Here's a revelation for you. Who cares what you think? Your plan is to slip gay interaction into my porn and somehow I'll decide male asses are attractive? I own a male ass. Not attractive. Funky. If I see male interaction it better just be a high five during a DP.
perhaps someone here would like to respond to this, which is in the very lonely gay forum… https://forum.adultdvdtalk.com/forum/topic.dlt/topic_id=104537/forum_id=2/cat_id=1/reply=1063196#post1063196
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Hellhamster. 2947 Posts 10/03
Posted - Aug 3 2007 : 3:51PM
I fail to see the point in alienating the straight porn viewer.
I think most have been said already, so I'll be careful about rehashing. But do you really think anyone in this thread want to force anything on others? I think there is one good point here, and that is that the categories of lesbian/bi/gay does not mean the same in porn as in every other setting. The reason is because of the preferences of the majority of porn viewers, which are men. Nobody is a moron for pointing that out. And pointing that out does not mean you want to force anything on anyone.
The OP, simply by suggesting that straight porn needs to incorporate m-m sex, is trying to force personal preferences on those who don't share them. There are entire genres devoted to the gay/bi taste. Why would anyone be so adamant about injecting it into the straight category if they weren't trying to push their agenda on others? In my last post I posed this question sarcastically but I'll ask it seriously this time: How many straight guys complain about the lack of hot babes in gay porn?...None. Zero. As a straight man, I'd be just as annoyed by M-M action in my porn as a Gay man would be if a hot chick popped up in the middle of a gay scence. But these self-centered nitwits dismiss that under the guise of the "sexual spectrum" and label me a "homophobe". What these people need to learn is that they owe the same respect to other people's preferences as they loudly demand for their own.
Who are "these people"? I don't even interpret the OP as wanting to use force although he wants to see more of it. I get the impression that the threat you talk about is as non-existing as Bill O'Reilly's paranoid rants about the threat from transgender abortionists or whatever. I just don't see the relevance of being angry at people we can't even know if exist, and who clearly have no influence anyway.
I get the sense you're going out of your way to misunderstand my position and argue just for the sake of it. I don't think any sane person would think I was using the term "force" in a literal way! The OP has posted the exact same topic here and elsewhere multiple times in a span of a few months. It's obvious he's pushing an agenda, unless he's just a troll. And please, spare me the melodramatic comparisons to Bill O'Reilly. That's beyond lame.
I'm not arguing just for the sake of it. But you pointed to people with a clear agenda, and you complained about the homophobe label being thrown around. My impression is that you feel like there is an effort from some group or segment to make straight porn gay and label the protesters in their way. The OP, BustDownGal, me and others have clearly varying points of view, and are not at all saying the same. Yet one thing that many recognize is simply that the labels straight/bi/gay/lesbian have lost their original meaning when it comes to porn. Me saying that does not mean I support all other arguments of others who happen to share that particular view. If the OP is gay, bi or straight doesn't matter at all since he is clearly not a part of the rest of the debate. He posted, and waited, then probably posted another thread instead of following up here. Edited by - BigMatt on 8/3/2007 5:10:27 PM
Bustdown Gal specifically used the homophobe label when describing the straight men who disagreed with the OP. Read her post again.Not necessarily a group or segment. It was quite clear I was addressing individuals in this thread.Does this mean gay men would be ok with extensive footage of titty fucking inserted into their porn? or that lesbians will be willing pay for "lesbian porn" featuring blowjobs? I really don't think so. Again, it comes down to giving the same respect to other people's choices as you demand for your own. Plain and simple. Edited by - ToneBone on 8/3/2007 5:23:45 PM
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Hellhamster. 2947 Posts 10/03
Posted - Aug 3 2007 : 5:31PM
Gay porn needs male-male sex. Straight porn needs heterosexual sex. Is it really that confusing?
I think BDG pnly characterized another individual poster, but I might not remember it corerctly, so I'll re-read the thread when I feel like it. However she only speaks for herself in any case. Regarding the labels on movies, as I said earlier, I think they should be even better. If I had a girlfriend who disliked lesbian sex, I would hardly be able to rent a movie without risking that there'd be several scenes with some g/g interaction. Since men's tastes direct most porn, we have a much lower risk of ending up seeing something we don't want to see (arguably that is changing too, with piss, a2m, dirty anal, quadruple penetration and whatnot).
According to the Church of Political Correctness, the first sentence in your post means you're a wonderful, tolerant person. The second sentence proves you're a homophobe. Any questions?
I agree. But where is the limit for straight sex? Does it become bi or lesbian if two women happen to be kissing or touching in a "straight" movie? And if not, what if guys are doing it?
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Hellhamster. 2947 Posts 10/03
Posted - Aug 3 2007 : 5:41PM
Not wanting to see homosexual sex does not make me a homophobe. I'm not scared of it, just not interested. Edited by - hardware on 8/3/2007 9:30:02 PM
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Hellhamster. 2947 Posts 10/03
Posted - Aug 3 2007 : 5:43PM
I consider any same sex couplings homosexual. Lesbian sex is homosexual. I feel no need to quote the definition. Thought it is aimed at the hetero market humans of the same gender having sex is homosexual no matter how you slice it. EDIT: spelling And. I have no problems, just calling it how I see it and how the dictionary defines it. Edited by - conquistador on 8/3/2007 5:44:25 PM Edited by - conquistador on 8/3/2007 5:45:36 PM
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Hellhamster. 2947 Posts 10/03
Posted - Aug 3 2007 : 9:42PM
From wikipedia homophobia (from Greek ὁμο homo(sexual), "same, equal" + φοβία (phobia), "fear", literally "fear of the equal") is the fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals.[3][4] Several dictionaries also associate irrationality with this type of fear. It can also mean hatred, hostility, disapproval of, or prejudice towards homosexual people, sexual behavior, or cultures, and is generally used to insinuate bigotry.[5] Homophobic is the adjective form of this term used to describe the qualities of these characteristics while homophobe is the noun form given as a title to individuals with "homophobic" characteristics. Some people believe any usage of this term is controversial.[6]
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Hellhamster. 2947 Posts 10/03
Posted - Aug 3 2007 : 9:43PM
Perhaps you need to brush up on your definitions.
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heart pure Deactivated User
66 Posts 7/07
Posted - Aug 3 2007 : 10:02PM
"So what are you afraid of?" is a statement frequently used for the sake of provocation. Homophobe/homophobia are "provocative" terms coined by homosexuals as if homosexuality deserved fear and homo haters were cowards. I have no sympathy for male homosexuality. Some things are just wrong and degenerate and IMO male homosexuality is one of em. However female homosexuality IMO has profound social context in it and should not be dismissed as such.
I can only take such an incoherent statement as sarcasm, but I suggest you use the appropriate icon for those who may take it at face value.
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Hellhamster. 2947 Posts 10/03
Posted - Aug 3 2007 : 10:11PM
Homosexuality can refer to both sexual behavior and sexual attraction between people of the same sex or to a sexual orientation. When describing a sexual orientation, it refers to enduring sexual and romantic attraction toward others of the same sex, but does not necessarily involve sexual behavior.[1] Homosexuality is contrasted with heterosexuality, bisexuality, and pansexuality. Etymologically, the word homosexual is a Greek and Latin hybrid with homo (often confused with the later Latin meaning of "man", as in homo sapiens) deriving from the Greek word for same, thus connoting sexual acts and affections between members of the same sex, including lesbianism.[2] [3] In the English-speaking world, the term gay had been used within the subculture for decades before becoming popularized by the gay rights movement in the 1970s.[citation needed] In a narrow sense, gay refers to male homosexuality, but it often is used in its broadest sense, especially in media headlines and reports, to refer to homosexuality in general. Lesbian, however, always denotes a homosexual woman
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Hellhamster. 2947 Posts 10/03
Posted - Aug 3 2007 : 10:11PM
Heterosexuality is sexual or romantic attraction between opposite sexes, and is the most common sexual orientation among humans. The current use of the term has its roots in the broader 19th century tradition of personality taxonomy. These continue to influence the development of the modern concept of sexual orientation, gaining associations with romantic love and identity in addition to its original, exclusively sexual meaning. The adjective heterosexual is used for intimate relationships and/or sexual relations between male and female individuals, who may or may not identify themselves as straight. Heterosexuality, as an identifier, is usually contrasted with homosexuality and bisexuality. The term straight is used predominantly to refer to self-identified heterosexuals of either sex. Unlike lesbian, there is no sex-specific term that is only used for self-identified heterosexual females.
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heart pure Deactivated User
66 Posts 7/07
Posted - Aug 3 2007 : 10:13PM
So how did you understand it this time? :)
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Hellhamster. 2947 Posts 10/03
Posted - Aug 3 2007 : 10:14PM
Is this confusing? Male-male- sex is gay Sex between men and women i heterosexual. Still confused?
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heart pure Deactivated User
66 Posts 7/07
Posted - Aug 3 2007 : 10:17PM
Nah I was refering to the one who knows to whom I was refering to. He looks like a fun little dude to play with :) Edited by - heart pure on 8/3/2007 10:34:47 PM
No it doesn't. There's a whole other industry devoted to male/male.
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I rock, therefore I am! 131 Posts 6/07
Posted - Aug 4 2007 : 11:05AM
Porn already is inclusive of male-male sex. It's know as gay porn. Secondly, there is nothing worse than people who want to force tolerance and acceptance down others throat. I've found that forced tolerance is just as offensive as bigotry.
I won't to see girls getting fucked and girls having sex with other girls because I like girls. That is what turns me on. Rocco did it years ago in the Ass Collector stuck a brief gay blowjob in the film, why I know not, certainly didn't enhance the film for me in fact had the opposite effect. I certainly would not want to see the running time of my porno purchase knocked down because a gay or bi scene was thrown in. Again for what purpose? If you want to watch gay sex buy a gay flick. In society itself the attitude to lesbianism and homosexuality is very different. In the Uk it wasn't that long ago that you could go to prison for being homosexual, whereas being a lesbian has never been illegal in the UK.
ToneBone writes " Do you ever hear straight guys complaining about the lack of hot chicks in Gay flicks?!." Good logic is a real turn-on for me. Wayne In Dallas
I don't trust men who don't like big tits. 1067 Posts 12/04
Posted - Aug 4 2007 : 8:20PM
Damn getting my FF buttons out, I'm buying as much of TODAYS porn as I can before these "artistic" directors start doing what they want and forcing gay shit on me JUST BECAUSE. Unfucking believable. I mean we hetero men can't even want our porn...oh I don't know...SANS GAY MALE SEX, without being called homophobes.
I want my porn without gay sex. But I also want it without A2M, dirty anal, double-whatever, triple-whatever, spitting, trash-talking male idiots, puking, pissing, abusiveness and the list goes on. My point is, the FF button is something I use quite frequently already. This stuff has gotten worse in the last 5-10 years or so, and I'm starting to see a trend. The occasional bi/gay scene would be less offensive to me than the sheer quantity of some of the crap that has become common today. However, I don't agree with BDG about gay scenes becoming common, I'm actually quite convinced that is not going to happen.
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john45 arthur again
26 Posts 4/07
Posted - Aug 4 2007 : 11:51PM
Straight porn includes homosexual acts between women. So there is already homosexuality in straight porn, albeit only of the female variety. It can therefore be said that the straight porn category is an invented category designed as a marketing tool rather than a category that is reflective of the definition "straight". By strict definition, straight porn should only contain heterosexual acts, not female homosexual acts. Just in answer to leatherdick's post, lesbianism is a form of homosexuality. You can't say lesbianism AND homosexuality. Lesbianism IS homosexuality. Edited by - john45 on 8/4/2007 11:53:48 PM
I don't think people have to. Gay porn (that is porn that's made specifically for gay men) exists. Just about every porn shop I've been to had an exclusively gay section. Bi stuff? I don't know. I'm sure there are more closeted bi men than you might be led to believe by the very fact that they (by definition) don't own up to it. I think they just might be a little upset to be seen buying or renting bi porn, having spent so much time and energy carefully covering up every trace of their being bi. But really. As you can see, there's a whole lot of trouble to be avoided by simply keeping the stuff separated. Why in the world would straight people want to watch gay (or even bi) porn? And vice versa?
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26 Posts 4/07
Posted - Aug 5 2007 : 10:35AM
Random Precision, You'd be surprised as to the number of gay men who watch straight porn. There are also straight men who watch gay male porn. And there are straight women who watch gay male porn. The sexual orientation of the viewer does not automatically match to the sexual orientation of the acts that are being viewed.
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Hellhamster. 2947 Posts 10/03
Posted - Aug 5 2007 : 10:52AM
Why would a straight person watch gay porn? Have any evidence for this? Or maybe watching homosexual porn is your thing?
I will not buy or rent a film with homosexual male sex in it. Homosexual male sex sickens me. I don't want it included in my regular porn. No trannies. No homosexual sex. Just good looking women getting fucked every which way.
But there's already heaps of male-male sex in het porn anyway... a dp is just two guys fucking but a girl happens to be in the way, right? And dap or dvp is obviously so the guys can rub rods together. A gangbang is where a bunch of guys mutually masturbate through the services of a woman. For some real male-male sex, how about Steve Holmes getting afacial... Fergus
It looks fake to me. Maybe Steve Holmes himself can tell if this is real or not. mod: extraneous quote removed/i] Edited by - hardware on 8/8/2007 4:47:12 PM
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228 Posts 5/04
Posted - Aug 8 2007 : 2:52PM
Would you like to see goat shagging? No? That means you're intolerent of beastiality. Male-male action is available, under "gay" not under hetro. mod: snipped the quote - see the Forum Etiquette Edited by - hardware on 8/8/2007 5:47:53 PM