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OLY
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Posted - Apr 7 2004 : 11:29PM
just wondering what an editor really does.. do they have to sit through all the film and then piece together a scene..
someone give me an insight as to what their job consists of.. just curious.
thanks
Oly
pornopunk
Senior Member

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2/04
Posted - Apr 7 2004 : 11:34PM
I'm not a porn editor but I have worked on editing video projects and it's basically taking all the footage of a particular scene and cutting it down to smoother and shorter time. In porn I assume most shoots are longer than 20-30 mins and I know it's lots of starting and stopping.

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TonyC
Comstock Films

2523 Posts
8/03
Posted - Apr 7 2004 : 11:36PM
That's the short of it. The long of it can only be understood by seeing the same scene edited by a couple different editors. Amazing how different the same footage can look depending on what you take out, what you leave in, and what order you put it in.

-T.C.

DP Jones
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511 Posts
10/03
Posted - Apr 7 2004 : 11:41PM
Speaking of editing,any news on Cal lately?Did he find a home?
Ramsey
Senior Member

Trina Michaels fan
10332 Posts
10/02
Posted - Apr 8 2004 : 6:22AM
Speaking of editors; I personally think Slayne Wayne is one of the best editor out there. I love his work.
 
sachunglo
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SPERMAN OAKS
48 Posts
1/04
Posted - Apr 8 2004 : 6:36AM
Video editors can do a range of things more technical then most from fixing sound, fixing exposure, but most importantly making the movie flow...

Sometimes directors depend too heavily on the editor (thinking that they don't have to pay attention to details when shooting), but at the end of the day it is the job of the video editor to make best with what footage he receives

Putting together a movie can be like putting the pieces
of a puzzle together

A video editor to me is a like the person putting together the puzzle that is jerk vision (sometimes the director can help piece it together too)

Although people might say, "they are just editing porn"
it still can take alot of work and diligence

good editors that come to mind are diamond goldstein and d.t. aka dark twon

Walter Burns
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7564 Posts
11/02
Posted - Apr 8 2004 : 10:28AM
Nice idea, but not a very valid comparison, imo. It implies that there is only one correct way to edit a scene, and that is just not true.




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TonyC
Comstock Films

2523 Posts
8/03
Posted - Apr 8 2004 : 11:11AM
Bzzzzt. There is, in fact, one correct way to put together a scene – my way!

I've used a diffenent puzzle analogy for editing docs:

Imagine going from garage sale to garage sale buying second-hand jigsaw puzzle. Sometime you get to see the box covers, sometimes you don't. Sometimes it's obvious puzzle pieces are missing, sometimes it's not.

Take the ones you like/can afford home and start putting pieces together. Maybe you have an idea of what the finished piece will look like, maybe you don't. Sometimes you use pieces from the same puzzle together, sometimes you don't. How exactly the shapes of the pieces fit together is of varying importance, depending on context.

Cover rough patches with cross-dissolves. Pray the producer has budget for top quality music and a celebrity voice-over.

-T.C.

cobalt60
Knuckle Dragger

2046 Posts
2/03
Posted - Apr 8 2004 : 11:59AM
And don't forget packaging! Many people will buy things based solely on a pretty box. Or a pretty girl ON the box. Or a pretty girl on a shiny box, better yet! Or...a shiny girl on ...
eduardo911
Senior Member

1299 Posts
8/03
Posted - Apr 8 2004 : 4:25PM
To get an idea of how and why video or film footage is edited (generally speaking, not necessarily in porn) check out modules 50 thru 58 of this (free, no-strings-attached) online course on tv and video production:

http://www.cybercollege.com/tvp_ind.htm

In porn, there are of course specific requirements related to the target group. Bad editing makes a porn flick boring or annoying, witness the worn-out FF button on my remote control...

sachunglo
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SPERMAN OAKS
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1/04
Posted - Apr 8 2004 : 9:34PM
not to say there is only one way of editing,
but in actuality there is a certain formula that good video editors usually use

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Gaped Crusader
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Orlando
58 Posts
2/04
Posted - May 6 2004 : 4:36PM
I would say its the editors job in porn is to cut the pruduct as fast as posible make it look as good as posable. get under paid and recieve no credit when the product looks great. but take all the heat when it looks bad....
Gaped Crusader
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Orlando
58 Posts
2/04
Posted - May 6 2004 : 4:40PM
has there ever been an editor that has gottin an AVN award who also dose not direct...i dont think there has.. why is that. I will tell you why cuz the editor fix everthing and get no respect.. the are the unsong heros of porn... so to all the editor out there this buds for you..
John-O 76
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Posted - May 6 2004 : 5:46PM
Gaped Crusader, well, I think I love you
DenverDon
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Posted - May 6 2004 : 6:08PM
Don't be a mugwump John-O. Either you do or you don't.

DenverDon

 
Coyote
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Posted - May 6 2004 : 7:01PM
What in the heck is a Mugwump? or do you even know

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DenverDon
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Posted - May 6 2004 : 7:26PM
Coyote,

A Mugwump is a creature that sits on a fence, with his mug on one side, and his wump on the other.

DenverDon

tricia_devereaux
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Posted - May 6 2004 : 8:54PM
First of all, John-O, we love you! Perhaps you'll be one of the next editors to win for a movie that you didn't direct (or did direct). Keep up all the great work!

In bold are the awards since 1997 that the editor was NOT the director of the movie. AVN does not list the names of the editors before 1996, so some of those movies may have been edited by someone other than the director too.

Best Editing - Film
2004 Andrew Blake, Hard Edge, Studio A Entertainment
2003 Tricia Devereaux & John Stagliano, The Fashionistas, Evil Angel Productions
2002 Tommy Ganz, Fade To Black, Vivid Entertainment Group (director Paul Thomas)
2001 Michael Raven & Sammy Slater, Watchers, Sin City Films
2000 Ren Savant, Seven Deadly Sins, Vivid Entertainment Group
1999 SCSI Post & Nic Cramer, Looker, Pleasure Limited Edition
1998 James Avalon, Zazel, Cal Vista Films/Metro
1997 Barry Rose, Bobby Sox, Vivid Film (director Paul Thomas)
1996 Blue Movie, Wicked Pictures
1995 Sex, VCA Platinum
1994 Immortal Desire, Vivid Visuals
1993 Chameleons, VCA Platinum
1992 On Trial, Vivid Video (director Paul Thomas)
1991 House of Dreams, Caballero Home Video
1990 The Nicole Stanton Story, Caballero Home Video
1989 Pretty Peaches II, VCA Pictures
1988 Babyface II, VCA Pictures
1987 Ribald Tales of Canterbury, Caballero Home Video
1986 Snake Eyes, Command Video
1985 Good Girl, Bad Girl, Essex Video
1984 Scoundrels, Command Video

Best Editing - Video
2004 Alexander Craig & Antonio Passolini, New Wave Hookers 7, VCA Pictures
2003 Ethan Kane, Perfect, Private Media Group (director Michael Ninn)
2002 Sydney Michaels, Island Fever, Digital Playground (director Joone)
2001 Nic Andrews, Dark Angels, New Sensations
2000 Jonathan Morgan, Double Feature!, Wicked Pictures
1999 Alex Sanders, Bodyslammin': Shake & Tumble, Blacksheep Ent./All Good
1998 John Leslie, Drop Sex: Wipe The Floor, John Leslie Productions/Evil Angel
1997 Michael Ninn, Shock, VCA Platinum Plus
1996 Latex, VCA Platinum Plus
1995 Shame, Vivid Visuals
1994 The Creasemaster's Wife, VCA Platinum
1993 The Party, Pepper Productions
1992 Curse of the Catwoman, VCA Platinum
1991 Beauty & the Beast 2, VCA Platinum (director Paul Thomas)
1990 Night Trips, Caballero Home Video
1989 Catwoman, VCA Pictures
1988 Edwin Durell's Dreamgirls, VCA Pictures
1987 Club Exotica, Western Visuals
1986 Dangerous Stuff, Command Video
1985 Whose Fantasy is This Anyway?, AVC

And for reference, here are the Best Directors (Film and Video) and Best Film and Video winners
Best Director - Film
2004 Paul Thomas, Heart of Darkness, Vivid
2003 John Stagliano, The Fashionistas, Evil Angel Productions
2002 Paul Thomas, Fade To Black, Vivid Entertainment Group
2001 James Avalon, Les Vampyres, Cal Vista Films/Metro
2000 Ren Savant, Seven Deadly Sins, Vivid Entertainment Group
1999 Nic Cramer, Looker, Pleasure Limited Edition
1998 Nic Cramer, Operation Sex Siege, Private USA
1997 Paul Thomas, Bobby Sox, Vivid Film
1996 Michael Zen, Blue Movie, Wicked Pictures
1995 John Leslie, Dog Walker, John Leslie Productions
1994 Paul Thomas, Justine, Cal Vista Film
1993 John Stagliano, Face Dance, Parts I & II, Evil Angel
1992 John Stagliano, Wild Goose Chase, Evil Angel
1991 Andrew Blake, House of Dreams, Caballero Home Video
1990 Henri Pachard, The Nicole Stanton Story, Parts 1 & 2, Caballero Home Video
1989 Alex de Renzy, Pretty Peaches 2, VCA Pictures
1988 Richard Pacheco, Careful, He May be Watching, Caballero Home Video
1987 Cecil Howard, Star Angel, Command Video
1986 Cecil Howard, Snake Eyes, Command Video
1985 Anthony Spinelli, Dixie Ray, Hollywood Star, Caballero Home Video
1984 Cecil Howard, Scoundrels, Command Video

Best Director - Video
2004 Michael Raven, Beautiful, Wicked Pictures
2003 (tie) Michael Raven, Breathless, Wicked Pictures
Rocco Siffredi, The Ass Collector, Rocco Siffredi/Evil Angel
2002 Brad Armstrong, Euphoria, Wicked Pictures
2001 Nic Andrews, Dark Angels, New Sensations
2000 Jonathan Morgan, Double Feature!, Wicked Pictures
1999 John Leslie, The Lecher 2, John Leslie Productions/Evil Angel
1998 Robert Black, Miscreants, Extreme/Elegant Angel
1997 Michael Ninn, Shock, VCA Platinum Plus
1996 Michael Ninn, Latex, VCA Platinum Plus Best Featurette - Film (See "Best Vignette Tape")
1995 John Leslie, Bad Habits, VCA Platinum
1994 Jim Enright, Haunted Nights, Wicked Pictures
1993 (tie) Alex de Renzy, Two Women, Rosebud/V.I.P.
Anthony Spinelli, The Party, CDi
1992 Scotty Fox, The Cockateer, Legend Video
1991 Paul Thomas, Beauty & the Beast 2, VCA Platinum
1990 Jean-Pierre Ferrand & Peter Davy, Voodoo Lust, Pleasure Productions
1989 John Leslie, Catwoman, VCA Pictures
1988 Henri Pachard, Talk Dirty to Me, Part V, Dreamland Home Video
1987 Jerome Tanner, Club Exotica, Western Visuals
1986 Paul Vatelli, Erotic Zones II, Caballero Home Video
1985 Henri Pachard, Long Hard Nights, Essex Video
1986 More Reel People, Part 2, Plum Productions
1985 Alex de Renzy's Dirty Girls, Mitchell Brothers
1984 The Best of Alex de Renzy, Mitchell Brothers/VCA

Best Film
2004 Heart of Darkness, Vivid Video
2003 The Fashionistas, Evil Angel Productions
2002 Fade To Black, Vivid Entertainment Group
2001 Watchers, Sin City Films
2000 Seven Deadly Sins, Vivid Entertainment Group
1999 Looker, Pleasure Limited Edition
1998 Bad Wives, Vivid Film
1997 Bobby Sox, Vivid Film
1996 Blue Movie, Wicked Pictures
1995 Sex, VCA Platinum
1994 Justine, Cal Vista Film
1993 Face Dance, Parts I & II, Evil Angel
1992 (tie) On Trial, Vivid Video
Wild Goose Chase, Evil Angel
1991 House of Dreams, Caballero Home Video
1990 Night Trips, Caballero Home Video
1989 Pretty Peaches 2, VCA Pictures
1988 Careful, He May be Watching, Caballero Home Video
1987 The Devil in Miss Jones, Part 3, VCA Pictures
1986 Raw Talent, VCA Pictures
1985 Talk Dirty to Me, Part III, Dreamland Home Video
1984 Scoundrels, Command Video

Best Video
2004 Rawhide, Adam & Eve (Tie)
2004 Beautiful, Wicked Pictures (Tie)
2003 The Ass Collector, Rocco Siffredi/Evil Angel
2002 Euphoria, Wicked Pictures
2001 Dark Angels, New Sensations
2000 Dark Garden, VCA Platinum Plus
1999 Café Flesh 2, VCA Platinum Plus
1998 Buda, Evil Angel Productions
1997 Shock, VCA Platinum Plus
1996 Latex, VCA Platinum Plus
1995 Shame, Vivid Visuals
1994 Haunted Nights, Wicked Pictures
1993 The Party, Pepper Productions
1992 Curse of the Catwoman, VCA Platinum
1991 Beauty & the Beast 2, VCA Platinum
1990 Mad Love, VCA Pictures
1989 Catwoman, VCA Pictures
1988 Romeo and Juliet, Western Visuals
1987 Blame it on Ginger, Vivid Video
1986 Dangerous Stuff, Command Video
1985 Long Hard Nights, Essex Video
1984 Blue Voodoo, Vidco


Edited by - tricia_devereaux on 5/6/2004 8:56:05 PM

dac
David Aaron Clark

Just another WKW wannabe
574 Posts
2/04
Posted - May 6 2004 : 8:57PM
There have been plenty of video editors to get AVN Awards who were not also directors. However, I might note that the best directors either sit in on their editing or do it themselves -- the majority of the E.A. guys being the best example .

I started editing my own stuff four years ago, and my style today reflects the fact that the same guy shooting the camera is the one editing it. Editing your own stuff results in being a better shooter. Anybody in porn who neither holds their own camera or at least sits in on editing is not really a "director," but more of a producer, because they really don't have that much to do with shaping the product besides casting the performers and telling them what kind of sex to have.

As for my style of editing, I find the best analogy to be scuplting -- I take raw footage and slowly whittle it down to what should be there, emphasizing what needs to be emphasized, and making multiple passes until I have my "final" product. I say "final" because even now there isn't a show I've done that if I could go back there wouldn't be some fine-tuning I would make. Of course, i take longer than your average porn editor to do my work -- I am more painstaking because it is in my best interest on every level to do the best job possible.

I agree that porn editors are woefully underpaid and unappreciated in this business.

dac

p.s. I'm indeed one of those damn directors who have gotten AVN noms for my editing. But I deserved it. :)

valjean4876
Member

953 Posts
3/04
Posted - May 6 2004 : 9:29PM
I swear to god I learn something every day. great!

dac
David Aaron Clark

Just another WKW wannabe
574 Posts
2/04
Posted - May 7 2004 : 5:13AM
Check out here:
http://www.m5industries.com/html/press/nlunch_detail.htm
for a look at a mugwump as envisioned by William S. Burroughs & David Cronenberg -- that's him on the left. The other guy is Robocop.

dac

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asianmouthclub.com

"The objectification and commodification of human sexuality beats flipping burgers or selling real estate any day. Even if it smells worse."

msmary
Video Team

44 Posts
3/04
Posted - May 7 2004 : 11:43AM
Darktoof is the best editor out there. He makes movies come alive and brings an added flavor to the feature that no other editor I've seen can do. Azzfest 3, I Like It Black 5 and Lil Jon are perfect examples of his creativity.
msmary
Video Team

44 Posts
3/04
Posted - May 7 2004 : 11:50AM
You too DAC! I didn't forget about you.



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