Porn industry supporting HD DVD?

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Darth-Morpheous Deactivated User 1701 Posts 3/02	Posted - Mar 21 2005 : 1:29PM There is a battle going on between HD DVD technology and Blue laser DVD technology. Some big corperations are supporting one and other big corperations are supporting the other. It is not known which one will win. HD DVD obviously has the ability to decode HD unlike the Blue laser which just allows more material on a DVD. I feel that the blue laser is useless because if you can't fit everything on 1 DVD a studio can just release a 2 disc set, for a very low cost. Why is this important on this forum? Because everyone is waiting to see what the porn industry supports because of the high volume of adult DVDs sold. Most likely the porn industry will decide the winner of this battle. I really hope that HD DVD wins because it will be amazing to see great porn in HD. I would be willing to pay extra for this technology. I'm sure I'm not alone. Darth-Morpheous adultdetective.com Topic Moved by - scipio on Mar 24 2005 [Link]
TonyC Comstock Films 2523 Posts 8/03	Posted - Mar 21 2005 : 1:36PM Darth-Morpheous wrote: Most likely the porn industry will decide the winner of this battle. Click to expand Yes, I'm sure all eyes at Sony, Microsoft, etc are turned towards Chatsworth, waiting to see how "the industry" casts its ballot. -T.C. Comstock Films:Real Life, Real People, Real Sex [Link]
Darth-Morpheous Deactivated User 1701 Posts 3/02	Posted - Mar 21 2005 : 2:16PM Tony, the porn industry has a big say in the matter because of the amount of adult DVDs purchased. The adult industry is a huge part of the DVD market and if they supported HD DVD that would be a huge victory for the format. Darth-Morpheous adultdetective.com [Link]
Beeone Member 58 Posts 7/01	Posted - Mar 21 2005 : 2:24PM Darth-Morpheous wrote: HD DVD obviously has the ability to decode HD unlike the Blue laser which just allows more material on a DVD. I feel that the blue laser is useless because if you can't fit everything on 1 DVD a studio can just release a 2 disc set, for a very low cost. Click to expand Blu-ray will also support HD, and I doubt anyone wants to swap dvds 3 times during a movie ;). [Link]
Darth-Morpheous Deactivated User 1701 Posts 3/02	Posted - Mar 21 2005 : 2:29PM from what I read, blu-ray will not support full 1080 HD. It will only give you ED. Darth-Morpheous adultdetective.com [Link]

bes Member 20 Posts 2/05	Posted - Mar 21 2005 : 6:57PM Porn industry supporting HD DVD. Why? [Link]
Bill All-Star Member 5334 Posts 6/00	Posted - Mar 21 2005 : 8:53PM Darth-Morpheous wrote: from what I read, blu-ray will not support full 1080 HD. It will only give you ED. Click to expand Then what you read was wrong. If Blu-ray didn't support 1080i, it wouldn't even be in consideration. 480P is generally considered to be the standard for ED. Current DVDs and DVD players are ED. [Link]
Darth-Morpheous Deactivated User 1701 Posts 3/02	Posted - Mar 22 2005 : 11:13PM I will have to read into the topic again. The biggest argument against the blu-ray is it's inability to project HD as opposed to Blu-ray. I do hope you are right. It would be a shame if we never get to see great HD video. Adult or mainstream. Darth-Morpheous adultdetective.com [Link]
VertigoVic VertigoVideo 44 Posts 6/04	Posted - Mar 22 2005 : 11:26PM The industry is definately supporting HD. I know several companies that are shooting in HD as we speak, both the big feature companies, as well as Gonzo. I think HD will become industry standard in say, 2 years. We are doing 1 HD title a month. We're releasing our first in July. Best, Vic Edited by - vertigovic on 3/22/2005 11:26:45 PM [Link]
Darth-Morpheous Deactivated User 1701 Posts 3/02	Posted - Mar 22 2005 : 11:39PM Vic, what is the sense of shooting HD if the current DVDs can't show HD? Until the technology of the software is up to date, shooting in HD is useless. Unless of coarse it is one of the lame big companies like Vivid that can broadcast a cheesy HD feature via cable or sattalite. Darth-Morpheous adultdetective.com [Link]
Van Styles Member Starr Power 306 Posts 1/04	Posted - Mar 22 2005 : 11:53PM great topic..... right now the only sense in shooting in hd and mastering hd is if you are gonna broadcast in hd. other then that there is no point to it as darth pointed out, there is no format to support a hd movie (i.e. dvd of some sort). unless you wanna go the digital playground way and make a windows media disc for your computer to play. i see the adult industry going with hd dvd over blu ray just cause it will cost less then blu ray. but blu ray would be more interesting due to the amount of content you can put on one disc but who knows. i myself have been shooting in hd but downconverting it to a sd signal (which is tv broadcast quality) so you are getting a quality a lil bit higher then dv but lower then hd. and in the end hustler will have camera originals in hd so later on if they want they can put out movies on hd dvd. i dont see a point right now in people advertising "shot in hd" due to the fact most people dont have hd tvs to begin with and alot of people dont even know what hd is exactly [Link]
Bill All-Star Member 5334 Posts 6/00	Posted - Mar 23 2005 : 12:13AM Darth-Morpheous wrote: The biggest argument against the blu-ray is it's inability to project HD as opposed to Blu-ray. Click to expand The biggest argument against blu-ray is that it will cost more to produce Blu-ray discs than HD-DVD discs (at least initially). At one time, the Blu-ray specs didn't include some of the the more advanced compression codecs that HD-DVD will have. But because of the larger disc capacity of Blu-ray, they didn't really need them. However, they are now part of the Blu-ray spec. FWIW, (DirecTV, Dish & Voom are all currently using MPEG-2 for HD. So MPEG-2 works just fine for HD. They will all be converting to MPEG-4 in the upcoming years, not for improved quality, but for better compression with the same quality. Picture quality will not be an issue in the Blu-ray vs. HD-DVD war. From cnet reviews: Camp Blu-ray Backed by: Sony, Dell, Hewlett-Packard, Hitachi, LG Electronics, Matsushita Electric Industrial (Panasonic), Mitsubishi Electric, Philips Electronics, Pioneer Electronics, Samsung Electronics, Sharp, TDK, and Thomson Multimedia. Fight song: "We're better, you know it." Advantages: Getting the early start, Blu-ray has enjoyed more mindshare than HD-DVD, as well as a conglomerate of powerful backers that rivals President Bush's "coalition of the willing" in size and scope. Technologically, the biggest edge Blu-ray appears to have over HD-DVD is that it offers 30 percent more capacity and is designed for recording high-def video. Rewritable BD-RW discs, with similar features to Panasonic's current DVD-RAM discs, can play back content while recording to the disc at the same time. Also, Sony owns Columbia Pictures and recently bought MGM, which gives it a leg up on releasing content. And PlayStation 3 certainly will carry a huge chunk of clout in the marketplace. Disadvantages: Real or not, the biggest knock against Blu-ray is that the discs--initially, at least--will be more costly to produce than HD-DVD media (Sony claims otherwise). Until recently, the other knock was that unlike DVD-HD, the Blu-ray spec did not include support for more advanced video compression codecs such as MPEG-4 AVC and Microsoft's VC-1, in addition to the MPEG-2 codec. But the Blu-ray Group recently announced support for those codecs, so they're now on even ground on that front. HD-DVD posse Backed by: Toshiba, NEC, Sanyo, and Memory-Tech. Microsoft is also supporting HD-DVD in its next version of Windows (support for Blu-ray is on the table). Fight song: "We're evolutionary, not revolutionary." Advantages: The name itself, HD-DVD, is far more consumer-friendly than Blu-ray. HD-DVDs carry the same basic structure as current DVDs, so converting existing DVD manufacturing lines into HD-DVD lines is supposedly simple and cost effective. Memory-Tech, a leading Japanese manufacturer of optical media, stated that producing HD-DVD discs would initially cost only 10 percent more than for existing DVDs and that it could quickly bring the cost down to match that of standard DVD. Disadvantages: HD-DVD simply can't boast the same storage capacity as Blu-ray. It's confusing, but it appears that the rewritable HD-DVD-RW will go up 32GB, while the recordable HD DVD-R discs will only be single layer (15GB). The other downside is that with Sony holding the rights to Columbia Pictures and MGM movie and television libraries, there will probably be a hole in HD-DVD's content offering--don't expect to see MGM/UA's James Bond movies on HD-DVD, for example. Outlook: Too close to call Blu-ray had the early lead, but HD-DVD has been making inroads, garnering support from major studios Warner, Paramount, Universal, and New Line Cinema, who've decided to play it safe and back both formats. From a marketing standpoint, HD-DVD appears to be positioning itself as the more practical high-def DVD solution, an extension of the format rather than a leap beyond it. The Blu-ray group, for better or worse, is taking the bait and campaigning on technological superiority. Unfortunately, as a result, the press has jumped on the whole VHS vs. Betamax analogy--you know, the old "the best technology doesn't always win" story, which doesn't help Sony. Personally, I think a better analogy is the whole SACD vs. DVD-Audio fiasco--you know, the war that no one seems to care about and no one's winning. In other words, Vince, hold onto your DVD collection; you have time. There are all kinds of copy-protection details to iron out, lots of politics, and some prices that need to drop a zero (people are just starting to buy DVD recorders, for crying out loud). Me, I'm ballparking the end of 2006 before anything interesting really starts to happen in the high-def disc arena. Until then, put in a well-transferred DVD and sit a little farther back from your TV. It all looks like HD from the other side of the room. [Link]
VertigoVic VertigoVideo 44 Posts 6/04	Posted - Mar 23 2005 : 12:14AM Darth-Morpheous wrote: Vic, what is the sense of shooting HD if the current DVDs can't show HD? Until the technology of the software is up to date, shooting in HD is useless. Unless of coarse it is one of the lame big companies like Vivid that can broadcast a cheesy HD feature via cable or sattalite. Darth-Morpheous adultdetective.com Click to expand Major broadcast companies like playboy are only buying HD. plus the DVD quality is MUCH better off HD.It pays to build a catalog now. [Link]
Mike Quasar Zero Tolerance Reluctant pornographer 1765 Posts 7/01	Posted - Mar 23 2005 : 12:23AM it's the classic Betamax VS Vhs battle once again. Blu Ray boasts larger capacity and better quality but Blue Ray DVD's won't play on your present DVD player. HD-DVD boasts less capacity but the ability to be played on your present DVD player and standard Def DVD's will be playable on HD-DVD players. Also, HD-DVD will be cheaper. I wouldn't be wagering on Blu Ray when all is said an done. Just my opinion however. As has been said before, the current crop of shooters boasting about shooting on "HD" are doing so merely for bragging rights. Other than a 16X9 aspect ratio, the end user will receive no greater value or quality than a porn movie shot with the ubiquitous Sony VX2100. I could letter-box my movies shot with a Panasonic DVX100 and stamp "shot in HD" on the box and no one would be the wiser. I made my first attempt at HD aquisition several months ago with the Panasonic Varicam and let me just say that maybe High Definition and the average porn girl are not entirely compatible :( Quaze [Link]
Mike Quasar Zero Tolerance Reluctant pornographer 1765 Posts 7/01	Posted - Mar 23 2005 : 12:29AM "plus the DVD quality is MUCH better off HD" A DVD 9 is a DVD 9. A movie shot at 1080i will still have to be down-converted to fit on one. The down conversion puts the HD footage back to standard def resolution. [Link]

MASAMUNE Senior Member 1452 Posts 12/04	Posted - Mar 23 2005 : 12:31AM Mike Quasar wrote: I made my first attempt at HD aquisition several months ago with the Panasonic Varicam and let me just say that maybe High Definition and the average porn girl are not entirely compatible :( Quaze Click to expand I agree. I have no desire to see all the skin flaws on the girls in excruciating detail. THings are fine now with regular DVDs. Some subtelty should still be retained, no? [Link]
Lee O Forearm Trainer mmmmmmm........ after-birth 1193 Posts 8/03	Posted - Mar 23 2005 : 6:07AM Mike Quasar wrote: Blu Ray boasts larger capacity and better quality but Blue Ray DVD's won't play on your present DVD player. HD-DVD boasts less capacity but the ability to be played on your present DVD player and standard Def DVD's will be playable on HD-DVD players. Also, HD-DVD will be cheaper. Click to expand Um , HD-DVD discs won't be playable on current DVD players , not sure where that info came from . Both BlueRay and HD-DVD prototype players are capable of handling DVD/CD/etc... The VHS/Beta analogy kind of supports BlueRay if you ask me , with perceived wisdom having it that Beta failed due to Sony remaining proprietary too long . In this instance VHS would be BlueRay and HD-DVD would be Beta . HD-DVD recently got a double kick in the goolies when Apple came out supporting BlueRay and Microsoft decided to stick with standard DVD for Xbox2 . Bill , are DVDs progressive ? For some reason I've always assumed they were interlaced . 576 lines over here BTW ! No HD worth the name though . [Link]
TonyC Comstock Films 2523 Posts 8/03	Posted - Mar 23 2005 : 6:21AM Mike Quasar wrote: "plus the DVD quality is MUCH better off HD" A DVD 9 is a DVD 9. A movie shot at 1080i will still have to be down-converted to fit on one. The down conversion puts the HD footage back to standard def resolution. Click to expand Shot well, HD is more than just more pixels. HD is better lenses, better and larger CCDs, and better A/D converters and algorythms. Look at American Chopper or Project Green Light ; nothing you (or I) have shot with a VX2100 has ever looked that good. -T.C. Comstock Films:Real Life, Real People, Real Sex [Link]
oatmeal Meat Popsicle Seeking Beauty 1738 Posts 8/04	Posted - Mar 23 2005 : 7:11AM Lee O wrote: Mike Quasar wrote: Blu Ray boasts larger capacity and better quality but Blue Ray DVD's won't play on your present DVD player. HD-DVD boasts less capacity but the ability to be played on your present DVD player and standard Def DVD's will be playable on HD-DVD players. Also, HD-DVD will be cheaper. Click to expand Um , HD-DVD discs won't be playable on current DVD players , not sure where that info came from . Both BlueRay and HD-DVD prototype players are capable of handling DVD/CD/etc... Click to expand I think it's only compatible with the same type of laser and not the current players. Meaning you'll have to have some kind of bridge technology for the other side's DVD players to read both types of disc, raising costs and probably compatibility issues. If either side claims current DVD players will work with their format I'll believe it when I see it. The whole point of this is to force everyone into buying new hardware and another version of the Star Wars Trilogy (and George can edit it again!) [Link]
Kperv The Cuddler *struck (She slipped) 1818 Posts 1/04	Posted - Mar 23 2005 : 10:12AM Mike Quasar wrote: ...maybe High Definition and the average porn girl are not entirely compatible :( Click to expand As always a matter of personal preference. Even with current DVD tech there are huge differences in picture clarity between different studios/directors. I personally love it, when I get a porn flick with exceptionally sharp picture where every little 'flaw' and blemish is visible. Major turn on. Perfection through soft focus or bad lenses is boring. oatmeal wrote: The whole point of this is to force everyone into buying new hardware and another version of the Star Wars Trilogy (and George can edit it again!) Click to expand This time Han won't even carry a weapon and Greedo will be killed by his own ricochet. [Link]
Mike Quasar Zero Tolerance Reluctant pornographer 1765 Posts 7/01	Posted - Mar 23 2005 : 10:24AM TonyC wrote: Mike Quasar wrote: "plus the DVD quality is MUCH better off HD" A DVD 9 is a DVD 9. A movie shot at 1080i will still have to be down-converted to fit on one. The down conversion puts the HD footage back to standard def resolution. Click to expand Shot well, HD is more than just more pixels. HD is better lenses, better and larger CCDs, and better A/D converters and algorythms. Look at American Chopper or Project Green Light ; nothing you (or I) have shot with a VX2100 has ever looked that good. -T.C. Click to expand Yes Tony, but when the majority of porn shooters are talking about shooting HD, they're talking about the Sony FX1 which is the HD equivalent of the VX2100. As far as the compatibility issues, I don't think anyone knows the truth at the moment. I went to a seminar on this a few weeks back and even the "experts" argued with each other. Quaze [Link]
TonyC Comstock Films 2523 Posts 8/03	Posted - Mar 23 2005 : 10:30AM Mike Quasar wrote: Yes Tony, but when the majority of porn shooters are talking about shooting HD, they're talking about the Sony FX1 which is the HD equivalent of the VX2100. Click to expand Ah yes, HDV. The same data rate as DV, but with six times as many pixels supported by a temporal compression scheme (MPEG). Sounds perfect for high-motion subject matter like piston pounding assfucking. As far as the compatibility issues, I don't think anyone knows the truth at the moment. I went to a seminar on this a few weeks back and even the "experts" argued with each other. Click to expand Agreed. At present HD is a morass of competing, semi(in)compatable standards. That's why (among other reasons) we're shooting film. (You didn't think I'd let that go by, did you? ) -T.C. Comstock Films:Real Life, Real People, Real Sex [Link]
Lee O Forearm Trainer mmmmmmm........ after-birth 1193 Posts 8/03	Posted - Mar 23 2005 : 4:36PM I wonder if film is more of an older person's medium ? Mike Quasar rants: As far as the compatibility issues, I don't think anyone knows the truth at the moment. I went to a seminar on this a few weeks back and even the "experts" argued with each other. Click to expand I refuse to argue with you , since I'm not an argumentative sort . But (yes , that dreaded word) it'll be a neat trick if they can get blue laser discs to work on an old red laser DVD player ! This thread has plenty of informed discussion mixed amoung the usual speculation . Kperv wrote: oatmeal wrote: The whole point of this is to force everyone into buying new hardware and another version of the Star Wars Trilogy (and George can edit it again!) Click to expand This time Han won't even carry a weapon and Greedo will be killed by his own ricochet. Click to expand Maybe they can have an alternate language track with David Prowse speaking Darth's lines in his inimitable west country drawl ! " Luke , aye be yer father , that I be ." Gotta love yokel Vader ! [Link]
Kperv The Cuddler *struck (She slipped) 1818 Posts 1/04	Posted - Mar 23 2005 : 6:10PM Lee O wrote: ...David Prowse speaking Darth's lines in his inimitable west country drawl ! " Luke , aye be yer father , that I be ." Gotta love yokel Vader ! Click to expand I don't remember how David Prowse sounds, but that line made me think of the piraty voice of that ships captain character in The Simpsons. "aye be yer father" P-) [Link]
Bill All-Star Member 5334 Posts 6/00	Posted - Mar 23 2005 : 9:44PM Mike Quasar wrote: Blu Ray boasts larger capacity and better quality Click to expand Yes on the "larger capacity". No on the be "better quality". Both HD-DVD and Blu-ray will be using the same compression algorithms. Neither one will be "better quality" than the other. [Link]

Darth-Morpheous Deactivated User 1701 Posts 3/02	Posted - Mar 23 2005 : 10:36PM O.K. Lots of great input here. After taking everything into account it seems like Blu-ray doesn't give that much more to float my boat. I never had a problem with getting up to put in a second disc to watch the DVD extras. If it will be easier to play my existing DVD collection on HD-DVD than Blu-ray, I would lean towards HD-DVD. I just hope all this gets ironed out sooner than later. I really look forward to watching great movies and porn in HD. I would even be happy if they would shoot porn in widescreen. I have a 96' 16x9 screen and it would be great to have a great well shot porn take up the whole screen. I wouldn't even mind buying another version of the SW trilogy as long as the picture quality gets better. Darth-Morpheous adultdetective.com [Link]
Darth-Morpheous Deactivated User 1701 Posts 3/02	Posted - Mar 24 2005 : 1:27PM Obviously now that this has moved to the tech talk forum no one will ever see it again. Darth-Morpheous adultdetective.com [Link]
Janitor Retired Porno movies, sexy videos, xxx. Adult DVD Talk at your service. 6409 Posts 11/99	Posted - Mar 24 2005 : 3:16PM Darth - the thread belongs in tech talk. please don't whine when a moderator moves a thread to the appropriate forum. it's unbecoming. [Link]
oatmeal Meat Popsicle Seeking Beauty 1738 Posts 8/04	Posted - Mar 24 2005 : 4:52PM TonyC wrote: That's why (among other reasons) we're shooting film. (You didn't think I'd let that go by, did you? ) Click to expand not for a second [Link]
cykedout Member Ireland 245 Posts 8/00	Posted - Mar 25 2005 : 3:25AM After reading some of the articles on this a while back, some people were predicting that hybrid HD-DVD/Blu-Ray DVD players could be the most likely outcome for this "war". both sides have invested too much in their own side that it seems simpler to produce a player or recorder that would play or record both formats. This may be analagous to the DVD-R vs. DVD+R situation of recent times. Most of these now support both formats and let the user choose which types of disc to buy. Seeing as many of the inherent specifications of both camps are the same (or at least not similar enough to be easily adapted), this seems a more prudent course of action. It wpould also mean users could use both types of disc for different purposes, but that's to be decided down the line. [Link]
nolyn Member 29 Posts 12/04	Posted - Mar 26 2005 : 6:53PM Darth-Morpheous wrote: from what I read, blu-ray will not support full 1080 HD. It will only give you ED. Click to expand This is absolutely BS. Both HD-dvd and blu-ray support the same formats: http://www.somacon.com/blog/page16.php The main differences between the two are: -HD-DVD has 15GB capasity vs 25GB on blu-ray. -Blu-ray disks and players are more expensive to produce. Edited by - nolyn on 3/26/2005 11:22:34 PM [Link]
nolyn Member 29 Posts 12/04	Posted - Mar 26 2005 : 7:56PM Bill wrote: Mike Quasar wrote: Blu Ray boasts larger capacity and better quality Click to expand Yes on the "larger capacity". No on the be "better quality". Both HD-DVD and Blu-ray will be using the same compression algorithms. Neither one will be "better quality" than the other. Click to expand You're actually a bit wrong. You say yourself: Both HD-DVD and Blu-ray will be using the same compression algorithms. So, let's take an example with DVD. You have two dvds: one is single layer with 4.38 GB of capasity and dual layer dvd with 7.95GB. And you have 3h long movie to fit. With single layer dvd it will have average 3.3Mbit bitrate, which is actually not enough for sharp fast-and-a-lot-of-action video. With dual layer you'll have nearly double capasity of 7.95GB and 6Mbit bitrate, which provides nice-and-sharp video quality. Absolutely the same applies to HD-DVD vs Blue-ray. Both have same formats and algorithms, which means both provide the same BEST possible quality. But...... when we want to fit a lot of material on the disk blu-ray will provide better quality. Some figures to compare: HD-DVD - 15GB vs Blue-Ray - 25GB. Hours of video of various quality/bitrate/codecs: DVD-quality with mpeg-2 codec (4mbit, enough for porn, not always enough for an action-movie): HD-DVD - 8h vs Blue-Ray - 13.5h 1080 HD video with mpeg-2 coded (25mbit, well enough for porn): HD-DVD - 1h 20min vs Blue-Ray - 2h 10min 1080 HD video with advanced microsoft mpeg-4 coded (15mbit, enough for porn): HD-DVD - 2h 20min vs Blue-Ray - 3h 40min __________________________________________________ So.... I prefer 1-disk Blu-ray with 2h long movie and 2h of extra to -------------2-disk HD-DVD I prefer 2-disk Blue-ray with 3h long movie and lots and lots of extra to -------------4-disk HD-DVD I prefer 1-disk Blue-ray with 2h movie AND 2h extra to -------------1-disk HD-DVD WITHOUT 2h extra I prefer 1-disk Blue-ray with 4h movie with very nice and sharp picture to -------------1-disk HD-DVD with rediced quality. Edited by - nolyn on 3/26/2005 8:14:19 PM [Link]
nolyn Member 29 Posts 12/04	Posted - Mar 26 2005 : 8:13PM sorry, double post. Edited by - nolyn on 3/26/2005 8:13:40 PM [Link]
Bill All-Star Member 5334 Posts 6/00	Posted - Mar 26 2005 : 9:10PM nolyn wrote: Both have same formats and algorithms, which means both provide the same BEST possible quality. But...... when we want to fit a lot of material on the disk blu-ray will provide better quality. Click to expand But that's not a quality issue. It's a quantity issue. Your comparison is like saying that dual layer DVD's have a better picture than single layer DVD's. When used properly, that's just not true. It's not true with HD-DVD vs Blu-ray either. I've never claimed that HD-DVD can match the amount of data that Blu-ray can store. But when compression is applied properly, the quality of HD-DVD and Blu-ray will be identical. Your point that it will take multiple HD-DVD discs to store as much information as a single Blu-ray disc is a valid one. But it is not an issue of quality. [Link]
nolyn Member 29 Posts 12/04	Posted - Mar 26 2005 : 11:07PM Well, technically quality is quantity. More capisity -> higher bitrate -> better quality. More pixels -> better quality. More capasity -> higher sample rate -> better sound, etc etc. It is relatively easy to change dvd-players (comparing to producing totally new hardware like HD-DVD or blu-ray) the way they can play HD video from usual dvd9 disk. The only thing is that they could store just a bit over one hour of content. This way even CD could contain HD video, only 6 mins of it. One may say this can be solved with multiple disks. Well, have you ever seen 6h single-dvd compilations? I have, they aren't that high quality in my opinion. Why they release them on single disk? I don't know, save few bucks I guess. Will this happen with next-generation medium? Definitely. Quite obvious they'll be releasing 1-disk 3h,4h,5h (maybe even longer?) compilations on HD-DVD/Blu-Ray (whichever it will be). Which one will have better quality? Blu-ray. Edit: Bill wrote: But that's not a quality issue. It's a quantity issue. Click to expand Can't say you are totally wrong. Because in 90% of cases the BR and HD-dvd would be identical in quality. Simply because most of the videos aren't longer than 2h, or if they are they can release them on two disks. Still, I'm pretty sure there are cases when blu-ray would provide better quality. Edited by - nolyn on 3/26/2005 11:25:59 PM [Link]

Bill All-Star Member 5334 Posts 6/00	Posted - Mar 27 2005 : 12:12AM nolyn wrote: Will this happen with next-generation medium? Definitely. Quite obvious they'll be releasing 1-disk 3h,4h,5h (maybe even longer?) compilations on HD-DVD/Blu-Ray (whichever it will be). Which one will have better quality? Blu-ray. Click to expand Which is why I went out of my way to say "But when compression is applied properly , the quality of HD-DVD and Blu-ray will be identical." You will just be able to get more of it onto a single Blu-ray disc than sn HD-DVD. Don't think for a minute that the same people who will be willing to cram 5+ hours onto an HD-DVD would also try to stick 8, 9 or 10+ hours of the same poorly compressed video onto a Blu-ray disc. 90% of cases the BR and HD-dvd would be identical in quality. Click to expand The other 10% will be because the producer of the disc just didn't give a shit. That's not the fault of the format. That the fault of the manufacturer. When it comes to HD porn, you probably have a point. When it comes to mainstream DVD, all of the big players give a shit. There will be no quality difference between a DVD put out by Columbia (Blu-ray) and one put out by Warner (HD-DVD). There just might be more extras on the Columbia disc or there will be a second disc in the Warner DVD case (which would negate the cost savings of HD-DVD over Blu-ray). [Link]