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| skronker Notable Legendary Icon  Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02 |  Posted - Dec 19 2008 : 3:41PMFleshbot reports: We've all heard how porn is recession proof, how porn companies are posting record profits while the rest of the world lays off half their staff. But is that really the truth? An anonymous tip just received by the Fleshbot staff indicates that things might not be so rosy—at least not for one company: I just got off the phone with [a Naughty America staff member], who was telling me the story of how the entire Los Angeles production crew was laid off yesterday (Wednesday) afternoon. As they were wrapping up their final shoot of the day, all of the employees who were at the studio—roughly 15 of them—were asked to sit down for a conference. Out of nowhere, Laura D. (executive producer) and Michelle (head of HR) appeared and informed everyone that they were going to be laid off. They were offered two options: two weeks severance pay in addition to the two weeks of vacation pay they were about to get paid—apparently the production crew were all about to go on a two-week paid hiatus, OR, two weeks paid vacation after which they would return to assist in the tear-down of the studio, which would probably take two weeks, and two weeks severance pay. Basically, four weeks of pay or six weeks of pay. It sounds like everyone was stunned and a lot of tears were shed, including many from Laura D. Also from the phone conversation I learned that NA is sitting on about three weeks worth of unedited footage that will hold them afloat for roughly a few more months, but there isn't any word what the company is going to do after that. I would imagine that those employees working in NA's San Diego office who haven't yet been laid off are wondering what kind of job security they have at this point. I've heard of at least three layoffs from within the San Diego office over the past two months. The economy is truly affecting us all. If this is true, we're both shocked and saddened—Naughty America has long been a Fleshbot fave, and to see them taken down by economic woes would be truly tragic. We hope this email isn't a sign of things to come across the entire industry—it's so much better when people are getting laid, rather than laid off. [Link] |
| skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02 | Posted - Dec 19 2008 : 3:44PM [Link] |
Redish  Poetic Moderator Long and Cursive road to the Ivory Pagoda in the province of Loraine 4076 Posts 12/03 | Posted - Dec 19 2008 : 3:53PM Its just the LA office. Which is bad enough. [Link] |
| skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02 | Posted - Dec 19 2008 : 4:35PM [Link] |
| Walter All-Star Member 1445 Posts 3/05 | Posted - Dec 19 2008 : 6:16PM From what I've heard (I'm not a member), NA closed its Naughty Country Club member forum within the last few weeks. I had to fix a quote. Yes, I have to fix a post from a mod. Edited by - heynow on 12/19/2008 9:27:52 PM [Link] |
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| DanaDeArmond Porn Unicorn TheInternetsGirlfriend.com 2786 Posts 1/06 | Posted - Dec 19 2008 : 7:49PM the truly saddest part is NA employed tommy pistol who just had a baby with gia paloma this summer.... what a terrible situation this must put them in. :( [Link] |
| Savoy All-Star Member Sucker for Sinners 1844 Posts 12/06 | Posted - Dec 19 2008 : 7:52PM [Link] |
| killbillvol69 All-Star Member ^Lucy Pinder 18631 Posts 4/08 | Posted - Dec 19 2008 : 7:53PM [Link] |
| skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02 | Posted - Dec 19 2008 : 10:03PM [Link] |
| Walter All-Star Member 1445 Posts 3/05 | Posted - Dec 19 2008 : 10:07PM I stand corrected. I was thinking of Naughty Direct, the pay-per-scene offer that was discontinued. [Link] |
| BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Dec 20 2008 : 5:26AM [Link] |
| aussie_guy77 Member 121 Posts 4/07 | Posted - Dec 20 2008 : 8:16PM [Link] |
| Dan Senior Member 2056 Posts 6/07 | Posted - Dec 21 2008 : 3:07PM And they certainly need to get away from any jurisdiction where the government is interfering and hassling them. [Link] |
| Ibrox Deactivated User 120 Posts 12/08 | Posted - Dec 21 2008 : 3:36PM Here are a couple of articles I found which offer a glimmer of hope. First, there is a Financial Times article that reports that Toshiba saw an increase in HD DVD sales by slashing prices. Then, there is another report from the UK that indicates that Internet retailers saw sales increase by 2.9% in November. Fiancial Times articleInternet Retailing articleIt really sucks about Tommy Pistol being laid off with a new baby. Gia is such a sweetheart. Hopefully, someone can find him a new gig. Edited by - Ibrox on 12/21/2008 3:36:38 PM [Link] |
| Skyscrapper Member 667 Posts 12/08 | Posted - Dec 21 2008 : 4:08PM [Link] |
| flip69 Deactivated User 118 Posts 9/06 | Posted - Dec 21 2008 : 4:45PM [Link] |
| DanaDeArmond Porn Unicorn TheInternetsGirlfriend.com 2786 Posts 1/06 | Posted - Dec 21 2008 : 4:52PM it doesnt change the fact that he is out of work with a wife and new child. he left new york and a union job as a porter to work for NA because they offered him a contract which included all the same benefits and supposed job security. he is an awesome person, very creative and talented and super funny. i just hope anyone who is reading this may be in the position to try him out as a director. [Link] |
| Ibrox Deactivated User 120 Posts 12/08 | Posted - Dec 21 2008 : 5:07PM There is a Canadian documentary series called "Webdreams" which shows the day-to-day lives of industry people. Tommy and Gia are in the current season. I just saw an episode where Tommy was very sick, and Gia was helping him in and out of bed, and into the bathtub to cool down his fever. That was a tender, nurturing side to Gia I never saw at her Kink.com shoots. Tommy seems like a swell guy. I also hope he lands another gig soon. [Link] |
| RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Dec 21 2008 : 5:15PM [Link] |
| Ibrox Deactivated User 120 Posts 12/08 | Posted - Dec 21 2008 : 8:32PM Alas, he is an equal opportunity straight shooter. He talks a lot about China these days because it is outsourcing central. But, if they still keep transcripts of his show from a few years back at the CNN website, you will see that he had also called Mexico, Canada, Central America, Colombia and the EU on their crap. But, from what I heard, he also supports gay marriage, so he can't be as bad as his detractors say that he is. Edited by - Ibrox on 12/21/2008 8:36:29 PM [Link] |
| BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Dec 21 2008 : 9:13PM [Link] |
| Ibrox Deactivated User 120 Posts 12/08 | Posted - Dec 21 2008 : 9:17PM It is illegal aliens, drug cartels and their willing lackeys in the Department of Homeland Security and the Administration that Lou has a problem with. [Link] |
| Knuckle Kids Deactivated User 287 Posts 4/08 | Posted - Dec 22 2008 : 2:46PM [Link] |
| Ibrox Deactivated User 120 Posts 12/08 | Posted - Dec 22 2008 : 5:44PM Also, I might be wrong, but I think Tommy left his union job to direct for NA before the collapse of Lehman Brothers and AIG. [Link] |
| Savoy All-Star Member Sucker for Sinners 1844 Posts 12/06 | Posted - Dec 22 2008 : 5:58PM Edited by - savoy on 12/22/2008 6:00:44 PM [Link] |
| Shagdog Member Houston 626 Posts 1/07 | Posted - Dec 22 2008 : 6:42PM He blames the Mexican government for not addressing the poverty that causes the problem and allowing drug cartels to run their country. He blames the US government for allowing US companies to exploit illegal aliens, not securing the US border , and not pressuring Mexico to end this poverty. [Link] |
| skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02 | Posted - Dec 22 2008 : 7:24PM [Link] |
| RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Dec 23 2008 : 7:18AM I don't actually know for a fact that Lou drinks. I just think the evidence I'm aware of strongly suggests it. I don't think a person who drinks is incapable of doing anything valuable. I was just making a joke at Lou's expense. I actually like Lou Dobbs. I just think he gets stuck on pet issues when there's a whole world of issues for him to harp on. But CNN would never let him on the air if he was indiscriminate. [Link] |
| lenscap Member everywhere 185 Posts 10/05 | Posted - Dec 23 2008 : 7:29AM i just hope anyone who is reading this may be in the position to try him out as a director." He went from a janitor, to a short term porm performer to now perhaps a "director"? I guess anybody can "direct" porn. Which shows why the big names ( Jordan, Darkko, Stagliano, et al) prosper in this down market. Now where's my chair? [Link] |
| skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02 | Posted - Dec 23 2008 : 10:36AM To your other point, though ... yes, anyone can be a porn director. Esp. with the zero budgets these days. Edited by - skronker on 12/23/2008 10:38:11 AM [Link] |
| DanaDeArmond Porn Unicorn TheInternetsGirlfriend.com 2786 Posts 1/06 | Posted - Dec 23 2008 : 1:18PM [Link] |
| Shagdog Member Houston 626 Posts 1/07 | Posted - Dec 23 2008 : 6:05PM Thank you skronker for the salute to the working people [Link] |
| BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Dec 24 2008 : 1:38AM [Link] |
| lenscap Member everywhere 185 Posts 10/05 | Posted - Dec 24 2008 : 7:03AM Aside from the fact you know nothing about me ( oh, did I mention the two rental properties I own in NYC ( B'klyn ) earned by WORKING my ass off, what in the world does your statement mean? Some producer should front some "experiment" to some 'nice' guy. Its a business, Einstein Oh, did I mention I shot over 50 swinger vidoes that rival some of the crap that is sold as 'professional' porn. And with a Sony 8MM no less. I'd be happy to send you a few flicks if you make nice to me... [Link] |
| jayo All-Star Member 2117 Posts 7/04 | Posted - Dec 24 2008 : 3:00PM I wonder how much of it is just the thinning of the herd--there's so much crap out there that disintegrates when times are tough and people get choosy. I know a number of people, and I've read a lot of complaints here, who are turned off by the prevailing tastes of X-treme videos that not only are NOT erotic, they're repulsive. Obviously there's a market for the extreme, but I tend to think a lot of that is also what's pirated, and the more mainstream ends up being served by the hard-R stuff that runs on Skinemax late at night--where you get beautiful women getting laid, but you don't get spitting, gapes, massive insertions, bukkake, and so on. It's the same with other industries. I know a lot of companies that treated their customers as granted, where "the least effort required to sell" was good enough; and then suddenly when faced with competition or a choosier customer base, their customers vaporized and they cried the blues. They blamed everyone but themselves and their own cheap-ship products or shoddy customer service. I'm not saying that this explains it all, but I think it's a significant factor. [Link] |
| JimGunn Member Where The Teens Are 173 Posts 1/02 | Posted - Dec 25 2008 : 2:54PM Luckily for me, besides the girl-girl movies I film for my own DVDs and sites I also shoot movies for a wide range of other companies for DVD and for web sites of every type imaginable, so I keep busy even if he fans don't' see my director's credit on the videos. All the mediocre companies and vanilla porn stuff is very hard to sell nowadays. A net savvy fan who does not care about owning the physical DVD will essentially never have to pay for porn again in their lifetime, and there is a whole generation of young people now who would laugh in your face if you even suggested that they should pay for porn. As a result you are going to see companies specializing in fetishes and odd niches that one cannot easily find for free. This week between Christmas and New Years I personally will be filming foot fetish porn for a guy in Israel, small penis humiliation for some guy in the UK, some schoolgirl creampie scenes and baby-faced teen girl scenes for a company in Canada and some kissing videos for my own company, all with very exacting and high production values. If you are a director filming or a company releasing vanilla porn with two people fucking on a couch in this environment, you are out of business in 2009... JimGunn.com Sisterlicious.com XXXSisters.com [Link] |
| Ibrox Deactivated User 120 Posts 12/08 | Posted - Dec 26 2008 : 1:15PM Back to the topic of anybody being able to direct porn, Eli Cross has long said that the only thing you need to be a successful porn director is a camcorder and an opposable thumb. That being said, there is a difference between being just a successful porn director and a Great porn director. Eli Cross is a great porn director. Tommy Pistol is also a great porn director. The sad thing is that the pentultimate poster before me said rings true. In this industry, just like in the car industry (if the fucking government would just get the fuck out of the way and let Darwin's Law of Natural Selection solve the problem), sales are down and a thining of the herd looks like it is in the air. The audience for porn is contiguous with the audience for reality TV. Give them lots of empty glam and meaningless bling, and they will be satiated just like the rest of Pavlov's dogs. They have no appetite for greatness because it is something which does not even occur to them to aspire to, even vicariously. The true artistes, pioneers and daredevils risk penury because the fad these days is mediocrity. [Link] |
| RFrog Member 396 Posts 10/07 | Posted - Dec 26 2008 : 2:25PM I'm not into art or class or whatever. Then again, what gets me off may differ from what gets you off. I haven't lost my job, but the threat is there. My company laid off some people this December. It's because the end of December marks the end of a fiscal quarter and the fiscal year that lay offs occur before the holidays. It's not because bosses are trying to play Scrooge. I've known bosses who say that it's the most awful part of the job. Recessions are normal parts of the economic cycle. Just like snow falls. Although, this recession has the potential to turn into a blizzard! I've decided to save my money and not subscribe to very many porn sites. I'll just watch what I already own on my hard drive. If a porn star contacted me and asked, "Consumer, what do you want?" I'd tell her what I'd like to see and hear and I'd be willing to pay for it. But I won't pay for mediocre porn. In this economic climate, I'm even more finicky. When you're unemployed and looking for work and frustrated that no one is hiring, well then you have more free time on your hands. Use your time to learn and develop new skills to make yourself more valuable. If you have no money to take classes, surf the web. Google knowledge is free. Hell... loiter in bookstores and read for free. I haven't been busted yet. ;) My hours were cut in 2007. I lost a lot of money. In 2008, I played "catch up". Now 2009 may be hard, and I'm thinking, "Oh no, not again!" :P Maybe now is the time to think and re-invent porn. Hang in there, people. Hang in there. [Link] |
| Ibrox Deactivated User 120 Posts 12/08 | Posted - Dec 26 2008 : 3:02PM For the purposes of clarification, let me state that, as far as I am concerned, Good porn=Kink.com Great Porn= Corruption and Upload Mediocre porn=...well, this is a nice friendly board, and I don't want to hurt the feelings of anyone who makes what is mediocre porn to me. Suffice it to say that mediocre porn, as far as I am concerned, is that genre of porn that has the same name as one of the characters from The Muppets. I mean, once you have seen Hillary Scott getting fucked by a gun, what else is there after that, really? [Link] |
| BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Dec 26 2008 : 8:23PM [Link] |
| HeyNow Oblivious Gold Star Hey! 5965 Posts 1/03 | Posted - Dec 26 2008 : 8:26PM Gonzo is good. I mean great. I mean it makes me happy. It's not for everyone. Just most everyone. [Link] |
| skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02 | Posted - Dec 26 2008 : 9:00PM So you work hard and own property. Good for you. Given that, I'm surprised you have so little empathy for your fellow hard-working New Yorkers. I have no interest in watching swinger videos. But I'm sure they are first-rate. Edited by - skronker on 12/26/2008 9:04:11 PM [Link] |
| skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02 | Posted - Dec 26 2008 : 9:26PM [Link] |
| bauer024 Senior Member It is what it is 1345 Posts 12/05 | Posted - Dec 27 2008 : 4:41AM Dan [Link] |
| drdoom Member 317 Posts 5/07 | Posted - Dec 27 2008 : 9:53AM P.S. Dana, Loved you in EA #6. My favourite scene of 2008! Would love to see you do a scene for Facial Abuse.  [Link] |
| Ibrox Deactivated User 120 Posts 12/08 | Posted - Jan 3 2009 : 10:57PM Now, a girl taking a cattle prod to her tits and snatch, or a girl taking fists, a baseball bat or a gun to the snatch...now THAT is something I can take my hat off too!  [Link] |
| killbillvol69 All-Star Member ^Lucy Pinder 18631 Posts 4/08 | Posted - Jan 4 2009 : 1:18AM Is one of the two posts a joke, or do you have a misunderstanding of the term "gonzo"? [Link] |
| Ibrox Deactivated User 120 Posts 12/08 | Posted - Jan 4 2009 : 1:59PM What I mean to say in all of this is that I do not find gonzo all that entertaining. I find it, no offense intended, bland and mundane...unlike WiredPussy.com or Eli Cross' films. If it works for others, great! But it does not work for me. I hope this clarifies things, and I apologize for any and all inconveniences I have caused. [Link] |
| killbillvol69 All-Star Member ^Lucy Pinder 18631 Posts 4/08 | Posted - Jan 4 2009 : 4:04PM I think you need to look up what "gonzo" means. Use the porn dicktionary link on the left side of the page, in the "resources" section. [Link] |
| Ibrox Deactivated User 120 Posts 12/08 | Posted - Jan 5 2009 : 12:49PM Long story short, I thought gonzo was something in the sense of "stale, routine fucking" or, as Melissa Lauren said in a French-language interview, "Maman et Papa" (Mom and Pop fucking.) My point in all of this, as obscure as it was up to this point even to me, is that I find simple b/g banal, while WiredPussy and Eli Cross' productions excite me. [Link] |
| Knuckle Kids Deactivated User 287 Posts 4/08 | Posted - Jan 5 2009 : 1:59PM [Link] |
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