Porn Piracy gets personal... (page 2)

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Philip Member 58 Posts 4/11	Posted - Aug 4 2011 : 7:12AM [Link]
pringles All-Star Member 1351 Posts 2/08	Posted - Aug 12 2011 : 3:42PM Pirate Slayer John Steele Gets Favorable Ruling in FTV v Does (AVN) CHICAGO — Illinois attorney John Steele is a happy (and relieved) camper following a 23-page order issued today by Judge Ruben Castillo in FTV v Does 1-500 that denied every motion filed by 20 John Doe defendants seeking either a dismissal of the charges levied against them or the quashing of subpoenas that have been issued to ISPs seeking their actual identities. more at the link above [Link]
vanessadelriolover Member I woke up today and everything is still everything! 400 Posts 1/09	Posted - Aug 13 2011 : 6:25AM thanks for the article warren. i suppose folks using xhamster, xvideos, or pornhub and places like that ought to be careful or be warned!!! [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Aug 13 2011 : 9:29AM Even if piracy ceases to exist porn will not recover , the reasons for its condition are more profound than that , actually porn piracy is what allowed the develop of the internet and the home media video , and these thing allowed porn to grow. Porn always lived a double life on this , also porn companies owing some tubesites is the other face of the coin what they lose in one way they gain in the other. What is really killing porn is that is not as cool as before , sex is of course , but not porn , also the rates porn pays are lower than what a girl would gain escorting , many stars are leaving porn , and remember you can't maintain an industry alive without the stars they are what make a dvd worth buying a site worth joining. Is there someone who really believe that there are stars who like to be spitted in face and mouth , spanked , hit in face , throated , humiliated in every manner , by words and situations? And this is a regular scene , even those with supposedly teenagers who should show the progressive debauchery of them , actually depicts the same show of any gonzo, rough sex, spanking the turning of the girl like a box rough anal , is it porn? this kind os scenes are wanted only by those who want them and is not the majority of porn consumers , there's a reason for the large number of parodies , in there there's not any crap Porn was and always will be all about fantasy , it once showed beautiful girls , beautiful places , cool people , and sex as a result all was what many consumers dream of , like the neighbor's daughter who is a depraved sex machine and shock you with her unespected skills not a doll to destroy ,right now everything is gone I almost ceased buying only rent , it happens that I don't like almost the 80% of a movie , it's not worth the money to buy it. another point are the escorting services I bet many agents actually prefere their clients to escort rather than to shoot they will earn more with less work , they have just to deal with the agency once get their 20% and wait home the money to arrive rather the to find work for them. there were in there porn stars with a so great attitude I would've swear they were becoming superstars of the highest level , they're gone people trying to force them to do what they won't to by exploiting their need for money and giving them no work to do. Well they escort now , exclusively There are superstar that are not working , I can't believe such stars did only 5 movies in half year and only a couple of scenes for websites. That is not enough to make a living , I can't see them listed in any escort agency so far but I believe she's already doing and I'll find them by the end of the year.There are new girls joining EVERY DAY There were once a true flooding of scenes each time a new starlet came out , now it is even difficult to find their work , what they did, what they're doing, what is up to come But the worst thing of all is that once porn was a dream that any of us could only imagine to get one chick like them and we accepted that thing because of girl's age compared to ours and mostly because the male star was bigger than us and the girl seemed to want it like that. As of now that dream is gone anyone could have them it is only a matter of money. I'm not naive I knew many pornstars were escorting but it rarely was their main activity. Now everything we see is not the work of an actress we're watching hookers in many cases and nobody is interested in watching hookers with their johns. Not me anyway Porn was made with people pretending they like each other and what they are doing , and with us willingly supporting this delusional asset and enjoying it as if we were in there. With a hooker this kind of fiction is gone , nobody would believe a hooker is enjoying sex for a minute everybody knows it is fake from the beginning. The appeal of porn is gone Yesterday I was at my store I picked up a couple of interesting DVDs but when I read all the names I put them down ALL and I repeat ALL of them were escorts. You really still believe that the crisis of porn must be blamed on piracy? It is the whole industry to be reformed , there are pornstars presenting here on ADT , not a DVD out so far and yet they are already escorting , the industry is used to gain a pornstar status to get higher rates and money.And the industry is not getting ANY of all that money. Also considering how much they earn escorting if you want them back you have to pay a lot more than before unless they want to shoot with advertising purposes not wanting to lose their fanbase Piracy has its share of the blame but the industry is blind to what really are its problem EDIT I just discovered one starlet I like a lot , I discovered her in a movie she did and was in awe really cute and great attitude that movie was her last , now she's escorting through an obscure and maybe cheap agency in northern California. I even thought ot was faked but it is unlikely , she was a minor starlet not very known even here , she just did a few movies mostly lez , there's no bait working with her , too few know about her. It's her. dammit she was extremely cute and a very good performer and now all of a sudden she's even not worth a main agency I'm sad Edited by - Laurie Cameron Fan on 8/13/2011 12:36:21 PM [Link]

Hardware All-Star Member Your other left 14594 Posts 3/02	Posted - Aug 13 2011 : 1:01PM Laurie Cameron Fan wrote: Even if piracy ceases to exist porn will not recover , the reasons for its condition are more profound than that , actually porn piracy is what allowed the develop of the internet and the home media video , and these thing allowed porn to grow. Click to expand The VCR is what allowed porn to grow, not the internet. Furthermore, what fueled the growth of the internet was email. [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Aug 13 2011 : 1:59PM ^ I meant paysites there were scenes and actresses you can't find anywhere else , it developed and covered all niches available actually it helped the industry to understand their customers actual tastes , for example in early 2000 years sites like Black on Blondes and Spring Thomas with their incomes forced the industry to cover that niche , yes there were already some IR publication but it was in early 2000 that the IR market begun to explode , I was a Member back then and I had to pay (if I recall well) $ 29.90 for each site , now you can get all dogfart sites sites for $ 24 Brazzers and Naughty America scenes were available only via internet and both developed the MILF niche which is now not that a niche that is what I meant by the Internet , Piracy pushed the interest to the limit , I don't know though if the niche market would have been so big without it , maybe not About emails I don't know I can get an enail in my office or at an internet cafè surely I won't buy a computer nor an internet service only for emails at least not bin 2003, I was thinking more to the chats, ok now almost nobody uses them anymore but before Twitter and Facebook the place to know people were the Chats Mirc or ICQ, I used Mirc Anyway my main point was that piracy is only part of the problem and I don't think it is the biggest Edited by - Laurie Cameron Fan on 8/13/2011 2:49:13 PM [Link]
Solar4 Deactivated User 183 Posts 10/10	Posted - Aug 13 2011 : 8:51PM vanessadelriolover wrote: thanks for the article warren. i suppose folks using xhamster, xvideos, or pornhub and places like that ought to be careful or be warned!!! Click to expand Not really. And they're making the same mistake that the RIAA/MPAA made in going after the low hanging fruit of BitTorrent users. Instead of dealing with the issue in a rational and reasonable way by offering people a cost effective way of acquiring their content. They're engaging in a slash and burn total war approach rooted in greed to make as much money as humanly possible. And in the process they'll have early successes like the MPAA/RIAA did, but people being clever, they'll inevitably find new and more anonymous ways of acquiring the content they want. Which will make it impossible to stop, as happened with mp3 and movie filesharing. [Link]
vanessadelriolover Member I woke up today and everything is still everything! 400 Posts 1/09	Posted - Aug 13 2011 : 9:04PM Solar4 wrote: Click to expand Well here we're not even talking about shoplifting, which is actual theft, we're talking about people sharing already purchased content with each other. Which is merely filesharing. The definition has been so warped though that it is now defined as theft by those who seek to profit from every single use of their content, no matter how limited. And when they're not allowed to do so it becomes wrong in their minds. And it is quite ironic that those in the adult industry are trying to shame others for using their product. Are they then conceding that their product is morally objectionable? Because I'm sure that some in religious community would be quite surprised to find themselves on the same side as those they oppose in the adult industry. Edited by - Solar4 on 8/1/2011 12:14:23 AM Click to expand Solar I agree with you wholeheartedly, beyond the invasion of privacy issues involved here, going after "end-users" will create an incredible amount of ill will in a business already marginalized by mainstream courts (max hardcore case & the john stagliano case amongst others). Further, I think the average Joe or Jane surfing and finding porn at what appears to be a legitimate site (one of the tubes spoken of here) ought to be differentiated by the same Joe or Jane downloading "bit torrents" which most people know is dangerous (to individuals and their computer hardware) and illegal. The one caveat I'd offer here is for the hardcore porn viewers who are on the tubes 5-10 hours a day knowing viewing porn....that would be slightly different. This exception aside, It seems a bit greedy to call end-users of tubes "pirates" especially when YouTube and other sites have popularized "sharing" for many years now. I know porn is losing money, but going after those who maintain these sites is more fair than pouncing on unsuspecting surfers. I don't get that....those who support the industry even tacitly will turn against it in Metallica like proportions times 100 (Lars got himself into a pickle with his hardcore fans by going after folks who illegally downloaded Metallica songs from Napster when Metallica gave away thousands of cassettes for free to get there music heard back in the very beginning of their career). [Link]
Leyden Senior Member The people have spoken. I'm a nitpicking dick. Woo! 8751 Posts 1/04	Posted - Sep 11 2011 : 6:56PM A judge for the the Northern District of Texas sanctions attorney for porn studio Mick Haig Productions for "staggering chutzpah" in sending subpoenas to ISPs without court permission. From the ruling: To summarize the staggering chutzpah involved in this case: Stone asked the Court to authorize sending subpoenas to the ISPs. The Court said “not yet.” Stone sent the subpoenas anyway. The Court appointed [EFF and Public Citizen] to argue whether Stone could send the subpoenas. Stone argued that the Court should allow him to – even though he had already done so – and eventually dismissed the case ostensibly because the Court was taking too long to make a decision. All the while, Stone was receiving identifying information and communicating with some Does, likely about settlement. The Court rarely has encountered a more textbook example of conduct deserving of sanctions. Click to expand Boing Boing and EFF. [Link]
Harri Patel Senior Member #SDNY he's all yours. -- Michael Steele 5110 Posts 3/03	Posted - Sep 12 2011 : 4:43PM That judge talks a good game, but the sanctions he imposed are completely inadequate, in my opinion. The $10,000 sanction and the attorneys fees award to the ad litem counsel will be covered by ten or twelve settlement checks. There is no order that he disgorge the settlements he gouged out of people by issuing unauthorized subpoenas, no restriction imposed on his handling of more cases like this, and no indication that the judge will be referring the matter for disciplinary proceedings before the Texas bar or seeking to have his admission to practice before that particular federal district revoked or suspended. The guy should be put out of business, not given a slap on the wrist and a verbal tongue-lashing. [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Sep 12 2011 : 4:49PM ^ How long all this can continue? [Link]
LubeNLuv Senior Member 1854 Posts 3/06	Posted - Sep 12 2011 : 6:17PM ^^ Most likely, for years to come. Lawyers smell money; they aren't going to stop doing something until it either a) costs them more to pursue than they can make or b) fail so often as to find no other means to pursue. [Link]
Hodel Deactivated User 462 Posts 12/11	Posted - Jan 10 2012 : 6:07PM A real freaking problem. [Link]
elgringoviejo58 Senior Member 1460 Posts 1/07	Posted - Jan 10 2012 : 8:28PM What is a real freaking problem? [Link]

Harri Patel Senior Member #SDNY he's all yours. -- Michael Steele 5110 Posts 3/03	Posted - Apr 3 2013 : 1:20AM pringles wrote: Pirate Slayer John Steele Gets Favorable Ruling in FTV v Does (AVN) CHICAGO — Illinois attorney John Steele is a happy (and relieved) camper following a 23-page order issued today by Judge Ruben Castillo in FTV v Does 1-500 that denied every motion filed by 20 John Doe defendants seeking either a dismissal of the charges levied against them or the quashing of subpoenas that have been issued to ISPs seeking their actual identities. more at the link above Click to expand That was in August 2011. Let's see what's going on with Mr. "pirate slayer" Steele now, shall we? The number of observers watching the spectacularly flailing copyright-trolling enterprise that was Prenda Law has been growing over the past few months. Today, fifteen minutes before the hearing was scheduled, there were already more than a dozen lawyers and observers outside US District Judge Otis Wright's courtroom in downtown Los Angeles. By the time the hearing began, there were more than 40 people in the courtroom. The large group included the guests of honor, Paul Hansmeier and John Steele, the masterminds behind Prenda Law. Prenda is a law firm that has sued thousands for allegedly downloading pornography. Although Hansmeier and Steele ditched a March 11 hearing, they showed up for today's. The two sat close together in court, along with Prenda paralegal Angela Van Den Hemel and Mark Lutz, who has been named as an official at AF Holdings and Ingenuity 13, two Prenda-related companies. Paul Duffy, nominally the principal of Prenda Law, literally ran into court just before the hearing began, red-faced and sweating, before taking his place beside his colleagues. Former Prenda attorney Brett Gibbs, who has distanced himself from the rest of the Prenda crew, was also present. He sat on the other side of the courtroom. Wright had threatened all of the Prenda affiliates (besides Gibbs) with sanctions if they didn't show up this time, but he's likely to take some action in any case. Despite their appearance in court, their lawyers' refusal to answer any questions seemed to anger Wright further. The trend of suing "John Does" over allegedly downloading porn movies began a few years ago, and Prenda Law has become perhaps the most vigorous—and certainly the most controversial—enforcer of such copyrights. Prenda's strategy has been to file lawsuits naming thousands of "John Does," push ISPs for subscriber information as fast as they can, and then push subscribers for quick settlements. And for a few months now, Prenda's scheme has been unraveling. The court’s “focus has shifted... to attorney misconduct” The hearing began with introductions. "Is Alan Cooper here? Any Alan Cooper?" asked Wright, referring to the supposed head of one of Prenda's shell companies. He was not. Philip Baker introduced himself as one of two lawyers representing Paul Hansmeier and said that Mr. Hansmeier was in court as well. "Where?" Wright asked, looking up from his papers. Hansmeier stood, and Wright extended an accusatory finger toward him. "Front row," he motioned. Hansmeier walked forward. Steele was introduced by his lawyers next; he didn't need to be told where he'd sit. He walked forward and joined his old law school buddy. "I am pleasantly surprised that we have everyone here," said Wright, in a tone that wasn't exactly pleasant. "It should be clear by now that this court's focus has shifted from protecting intellectual property rights to attorney misconduct. Such misconduct brings discredit to the profession." At this stage in the game, that kind of misconduct is "of much more concern to the court" than protecting the copyrights of the porn producers that Steele and Hansmeier represent. "I have questions for Mr. Steele," said Wright, in the understatement of the century. "Mr. Steele can choose to answer those questions or not. Same applies to Mr. Hansmeier." Phil Baker, Steele's attorney, stepped forward to the lectern. "At this point in time, if Mr. Steele is called, he's going to invoke his Fifth Amendment right [to not incriminate himself]," Baker said. "The word 'fraud' was used [at the March 11 hearing] and appears on the transcript many times." "It should have been!" said Wright. Baker mentioned some of the other Prenda shell companies that have filed copyright lawsuits, like Ingenuity 13 LLC and AF Holdings LLC, essentially saying there wouldn't be much forthcoming about those either. "Do you think there's a difference between those clients and Mr. Steele?" There is a difference, Baker said, without elaborating. "Well if you say answering those kinds of questions would incriminate him, I'll take you at your word," said Wright. "You leave my client with no alternative," said Baker. Wright sputtered, amazed and again angered that he was faced with lawyers who wouldn't answer the most basic questions about who was profiting from their scheme to sue over porn copyrights. He wanted to know who was in control of the litigation, who was making the money, why the relationships among Prenda entities weren't disclosed, and why the proper procedures weren't followed. "Let's cut to the chase," said Wright. "I want to know if some of my conjecture is accurate." If Steele and Hansmeier weren't going to talk, he was prepared to draw his own conclusions about what that meant. "This is an opportunity for him to protect and defend himself," said Wright. "I'm not going to go through the charade of asking him questions he's not going to answer." "He's not going to answer your questions," said Baker. Neither was Hansmeier, said another lawyer. It was clear the hearing wasn't going to go very far, with the players Judge Wright was most interested in having clammed up and lawyered up, fearful of criminal charges. At that point Heather Rosing (a lawyer representing Prenda Law), Prenda paralegal Angela Van Den Hemel, and Paul Duffy stood up. Rosing had a presentation for the court, she explained—several minutes of legal argument—and her clients had a right to be heard. "Excuse me?" Wright shouted, incredulous. "They're giving up that right! I'm looking for facts here, I really am. Who directs the litigation here in California? Who decides if a case is settled? For how much money?" Wright's barrage of unanswered questions came forth in a stream: "Do you know if there's another Alan Cooper? What happens to the settlement money? Why weren't notices of related cases filed? You have the same plaintiff, the same film, the same causes of action—and they're not related? Excuse me? And who decided not to disclose that the law firms have a financial interest?" "There's not any interest—" began Rosing. "Excuse me?" Wright interjected. "Did you read Hansmeier's deposition?" She had. "The money goes to Prenda Law's bank account," said Wright. "This is a legal argument, with some objections—" Rosing started. "We're done," said Wright. He stood up and walked out of court. “The whole team showed up, and they refused to play.” Team Prenda began leaving the courtroom as quickly as they could. In a mission I knew would be in vain, I followed, telling Steele and his lawyer who I was and asking if they would say something about the proceedings today. Steele threw me a casual "no comment" without even turning around. Morgan Pietz and Nick Ranallo, who are representing the same John Doe defendant in the Ingenuity 13 case before Wright, gathered with observers and allies in the hall afterward. "I was expecting to be here all day," said Pietz. "The whole team showed up, and they refused to play. Or, they forfeited the game." It will be difficult, if not impossible, for Steele and Hansmeier to pursue any of their copyright cases. Their porn-trolling operation is likely coming to an end, and several questions remain: What will the repercussions be? And what will it mean for the next group of folks who decide that turning sleazy movies into copyright threats could mean an easy buck? Ken White at Popehat has a post thoroughly running down all the types of sanctions that may be available here. Some of them would actually be tricky to use. But Steele and Hansmeier may well be referred to their state bar associations for investigation, or the US or Circuit Court Bar Associations. And Wright could sanction them under his own "inherent authority" as a federal judge. In any case, Wright seems determined to get some of the basics answered. Who made the money, and what rules were broken? After dozens of lawsuits and perhaps thousands of victims, the public has a right to know as well. Click to expand The preceding article was written by Joe Mullin for arstechnica.com The original article has a number of links to preceding stories, all of which are well worth checking out. [Link]
LubeNLuv Senior Member 1854 Posts 3/06	Posted - Apr 5 2013 : 8:45AM Thanks for the post. Steele and his clients are no better than the pirates they claim to be fighting. I don't think coercive blackmail is any better than illegally downloading porn. [Link]
Harri Patel Senior Member #SDNY he's all yours. -- Michael Steele 5110 Posts 3/03	Posted - May 7 2013 : 10:32PM Judge Wright imposes $81,000 in sanctions on Prenda lawyers, refers them for criminal prosecution and disbarment. I don't really get the necessity of being "cute" with all the Star Trek bullshit, but it's nevertheless great that he lowered the boom on them. [Link]
draghixafan Senior Member Less identical crap, more sleaze and bush! 2378 Posts 7/09	Posted - Jul 10 2013 : 8:45PM LCF wrote: Even if piracy ceases to exist porn will not recover , the reasons for its condition are more profound than that , actually porn piracy is what allowed the develop of the internet and the home media video , and these thing allowed porn to grow. Porn always lived a double life on this , also porn companies owing some tubesites is the other face of the coin what they lose in one way they gain in the other. What is really killing porn is that is not as cool as before , sex is of course , but not porn , also the rates porn pays are lower than what a girl would gain escorting , many stars are leaving porn , and remember you can't maintain an industry alive without the stars they are what make a dvd worth buying a site worth joining. Is there someone who really believe that there are stars who like to be spitted in face and mouth , spanked , hit in face , throated , humiliated in every manner , by words and situations? And this is a regular scene , even those with supposedly teenagers who should show the progressive debauchery of them , actually depicts the same show of any gonzo, rough sex, spanking the turning of the girl like a box rough anal , is it porn? this kind os scenes are wanted only by those who want them and is not the majority of porn consumers , there's a reason for the large number of parodies , in there there's not any crap Porn was and always will be all about fantasy , it once showed beautiful girls , beautiful places , cool people , and sex as a result all was what many consumers dream of , like the neighbor's daughter who is a depraved sex machine and shock you with her unespected skills not a doll to destroy ,right now everything is gone I almost ceased buying only rent , it happens that I don't like almost the 80% of a movie , it's not worth the money to buy it. another point are the escorting services I bet many agents actually prefere their clients to escort rather than to shoot they will earn more with less work , they have just to deal with the agency once get their 20% and wait home the money to arrive rather the to find work for them. there were in there porn stars with a so great attitude I would've swear they were becoming superstars of the highest level , they're gone people trying to force them to do what they won't to by exploiting their need for money and giving them no work to do. Well they escort now , exclusively Click to expand Excellent post LCF, very interesting and many of my thoughts exactly too.. Just received an email today from my favourite handjob site which I complained had lost its way and now had fucking in their scenes, he told me he also much preferred the earlier days but everyone demands hardcore today and the star I suggested he rebook said she exclusively escorts now. I remember when someone first mentioned a pornstar escorting and I was stunned! I had genuinely never made the connection and always considered them separate and much of the appeal in porn that she was unattainable and that was part of the fantasy.. Another aspect that concerns me greatly is prevalence of aggression and hardcore nature of the bulk of porn today. Over time I have been desensitized sure, but I started back in softcore magazines where they didn't even show pink bits and over the years have seen my fair share of porn.. But today with the Internet and today's porn, kids can see a girl getting as you said degraded and often her showing little enjoyment right from the beginning (and don't want to derail but the argument that porn can be a bad influence on the treatment of women etc. in this regard I think could be argued does carry some weight), and with that as an introduction and base perhaps much sooner than I did looking for when is she doing hard/rough or anal/DP/gangbang/bukkake etc.. So it is even more understandable that girls are escorting now. My dream would be Sophi Santi, one of the most beautiful girls ever, elegant with a perfect body and initially a sexy smattering of tattoos and I was stoked she started doing boy/girl, but did a pretty disgusting bukkake scene that I felt didn't suit her and she clearly did not enjoy, looking completely miserable with the cum on her face (don't get me wrong I enjoy this fetish if the girl at least given the circumstances looks like she kinda does) then disappeared, and since found she escorts.. Understandable choice between as opposed to when the scenes were genuinely erotic with her genuinely enjoying the sex, to today when the girls are as you said and as someone else said in another forum that 'their gay flatmate commented today's straight porn is almost more gay than gay porn', with so much attention payed to the dude fucking, and the girl almost just used as a sex toy. Understandable she chooses to escort, if I had her for an hour I would worship her and do everything in my power to make her cum.. Edit: As I miss being able to spank to those old odd porn scenes finishing with the girls beautiful intact/untouched face in pleasure. My point and fear being this maybe a dangerous cycle that is just going to continue to get worse? Edited by - draghixafan on 7/11/2013 12:15:38 AM [Link]
hoochimama Deactivated User 1438 Posts 5/10	Posted - Jul 12 2013 : 6:59AM ^A cycle implies you eventually go back to an earlier stage, and that's what happens for me, when I get bored of the extreme stuff I go back to artsy nudes and softcore stuff, all things in moderation. Having grown up in the pre-internet VCR era I also wonder what it's like for kids nowadays, access to all of the internet's porn as soon as they're old enough to have a pc or a smartphone. Chances are that it's no different than the magazine-only generation worrying about kids getting to see adult materials on tv/tape, or the brothel-only generation worrying about kids getting playboy and hustler magazines. draghixxxafan wrote: if I had her for an hour I would worship her and do everything in my power to make her cum.. Click to expand Maybe she should be the one paying you then ________________________________________________ Please ID these girls from PlayboyTV's Foursome show Edited by - hoochimama on 7/12/2013 7:01:43 AM [Link]
Todd Gack Deactivated User "Oh, of course. Todd Gack." 849 Posts 6/12	Posted - Jul 12 2013 : 11:45AM ^^ draghixxxafan wrote: if I had her for an hour I would worship her and do everything in my power to make her cum.. What about you? You don't get to cum? You don't want to cum? [Link]
draghixafan Senior Member Less identical crap, more sleaze and bush! 2378 Posts 7/09	Posted - Jul 14 2013 : 9:09PM hoochimama wrote: ^A cycle implies you eventually go back to an earlier stage, and that's what happens for me, when I get bored of the extreme stuff I go back to artsy nudes and softcore stuff, all things in moderation. Click to expand True, and one cool thing about today's samey stuff that I am thankful for is it forcing me to seek out new porn, where I discovered 70s sleaze and Alpha France sensuality, both before my time I had completely missed. I agree completely on a healthy cycle of moderation, but was talking more about something a bit different... hoochimama wrote: Having grown up in the pre-internet VCR era I also wonder what it's like for kids nowadays, access to all of the internet's porn as soon as they're old enough to have a pc or a smartphone. Chances are that it's no different than the magazine-only generation worrying about kids getting to see adult materials on tv/tape, or the brothel-only generation worrying about kids getting playboy and hustler magazines. Click to expand I dunno, isn't it very different? I could only get softcore magazines with no pink bits and more teasing with less makeup and more bush, today shaved all naked dolled up basically ready to be used sex toys.. though could be an over-generalisation? I still remember how excited we where when got our first mag with pink bits. Today any kid can see a girl getting double anal penetrated and bukkaked or whatever immediately... I dunno do kids today watch much artsy nudes and softcore stuff, maybe I am completely out of touch with todays yoof? Because the cycle I meant was more of the line that kids now seeing rough/hardcore/demeaned right out of the gate have that as a basis and want more and harder, girls not enjoying it as much so do less scenes before they escort, short career more pressure to do hardcore in that career, more hardcore scenes in a girls body of work, new kids see that and want more.. cycle continues. As does seem to be shorter careers, and lots of new girls, and constant demand here for when she does anal/dp/gangbang? Or again maybe is more me missing my fav retired girls :( Edit: Also could be a split of artsy softcore girls and hardcore girls, that even with the necessary balance of the artsy nude stuff the hardcore stuff is getting harder, when I would love to see a bit more of the two together like we had back in the classics, just erotic scenarios not full movie plots? Edited by - draghixafan on 7/15/2013 1:26:13 AM [Link]
draghixafan Senior Member Less identical crap, more sleaze and bush! 2378 Posts 7/09	Posted - Jul 14 2013 : 9:22PM Funny that point on Sophia got the attention lol Don't think I have the track record to charge for my services hahaha Of course but no problem for me, would have to work extremely hard the entire hour to ensure I don't cum within the first 5 mins :D This is kind of relevant, from New movie ideas.. not new girls .. draghixafan wrote: Digmen1 wrote: @draghixfan That is what you want to see - more erotic movies where the girl gets aroused and acts sexy. Click to expand WOW!!! Fucking Hell You are actually going to separate that, like its a fetish, wanting to see the girls get turned on??? That's a pretty fucking clear and sad indictment on the porn industry today right there! Click to expand [Link]
Zaxxx Member 96 Posts 1/12	Posted - Jul 14 2013 : 10:59PM vanessadelriolover wrote: thanks for the article warren. i suppose folks using xhamster, xvideos, or pornhub and places like that ought to be careful or be warned!!! Click to expand I don't think this is the case at all. I think a distinction needs to be made between the tube sites, and torrents. A lot of companies post vids on these sites for advertising. (Siffredi, Reality Kings, Naughty America, Brazzers etc). Consider the fact that AVN even recognizes Best Free Porn Site as a fan award. Pornhub was recognized at AVN 2013. It seems to me that it would be hard to crack the whip on people viewing these sites when the industry itself almost encourages their use. I'm not familiar with all the revenue streams utilized in porn, but I'm pretty sure that companies have learned how to play nice with the tubes, and know how to profit off of them. [Link]
killbillvol69 All-Star Member ^Lucy Pinder 18631 Posts 4/08	Posted - Jul 14 2013 : 11:10PM ^ That is all only partially true. Many companies are still fighting the tube sites tooth and nail. And AVN drew a LOT of criticism for the "best tube site" category. When you consider which companies are posting vids to the tube sites, you need to realize that many of them are owned by (or affiliated with) Manwin, the same company that owns the majority of the tube sites - and all of the biggest ones. So they're posting their own material to their own sites. [Link]

Zaxxx Member 96 Posts 1/12	Posted - Jul 14 2013 : 11:40PM ^ Understood. I don't pretend to even begin to understand the inner workings, or politics of the porn industry. I was just trying to say that it would be very difficult to slap an individual with some kind of punitive action for going to these type of sites when at least a portion of the industry are utilizing them as well. [Link]
draghixafan Senior Member Less identical crap, more sleaze and bush! 2378 Posts 7/09	Posted - Jul 18 2013 : 12:40AM @ hoochimama and LCF - Please, I am very interested to hear your thoughts on my replies, if they ring true or are way off the mark on hardcore/escorting and the youth of today? [Link]
hoochimama Deactivated User 1438 Posts 5/10	Posted - Jul 18 2013 : 10:49AM draghixafan wrote: I dunno do kids today watch much artsy nudes and softcore stuff, maybe I am completely out of touch with todays yoof? Click to expand I wouldn't know. What I do know is that people nowadays are exposed to a much higher level of nudity and sex in mainstream media than they were 20 years ago, it isn't just a porn thing. The threshold for acceptable displays of nudity and sex has been raised all around, examples: Game Of Thrones TV nudity, The Witcher 2 videogame nudity draghixafan wrote: Because the cycle I meant was more of the line that kids now seeing rough/hardcore/demeaned right out of the gate have that as a basis and want more and harder, girls not enjoying it as much so do less scenes before they escort, short career more pressure to do hardcore in that career, more hardcore scenes in a girls body of work, new kids see that and want more.. cycle continues. As does seem to be shorter careers, and lots of new girls, and constant demand here for when she does anal/dp/gangbang? Or again maybe is more me missing my fav retired girls :( Click to expand I think those are two separate issues that possibly aren't related: -how having harder stuff available from the start can change a porn consumer's viewing habits. -how porngirls are supposedly running through the porn gimmick ladder faster than before. I think the latter has more to do with the economy's effect on how much competition there now is for the average porngirl and how less money is being spent on the luxury that porn is. More competition and less of a payoff means faster turnouts and more of a need to climb the porn gimmick ladder quickly. At this point starring in porn is possibly just a way to boost your escorting revenue. If you look at the urban modelling/magazine industry most of the women there aren't being paid to feature on those mags, they just benefit from the publicity to boost their own stripping/escorting revenues. As for the former I don't think that just because kids can see rough/hardcore/demeaned porn right out of the gate that it's setting the baseline for them and that they won't watch anything softer than that, they have access to all kinds of content after all, they can choose. Most of us who had only access to the softer stuff as teenagers still overwhelmingly go for vanilla hardcore B/G or G/G. And yet you still have dudes who prefer softcore sex movies(sreviews) or even solo glam stuff(playboyfanforum, meinmyplace) while others go for extreme stuff despite all having grown up on the same shit, people will eventually discover what kind of porn suits them best. IMO the only real effect the availability of all kinds of porn has on newcomers to porn is that they can find what their favorite kind of porn is much faster than we did. ________________________________________________ Please ID these girls from PlayboyTV's Foursome show Edited by - hoochimama on 7/18/2013 10:49:42 AM [Link]
Todd Gack Deactivated User "Oh, of course. Todd Gack." 849 Posts 6/12	Posted - Jul 18 2013 : 11:07AM Not to derail the thread but to piggyback off the last few posts... I believe some kids - of ages we as adults would think are way too young to be doing shit like this - think it's perfectly normal to shoot loads on their girl's faces, including emulating what they see in porn by removing the condom after sex to do so. And I'm only talking about what happens during random hookups. I have nothing to base this on other than my hunch knowing the ease of accessing porn and its evolution to being somewhat mainstream. Would love to hear others thoughts on this. If there's another thread dealing with this topic lmk and I'll repost there. Edited by - Todd Gack on 7/18/2013 11:09:41 AM [Link]
pringles All-Star Member 1351 Posts 2/08	Posted - Oct 31 2013 : 4:38PM Prenda Law's "hacking" suit against ISPs ends in total loss (ARS Technica) Prenda Law sanctioned for the fifth time Prenda's John Steele: Accused of identity theft by his own mother-in-law (ARS Technica) [Link]
pringles All-Star Member 1351 Posts 2/08	Posted - Aug 4 2014 : 11:47AM Prenda Law Must Pay Sanctions - Appeals Court (Xbiz) CHICAGO — The 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals on Thursday affirmed a lower court decision levying contempt sanctions against three attorneys who filed a copyright infringement case on behalf of adult operator Lightspeed Media Corp. In consolidated appeals, the three-judge panel held that an original order calling for $261,000 in sanctions, as well as finding Prenda Law's principals — attorneys John Steele, Paul Hansmeier and Paul Duffy — in civil contempt, were appropriate. Prenda Law for years has been prolific in exacting payments from porn piracy defendants through court-approved subpoenas. [Link]
concave Member 56 Posts 7/14	Posted - Aug 5 2014 : 12:43AM killbillvol69 wrote: ^ That is all only partially true. Many companies are still fighting the tube sites tooth and nail. And AVN drew a LOT of criticism for the "best tube site" category. When you consider which companies are posting vids to the tube sites, you need to realize that many of them are owned by (or affiliated with) Manwin, the same company that owns the majority of the tube sites - and all of the biggest ones. So they're posting their own material to their own sites. Click to expand What was the best tube site? [Link]
killbillvol69 All-Star Member ^Lucy Pinder 18631 Posts 4/08	Posted - Aug 5 2014 : 1:09AM ^ We don't discuss tube site names here, thank you. None of them are "the best", since they're all pirates. [Link]
Bob Cobb Deactivated User 220 Posts 6/14	Posted - Aug 5 2014 : 2:32PM ^^ Why would you even ask here, of all places? Like anything else, Google first. [Link]
TomChoad Member I Likes Ya 685 Posts 1/08	Posted - Aug 6 2014 : 9:52AM This issue needs to be handled directly between the parties that produce the material and those that distribute the material. Leave the courts and lawyers out of it. Once you involve courts in the matter, you open the door to Big Government interfering in people's lives and telling them what they can and can't watch/hear/taste...before you know it, we've become Cuba or China. [Link]

misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Aug 6 2014 : 10:37AM ^Oddly enough, the parties that produce the material and those that distribute the material are often one and the same, so handling it directly should be as easy as looking into a mirror. Edited by - misspornUSA on 8/6/2014 10:37:22 AM [Link]
Bob Cobb Deactivated User 220 Posts 6/14	Posted - Aug 6 2014 : 1:33PM I just stumbled upon this article: http://www.vice.com/en_ca/read/porn-kingpin-steven-hirsch-wants-you-to-keep-using-tube-sites I'd really love to get some feedback. [Link]
Flash Golden Age Classic 11018 Posts 5/01	Posted - Aug 6 2014 : 2:15PM Properly used I think the industry could benefit from them, but that would in my opinion also require that the tube sites take steps to prevent unauthorized movies being made available. One quote from Hirsch that I found interesting was, "What I've certainly seen on these celebrity sex tapes is that we've been able to [take] movies down from the tube sites, and that's because we're working closely with them, and when we see [piracy], we let them know that there's something on there illegally, and they remove it immediately." I don't know if it was poor wording on his part but the take away I got was it was because Vivid worked closely with tube sites that the tube sites remove unauthorized material immediately, indicating that this may not be the case for companies who choose not to work with them. Again this could have just been bad wording on his part. [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Aug 6 2014 : 2:17PM ^^Despite Sophie Saint Thomas' assumption to the contrary, there is nothing "unconventional" about what Mr. Hirsch expresses in that interview. I assume that most adult performers wouldn't agree with Hirsch, but they're not the ones running the industry. Edited by - misspornUSA on 8/6/2014 2:17:32 PM [Link]
Harri Patel Senior Member #SDNY he's all yours. -- Michael Steele 5110 Posts 3/03	Posted - Dec 16 2016 : 3:14PM Steele and Hansmeier arrested; charged with fraud, perjury, and money laundering. [Link]
Mister Fahrenheit All-Star Member Meh 4655 Posts 10/13	Posted - Dec 16 2016 : 3:41PM Interesting thread. Since the link is dead now, here's an archived version of the original article that started the thread. [Link]
onlybalogna Member 720 Posts 10/15	Posted - Dec 17 2016 : 6:13AM sodomyonsunday wrote: isn't it ironic that the free speech coalition is sponsoring this PSA and yet that is precisely what they are adamantly opposed to with the advent of tube sites. Filesharing should fall within the confines of the First Amendment and should not be subjected to litigation. I am against filesharing in principle, but to make it illegal would be a violation of the Constitution. Click to expand Actually it's not against the constitution because of the concept of privately owned intellectual property. The First Amendment only applies to information, not intellectual property. [Link]
pringles All-Star Member 1351 Posts 2/08	Posted - Jan 24 2017 : 1:14PM Prenda Attorneys Enter Not Guilty Pleas (Xbiz) MINNEAPOLIS - Former Prenda Law attorneys John Steele and Paul Hansmeier both faced a magistrate judge in separate arraignment hearings this month. Steele and Hansmeier each pleaded not guilty to all charges included in the 18-count indictment, stemming from their law firm's porn piracy program. Charges included conspiracy to commit fraud, conspiracy to perjure and conspiracy to launder money over a three-year period. [Link]
pringles All-Star Member 1351 Posts 2/08	Posted - Mar 6 2017 : 8:06PM Prenda Attorney Admits Guilt in Porn-Trolling Operation (Xbiz) MINNEAPOLIS - John Steele, the former Prenda Law partner who allegedly made millions of dollars suing hundreds for illegally downloading adult films, pleaded guilty today to conspiracy to commit mail fraud and wire fraud, as well as conspiracy to launder money. Admitting to federal prosecutors in Minneapolis that Prenda Law's operation was a scam, Steele brokered a deal that calls for him to cooperate in the prosecution of others involved, presumably his only co-defendant - Prenda Law partner Paul Hansmeier. Hansmeier, who is suspended from practicing law and recently filed for bankruptcy, has denied similar charges and awaits trial in Minneapolis. In exchange for Steele's plea, prosecutors agreed that they will dismiss 16 other charges against him, including mail fraud, wire fraud and conspiracy to commit and suborn perjury. Steele, with the deal, could be sentenced to 8 to 10 years in prison if approved by U.S. District Judge Joan Ericksen. Without a deal in place, the statutory maximum sentencing on the charges is about 40 years. more at the link above [Link]
Flash Golden Age Classic 11018 Posts 5/01	Posted - Mar 12 2017 : 9:25PM Interesting commentary from Angie Rowntree (of Sssh.com) on a documentary on piracy by Ovidie. [Tweet is no longer available] [Link]
pringles All-Star Member 1351 Posts 2/08	Posted - Aug 17 2018 : 6:55PM Prenda Attorney Changes Plea to Guilty in Porn-Trolling Case (Xbiz) MINNEAPOLIS - Paul Hansmeier, the former Prenda Law partner who was charged with conspiring to extort $6 million from thousands of defendants through porn-trolling lawsuits, has entered a guilty plea in connection with a case involving fraudulent copyright lawsuits. A second attorney, John Steele, also involved in the case, pleaded guilty in March 2017 to conspiracy to commit mail fraud and wire fraud and conspiracy to commit money laundering. Today, Hansmeier pleaded guilty to the same charges - conspiracy to commit mail and wire fraud, as well as conspiracy to commit money laundering. He previously pleaded not guilty in connection with the case. The two counts could spell 20-year prison terms, as well huge criminal fines, per count. He has yet to be sentenced by a federal judge. more at the link above [Link]
Whyspers2Scorpio Senior Member "Pornography: That which excites, whether from approval or disapproval." ~ Leonard Rossite 2342 Posts 12/17	Posted - Aug 17 2018 : 11:42PM Hardware wrote: Laurie Cameron Fan wrote: Even if piracy ceases to exist porn will not recover , the reasons for its condition are more profound than that , actually porn piracy is what allowed the develop of the internet and the home media video , and these thing allowed porn to grow. Click to expand The VCR is what allowed porn to grow, not the internet. Furthermore, what fueled the growth of the internet was email. Click to expand Two things fueled the internet: porn and the military. Sinful Scorpio, Passionate Aries [Link]
pringles All-Star Member 1351 Posts 2/08	Posted - Mar 29 2019 : 4:11PM U.S. DA Recommends 12.5 Year Sentence for Prenda Law Mastermind Paul Hansmeier (Xbiz) As XBIZ has extensively reported, Hansmeier, along with Prenda partners John Steele and Paul Duffy, "created a series of fake entities through which they obtained copyrights to pornographic movies, some of which they filmed themselves and then uploaded the films to file sharing websites to lure others to download them." The attorneys, according to our previous report "would then file fake copyright infringement lawsuits, concealing their own roles in the distribution of the films. Steele admitted to investigators he and Hansmeier would threaten the individuals involved in the fake lawsuits with financial penalties and public embarrassment if they didn't agree to pay a settlement fee." After a plea agreement, Hansmeier changed his initial not-guilty plea to guilty last August. Steele pled guilty in March 2018. Duffy died in 2015 from heart- and alcohol-related conditions. more at the link above [Link]
pringles All-Star Member 1351 Posts 2/08	Posted - May 2 2019 : 1:06PM Victims of 'Porn Troll' Lawyer Urged to Seek Restitution Dollars (AVN) Prosecutors ask victims to file restitution claims against Paul Hansmeier that could add up to millions As Minnesota "porn troll" lawyer Paul Hansmeier awaits a June 4 sentencing date, when if prosecutors get their way he will be looking at spending the next 12 years of his life behind bars, as AVN.com reported, he now may also face paying his victims back for the money that they paid him-to the tune of millions of dollars. Those same prosecutors on Monday called for victims of what they called Hansmeier's "sham pornography film copyright infringement" cases, to seek to get back the money they paid him, according to a report by The Minneapolis Star-Tribune. Federal prosecutors invite victims to claim restitution from scorned lawyer's porn troll scheme (Minneapolis Star-Tribune) "Victims of the scheme who paid money to the following entities including but not limited to Steele Hansmeier Law, Prenda Law, Alpha Law, Anti-Piracy Group, AF Holdings, Ingenuity 13, Guava LLC, Livewire and LW Systems should visit hansmeier.usaocrimevictims.org to obtain information about how to make a claim for restitution in this case." more at the links above [Link]
pringles All-Star Member 1351 Posts 2/08	Posted - Jun 14 2019 : 5:53PM Steele gets sentenced next month. Porn trolling mastermind Paul Hansmeier gets 14 years in prison (ARS Technica) A federal judge in Minneapolis has sentenced Paul Hansmeier to 14 years in prison for an elaborate fraud scheme that involved uploading pornographic videos to file-sharing networks and then threatening to sue people who downloaded them. more at the link above [Link]