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| Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07 |  Posted - Jan 17 2009 : 8:50PMPorn sales like many other things are supposedly down because of the economy. But even before the recent economy slump I kept hearing DVD sales were down. Considering, the length of time all this has been going on I'm kinda surprised I haven't seen much change in the porn biz to try and combat falling sales. But perhaps I'm missing something and changes have been made and I'm not aware of them. On the retail store level I haven't seen much change at all. There are stores who still charge $59.99 for a movie that's over 3 years old and has been sitting in that store the entire 3 years. I'm not seeing much in the way of new sales or deals just the same old deals on old compilations and low quality stuff people tend not to buy. Are the top companies doing anything differently? Are they dropping prices on their products? Is their output the same as it's always been? [Link] |
| Fernandez Deactivated User 781 Posts 12/08 | Posted - Jan 17 2009 : 9:11PM [Link] |
| Ibrox Deactivated User 120 Posts 12/08 | Posted - Jan 17 2009 : 10:44PM Also, here is a thread on Porn Layoffs. They said that Naughty America let a lot of people go. Another thing worth mentioning is that Kylie Ireland is selling Corruption and [ invalid url ] on her website for a fraction of the price I paid for them at a retailer. Not to mention that she autographs her work, which only doubles the value of the DVDs, so you are getting an excellent deal if you buy it through her site. Edited by - Ibrox on 1/17/2009 10:51:38 PM [Link] |
| backdoorman Senior Member Shake for me girl... I wanna be your backdoorman ! 2776 Posts 10/07 | Posted - Jan 17 2009 : 11:06PM [Link] |
| inquisitive Member 162 Posts 12/08 | Posted - Jan 17 2009 : 11:27PM [Link] |
| Porn Addict Member I Shoot Porn 218 Posts 12/05 | Posted - Jan 18 2009 : 12:02AM 1) Pirated movies readily available on torrents for free 2) Pirated movies readily available on adult tube sites for free 3) Poor economy. First thing to go is non-essentials, especially when it's so readily available for free. 4) Shady business practices from adult sites like hidden cross sales, double charges and other things to make a consumer less likely to trust their credit card info online. On one hand, I'm bummed because the industry I've lived off for over 10 years destroyed itself. Over the course of the past decade, it went from releasing lower quantity but quality products to just putting out more than the next guy... kinda like throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks. - PornAddict Click Here to Visit PornAddict.Com [Link] |
| 10000 days Deactivated User Keep on trolling. What a bullshit! Im fucking unstoppable now ... 717 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Jan 18 2009 : 12:22AM [Link] |
| pornfan_2 Member 191 Posts 5/06 | Posted - Jan 18 2009 : 12:26AM BAD QUALITY PORN AT OUTRAGEOUSLY HIGH PRICES How many times I have rented out a movie (where the DVD said $59 as price) only to find out that I fast-forwarded the entire movie without watching anything of interest. [Link] |
| JennaRulez2006 Member The Best things In Life Are Chocolate 732 Posts 11/05 | Posted - Jan 18 2009 : 1:35AM I search out sites for prices on certain titles. There are some I would love to get but I am not about to fork out $30 US and another $7 for shipping. Add 20%-25% to that for the exchange rate and I can buy 5 regular movies for that price at HMV. I am surprised that the video stores are still in business. They charge way too much. All the Vivid, DP, Wicked, Adam & Eve, Evil Angel, Jules Jordan releases all run $39.99 and up here in Toronto at the bigger Adult Video stores that have a better selection. I went to some smaller ones and the selection is garbage and they don't have hardly any from those studios I mentioned. I order from USA retailers from time to time. Movie By Mail, Action DVD are good for thier prices and shipping usually. And they won't send the jewel cases international. they will send the artwork only. That is great so that Canada Customs doesn't open the package for inspection. They don't confiscate it, they just view the movies, make copies for themselves, then charge me the 12% tax on the converted to Canadian amount, plus a $5 handling fee. [Link] |
| Mike Quasar Zero Tolerance Reluctant pornographer 1765 Posts 7/01 | Posted - Jan 18 2009 : 1:53AM [Link] |
| Max Booty Member New Orleans 484 Posts 6/03 | Posted - Jan 18 2009 : 2:09AM [Link] |
| Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07 | Posted - Jan 18 2009 : 2:54AM [Link] |
| Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07 | Posted - Jan 18 2009 : 3:08AM [Link] |
| Derek117 Senior Member 1605 Posts 1/06 | Posted - Jan 18 2009 : 8:38AM [Link] |
HeyNow  Oblivious Gold Star Hey! 5965 Posts 1/03 | Posted - Jan 18 2009 : 10:40AM That wasn't your question. Let's see. It seems like Elegant Angel for example, generates a little extra excitement around their movies - big releases with the biggest stars of the year (Performers of the Year), movies with big shakin' asses (which fans love) and every couple of months (it seems in 2008, probably earlier too) they put out a movie with the first anal scene of some star (Buttwoman with Alexis Texas, Dirty Girl with Kristina Rose, someone else in the Big Wet Asses series) all to generate more sales. Companies like Zero Tolerance seem to have ramped up the amount of compilations they put out. Digital Sin / New Sensations has done this for as long as I can remember. I'd think that a high percentage of their scenes see new life on a compilation DVD - and they are good (the I Love *insert star name here* and various theme lines like Young Girls, Big Tits and Teenstravaganza.) And some studios and directors pile on the newest chicks possible, some pay up high rates of some superstar, most are just doing what they always do, toss out as much as possible and see what sticks. I have no real answer. [Link] |
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| Mr Springer Member You don't do more with less, you do less with less. 61 Posts 1/09 | Posted - Jan 18 2009 : 10:52AM [Link] |
| Mr Springer Member You don't do more with less, you do less with less. 61 Posts 1/09 | Posted - Jan 18 2009 : 10:56AM I (reluctantly) dropped some money on "The Fashionistas" after hearing so much about it at the convention this year. Worth every penny and the wife enjoyed it too! Evil Angel has a new customer. As somebody else mentioned, smaller companies are going to fall by the wayside and the larger companies will stay at the top. At this point, there is too much content and too few buyers. [Link] |
| NewRomancer Deactivated User under THEIR avatar 738 Posts 7/08 | Posted - Jan 18 2009 : 11:06AM It's a great big open market now, and people are no longer forced to endure things the don't want, and are instead voting with their wallets for the things they do... If someone is into bi-sexual red-haired midget 3-ways, someone out there is producing it, so that's where he's spending his money now. [Link] |
| 10000 days Deactivated User Keep on trolling. What a bullshit! Im fucking unstoppable now ... 717 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Jan 18 2009 : 11:38AM The big dogs need to band together and go after torrent sites aggressively. The bads need to learn to shoot rough sex beautifully. So much of porn is lazy. If you can't make sexy hardcore porn like Evil Angel, try a new angle. You ain't gotta lie to kick it. [Link] |
| Len801 Deactivated User 754 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Jan 18 2009 : 11:52AM For one, once screened and rated by the review board you get a certificate and you do not need to get worries about authorities subsequently charging the distributor for obscene content. That is a big plus. Then there is the fact that that certificate sticker on the video/DVD disc pretty much tells consumers that the product is authentic and not pirated, and which greatly reduces the possibility of pirating and all sorts of "shenanigans" on the part of the distributor you chose to deal with. This is the same with hc content as well as mainstream movies. The only negative factor on this distribution stream is that each province seems to have different review boards and distribution companies which greatly increases the "fee" depending how wide you wish to distribute the product. [Link] |
| JennaRulez2006 Member The Best things In Life Are Chocolate 732 Posts 11/05 | Posted - Jan 18 2009 : 12:14PM I love Jada Fire but I refuse to fork over $39.99 plus 12% tax for Squirtwoman that is one dvd. That is just insane. The deal they have is, buy 2 dvd's over $19.99 and get a 3rd one free, free one is lowest price out of the 3. Now me trying to find some good Black Girl/White Guy porn is hard as it is. Last time I was in there I found only 2 titles I wanted to buy. So I didn't bother. Another place nearby where I live had a buy 3 at $29.99 each get a 4th free. They have a small selection. I say prices need to come down. [Link] |
| Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07 | Posted - Jan 18 2009 : 12:49PM [Link] |
| Breeze Member One Smokin Hot Chic 532 Posts 11/08 | Posted - Jan 18 2009 : 12:56PM This is what I hate about retail stores, there is one down the road from me, pretty nice place and I go there to buy toys, lube, maybe rent a movie. But I hate spending any amount of time in there because the store is loaded with "creepy looking" guys and they are always eyeballin me. [Link] |
| Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07 | Posted - Jan 18 2009 : 1:00PM [Link] |
| Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07 | Posted - Jan 18 2009 : 1:08PM [Link] |
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| Mr Springer Member You don't do more with less, you do less with less. 61 Posts 1/09 | Posted - Jan 18 2009 : 1:44PM [Link] |
| JONNYESS Member 217 Posts 12/06 | Posted - Jan 18 2009 : 2:05PM Porn Marketing Guy 1: Jeezus Christ! Sales are down! What can we do about it? Porn Marketing Guy 2: We'll make more movies! Porn MArketing Guy 1: Excellent! You gonna finish that Budweiser? [Link] |
| Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02 | Posted - Jan 18 2009 : 2:10PM [Link] |
| Len801 Deactivated User 754 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Jan 18 2009 : 2:21PM In North America there is too much glut and no one company wants to scale down. Producers/distributors and store retailers don't seem to be speaking the same language at all. Blockbuster does not stock porn product and that's a big slice of the pie. There are very few mom and pop stores left and they know absolutely nothing about porn. The medium-large chain video stores are run by remote control by owners/administrators who hardly ever step in the stores and are clueless as to what people like or want to see. Sales and counter epople are young part-time students who know nothing about Bergman, Fellini, Mario Bava, Kurosawa and even less what an Ananbolic movie is. Everything seems to be ruled by what the product costs and not how many AVN awards the movie has received. So if high-scale distributors like Evil Angel, Private, Vivid, Penthouse charge the local distributor-video retail store a high price for their product the video store owner/administrator passes on it, even though he may be aware the product is of high quality and will have a longer shelf life and will attract a certain type of knowledgeable cliente (which is usually of the minority). The video store owner will buy a 2-3 year old title of mid quality from a smaller outfit if he thinks he can buy it for $12. Even if he rents it 4-5 times he has made his own money back, then he will place it in the "sale" bin for $9.99 or 2 for $15. I can't ever recall a video store outlet that stocked more than one DVD of a hc title. But you will find 20-60 copies of the latest Batman movie in most video stores of small-medium size. Then there is the rental factor. While new releases of mainstream movie is set on a 24-hour return policy, porn movies are usually rented over a period of days (I have seen 3 and even 7 days as of late). So if a renter has taken home the hc movie for the full 7 days, when I am going to ever see it and how many times am I going to visit the store to determine if it's there or not? Since they usyally combine 2-3 titles for a special price, a renter has taken home some 3-4 titles for a period of aweek. What kind of money does the video store owner make on that transaction. Very little, and which pushes him to keep buying lower end product, since he will make even less money if he buys a high end title from major producrs for over $30. Then there is the question of illegal internet download of hc movies which are close to DVD quality, and small time operators who sell you bootleg copies of movies for a measly sum. Porn movies in one form or another have been around for about 4 decades now. The novely is gone, and there is way way too much product available. And everything looks the same. One person does MILF movies, and the following month everyone is churning them out....Everything has been done at one time or another, so the high retail cost of the product just does not justify it buying it any longer, unless it is considered a "keeper" and those are rare. [Link] |
| Ida Lupino Deactivated User 429 Posts 11/08 | Posted - Jan 18 2009 : 3:17PM And the whiners think it should be $15? Amazing. Maybe the girls will take their head-stomps for free. LOL! [Link] |
| wraithlead Member 264 Posts 12/08 | Posted - Jan 18 2009 : 4:04PM Also, I wonder how much used dvd sales cut into this...i mean, i usually have one online membership or another, and those always give you a good way to follow specific people. some of my faves are from getting to download a scene by the girl...as someone before mentioned, shady stuff on box covers, the cover girl not being in it, it being a crapshoot on quality of video, them not explaining some scenes are from other discs which you might already own, sometimes not even saying during the movie or credits which girl is which, (if i read a review here that says that, i won't buy it, cause a lot of porn watching for me is also research for my next dvd), but also, i don't know any of the girls from the box covers, cause i don't always follow the names. so when i go get it, i can't always tell 25 EXTRA dollars worth of value over the one that's used for 14.99...and porn from 2007 is just as good to me as that new vid from 12/09 if i've never seen either one... Maybe they will do something with the online ones to make it a bigger deal when they update. I had a deluxepass membership once, and with a decent hard drive, or some blank dvds, you can load up enough for a lifetime...so it's not worth the continued money month after month. whereas, as much as the greedy porn hoarder inside me hates to admit it, vivid's site that, last time i had a membership was streaming only, would keep me as a member, because i have a lot of stuff on there i've never seen... Or maybe something for the online people that's a contract thing completely separate from the studios who count mostly dvd sales? like the way for video games a few years ago, the consoles didn't compete against the pc based games...you might have a sony ps2 game that wouldn't show on the gamecube or xbox, but it could still show up on a pc, and sometimes have some sort of subsription online play. [Link] |
| the unknown pervert Deactivated User I'd like to stay but I've got a plane to catch. 3243 Posts 5/06 | Posted - Jan 18 2009 : 4:42PM [Link] |
| Len801 Deactivated User 754 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Jan 18 2009 : 4:53PM [Link] |
| nateglass Member I must break you 201 Posts 12/05 | Posted - Jan 18 2009 : 7:42PM [Link] |
| Ibrox Deactivated User 120 Posts 12/08 | Posted - Jan 18 2009 : 8:27PM That being said, I have never been disapointed with any film that has the names "Eli Cross" and/or "Kylie Ireland" anywhere in the credits (cast or crew.) I already own three such videos and I am going to add a fourth to my collection very shortly. I have also been extremely satisfied with the Belladonna films, as well as with any movie that has Melissa Lauren or Sandra Romain or Adrianna Nicole or Delilah Strong or Trina Michaels or Trinity Post or Aiden Starr or Julie Night in them. I would therefore say that, if you really want to get the best bang for your buck, do your homework on IAFD and print out a list of films with these performers/crew members in them. Then, armed with these lists, go to your retailer (web or snail), and ask for these videos. For those who have had problems ordering over the web, in my experience, if you go to a retailer and you very clearly know what you want (name of the video, company,producers/directors, date released, performers) and don't take no for an answer, they will order it for you. You might have to wait a couple of weeks--and, if you are ordering any of the films available at KylieIreland.com, you will also be paying lots more for them--, but, in the end it is worth it. Put it this way, you wouldn't walk into a car dealership without having done your homework, would you? IAFD is like the Carfax of the Adult Industry, (only probably more reliable since, unlike Carfax, they do not warn users to get a second opinion by a qualified mechanic before making a purchase.) The trick to being a satisfied customer of the adult industry is being a smart customer of the adult industry. This means knowing what you want and what video to find it on. [Link] |
| Breeze Member One Smokin Hot Chic 532 Posts 11/08 | Posted - Jan 18 2009 : 8:53PM I read your blog entry and you are not well informed (simply in my opinion), your best writing is in the last paragraph, I hope you don't mind that I quote it,Now for all of you guys who do not visit brick and mortar stores, there is an endless supply of films to stock, so many in fact that brick and mortar stores simply lack the shelf space to stock them. Compilations and Catalog movies are SO profitable that the high price for new releases is simply a deterrent to purchase those films. If I were a retailer I would bet that I could buy comps and catalogs at such a low price I could easily make a 400% profit and still give the customer a good deal. The majority of current "gonzo" is nothing but new release comps. When I say this I mean it is a short scene with a particular theme, like say Anal. If you just want to watch girls get pounded in the ass as a consumer, you can save a great deal of money buying an anal themed compilation rather than the latest and greatest Ass Fucking Frenzy (not sure if that is a legitimate title or not, I hope it is not). The quality is similar. Who says porn sales are down? I know of one retail company where porn sales are UP and consistently go up year after year. Manufacturers might be down because they are competing with every swinging dick who has a video camera. So retail stores and internet consumers both have more product to choose from. Here is a good theoretical example, say there is a demand for movies with Midgets Getting Fucked While Wearing Fur Coats. Only one manufacturer makes these films and times are good, but other manufacturers see this and they start making lines with Midgets Getting Fucked While Wearing Fur Coats. The customer base does not expand. The customer choice does. So the original manufacturer starts to lose money on this highly profitable line due to competition. Porn sales are down for the manufacturer but not the retailer (internet or brick and mortar). Back to your blog about preview room pricing, Preview Rooms are NOT cheap to operate contrary to popular belief. Preview Rooms differ from Adult Arcades and Adult Theaters. Preview Rooms are usually larger and more comfortable than a whack booth or a theater seat. Preview Rooms are designed to allow a customer to view a movie that he probably cant watch at home. There is just something different about watching a movie on a Television in a comfortable environment than watching it on a computer screen. You mention in your blog about "small fees" for janitorial, the fee's are not small for the retail stores who take the lead and offer 24/7 janitorial services, heating, a/c on the square footage, not to mention the taxes. In "Brick and Mortar" any smart retailer calculates profits based on square footage. Preview Booths are usually at the very bottom of that calculation and the space could be used better financially speaking. Preview Rooms are nothing more than a service to the customer and hopefully the wanker will buy a bottle of lube or something else. When it comes to Arcades, some are profitable and some aren't. Some guys don't want to spend 10 dollars to watch a movie (a number I just pulled out of my ass and not a real number), they just want to see something for a few minutes and they get a variety of films to choose from. Magazine Sales still top the dollar per square foot volume sales, as a retailer you can display a large number of magazines in a small area. Lotions and Lubes are the next best profitable area for retailers, same concept. Small Display area, high volume and larger profit margins than magazines. Toys make up the 3rd place when it comes to profits for adult retailers, but again, that market has become over saturated. There are many of the same products from china in different packages. Rentals come fourth, when you can resell the same product it is damn near pure profit. But when you rent a comp or catalog video it IS pure profit. New Releases make up a large majority of rentals but a retailer has to rent so many of them out just to break even and then people don't return them, I would imagine that it is a big pain in the ass with new releases. There are only so many people in a demographic area who are interested in certain new releases. Movie Sales actually rank dead last in a retailers profitability per square foot margin. The people who actually want to own a movie for collectability are probably right here posting on ADT. MOST movie sales are made by customers who buy a porn once in a blue moon, or for bachelor parties. They don't want to blow the 50 bucks for a new release and split with a comp very happy to have saved the money. So who says Porn Sales are down? Nateglass, I really didn't want to bug your blog, it is good reading, I just wonder where you get your sources from? And the monopoly you speak of is not made up by Brick and Mortar stores or organized crime but by city zoning laws. Brick and Mortar stores have fought ferociously every day to keep their doors open and will continue to do so. [Link] |
| Knuckle Kids Deactivated User 287 Posts 4/08 | Posted - Jan 18 2009 : 9:37PM [Link] |
| mrhector Senior Member 5084 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Jan 18 2009 : 11:43PM I'm reading that 3-D TV technology (both with and without wearing the glasses) was the 'big' news at last week's Consumer Electronics Show. [Link] |
| nateglass Member I must break you 201 Posts 12/05 | Posted - Jan 19 2009 : 12:17AM You say that sales aren't down, but you cite one business as your basis for that. I've visited over 1000 adult video stores in the past year as part of my job, and the overwhelming majority are seeing declines. Even retailers like Dreamers in Texas (the best adult video chain in the country IMO) are seeing a decline (albeit smaller than most others). [Link] |
| Breeze Member One Smokin Hot Chic 532 Posts 11/08 | Posted - Jan 19 2009 : 12:34AM [Link] |
| nateglass Member I must break you 201 Posts 12/05 | Posted - Jan 19 2009 : 12:35AM Do you have ANY experience in adult retail? [Link] |
| Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07 | Posted - Jan 19 2009 : 1:09AM No movie should cost more than about $25 bucks unless it's a double disc. The inventory should always be moving. You shouldn't walk into a store and the inventory is the same as it was 6 months ago. The theory that stores keep the price high so they can rent that movie mulitple times may be true of some stores but most of the ones I see have the high mark up on movies they only have for sale. It's a crazy practice since so many people are aware they can get that stuff for half the price if they order online. I'd be more willing to pay a few bucks extra to buy it from a store than order it online but not if it costs almost twice as much to do so. I think porn biz could increase their numbers if they and the retailers abandon the old business model that's 30 years old. [Link] |
| The Porn Doctor Member 218 Posts 7/07 | Posted - Jan 19 2009 : 4:48AM [Link] |
| Breeze Member One Smokin Hot Chic 532 Posts 11/08 | Posted - Jan 19 2009 : 8:19AM [Link] |
| gotporn Member Blithering Birthers 207 Posts 12/05 | Posted - Jan 19 2009 : 12:25PM It is obvious that the old models of retail are in serious decline and a new business model is needed. Filesharing and downloading have been embraced by consumers but have been resisted by all content industries. (and that's not just because of the free content, it's a superior distribution platform) Just like the record industry the porn industry follows the same mold with bundled product and the only option for consumers was to buy an entire DVD even if there was only one song or one scene that the consumer found worthwhile. So starting with the buffet approach would be a big improvement. A better business model would allow consumers to dl all the content they want at a premiere price tier. Lower tiers with reduced limits for price conscious consumers. All of this on a platform which insured broad content in an organized catalog where consumers could easily find the content they most want. With a porn portal, like ADT, that studios feed content thru instead of a million different websites. Partnering with ISP's is another crucial component of the new model. ISP can be incented to provide the policing of content by limiting the transfer of files through license verified channels. So that's my 2 cents. Edited by - gotporn on 1/19/2009 12:29:56 PM [Link] |
| Haze Deactivated User 769 Posts 7/04 | Posted - Jan 19 2009 : 12:52PM [Link] |
| NewRomancer Deactivated User under THEIR avatar 738 Posts 7/08 | Posted - Jan 19 2009 : 1:10PM Hear hear! Especially considering that no one has a hope in hell of stopping file-sharing ever... There will always be holes in so-called security that someone will prise open and fileshare through... better to find a way to exploit that, than try to cling to outmoded distribution methods. [Link] |
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