh new females on the boxcovers are a big part in sells. Especially in Gonzo.
The male pornstar tryout is a good idea, right? I think it would be fun to watch...
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Posted - Jun 9 2005 : 2:45AM
Of course there are always more female than male actors, because we watch porn for the girls, not the guys. But the question is how big that ratio turned. At a random guess I think while a good balance was 100 girls : 1 stud, now it has turned to 300 girls : 1 stud. And the latter is just too little.
If as a producer you have troubles to produce 2on1/3on1/mini-gangbangs and gangbangs because there is not enough reliable male talent available, than there is definitely something wrong.
Yes, Greg is a really good performer. His scenes in CC movies are always hot. But he also is shooting his own movies now for a German label called Paradise Films, and he's not starring in the latest releases of Christoph Clark. Maybe another good male talent who isn't available for other companies anymore?
I think this is because that male talents simply last longer. There are 3 main reasons for me: 1) The trend in porn is to bring new and new girls all the time, girl who will appear in many movies will become uninteresting to customers. Customers want to see new girls over and over.
2) Most of the girls start doing porn for other reasons than make a long porn career out of their lives. So they shoot only a few movies and than disappear. Many of them do internet content instead of movies. So there is logic need for contantly coming new girls.
3) Ive heard Jess Fiorentino saying its a really hard job and not many girls can do it for longer period of time, lets say 2 years or more, even if they would like to. Average duration is from half year to one and a half year.
This is true and all the big actors including Steve Holmes simply prove this. They can do porn over 10 years, and the customers still will be happy......
P.S.: I dont think there is a myth about males working in porn. It is true hard work, traveling, relaxing, yes, but also a lot of fun when doing with right people. I personally also tried to start this work but the agency I contacted refused me due to age. They are only accepting male talents 25 yrs old anmd younger. Im a lil bit older. Thats seems really cruel to me...why the stict limitations of age? By the way I look 5 years younger...:-))
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Posted - Jun 12 2005 : 1:23PM
Um, dude... ejaculation wasn't designed for show. It was meant to shoot semen into the vagina to impregnate the female of the species. It's rather ridiculous to expect ever guy to fire like Peter North.
And personally, I think the actors hurrying to get into position for the facial probably contributes to the weakness of the pop shot. Just let the guy pull out and cum on her belly/butt or wherever, depending on the position.
Platinum X Pictures made a film called Porn Star Idol which may have what you are looking for. They have both guys and girls trying out. I have not seen the movie, but Selena Silver has review of it on this site.
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I think there´s new and solid male talents each year. But the success for male talent don´t use to be so fast. Nacho became a great star when he went to the USA, but he was been working some years before.
Anyway, a new spanish name to remember: Alvaro Armada. You can see him in Private Chateau #2. He has everything to be a great star in some years.
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