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Cloudburst
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Posted - Mar 28 2014 : 10:23PM
I have probably hundreds of GB's of wasted space on my HD due to many porn scenes having 10, 15, even 20 minute long intros, interviews, or dumb plots before the action actually starts. Why do so many directors do this, and what is the point besides making the file you download that much larger? Do that many people (largely straight male viewers) really watch this crap? Unless it's something really interesting 95% of the time I skip straight to the blowjob or sex, I don't get it.
Edited by - Cloudburst on Mar 28 2014
Cloudburst
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Posted - Mar 28 2014 : 10:24PM
*error: clicked reply instead of edit
Edited by - Cloudburst on 3/28/2014 10:25:51 PM
jayo All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Mar 28 2014 : 10:39PM
I mostly watch DVDs, so if they set the chapters intelligently (Girlfriends Films does this), you can skip past it if you want, or it's there if you want, so they serve both people.
If it's that bothersome to you, why not get some video editing software and cut out what you don't like? That way it'll be tailored just for you.
Cloudburst
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Posted - Mar 28 2014 : 10:46PM
Do you know of any decent editing software that's free and easy to use?
Edited by - Cloudburst on 3/28/2014 10:46:30 PM
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Posted - Mar 29 2014 : 1:22AM
I just use Windows Live Movie Maker. It came with Windows 7 but unfortunately is not on Windows 8. Nero is okay but you have to pay for that one, but it's only about $40. Both are fine for the amateur editor.
I taught myself on WLMM because I was in the same boat. I hated having to fast forward all the time. By editing all my porn I get just what I want.
 
TairyHesticles
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Posted - Mar 29 2014 : 4:03AM
i think a nice tease intro is never a bad thing because it introduces the woman to the viewer and shows her beautiful body from all different angles. it's also great if i can't watch the actual sex scene itself because of various reasons (male performer, bad camera angles, etc..)
i hate it when a scene doesn't have a tease and the director mainly films genital closeups and fails to capture the whole beautiful body of the lady.
since a decade it's all about the backside of a woman for gonzo directors. foucs on other parts is so short and it's such a shame if the woman has great tits or hips it's not shown during the scene. what a waste.
funjack
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Posted - Mar 29 2014 : 5:08AM
^ I'm with you on this, a good tease/interview can enhance the whole scene.
Cloudburst, I used to not get it also. I mean why would you buy porn and then just watch at girls walking, dancing, stripping, talking, etc. You can watch that everywhere! That's why I used to buy those (4h) compilation DVD's, where they cut off all the "boring" stuff and go straight to the action. But now I don't see myself buying complications ever again (I even sought out the full version for most of the scenes on those DVD's I own).
Those intros set the stage for the action to come, getting you into a state of anticipation. Also when the girls bodies are shown off you create a sort of mental picture in your mind. Later on in the scene when there are some close-up's you can fill in the blanks so to speak.
And if for example the girl stated she likes doggy during an interview and later during the scene they prepare for doggy while she cracks a smile at the camera, that's just priceless.
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Posted - Mar 29 2014 : 10:31AM
It depends on the scene and the DVD , I mostly watch DVD but every now and then I get some memberships to get material not available on DVD.
I hate the Presentation I mean the star showing her body and stuff prior of a scene when the scene has no plot at all , I'd like to be able to skip it from the menu of the DVD.
I really like DVDs with a plot no matter how dumb it adds to the scene especially when you relate all the vignettes of a DVD into a given plot , for example Lisa Ann's Black Out 2 took place in a jail it involves some spots of the jail an office , a shower , the infirmary and so on and although the scenes aren't strictly related between them it looks like a day in such Jail , it involves only interracial this time but could have been all white too.
There was an intro for each scene but no teasing aside maybe Skin Diamond but she was half clothed and was playing a nurse not teasing directly the viewer then an emergency occurred
I liked that, a lot
Edited by - LCF on 3/29/2014 10:34:02 AM
Gore Gore Girl All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Mar 29 2014 : 10:35AM
Because it provides context for sex, and is erotic.
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Posted - Mar 29 2014 : 11:41AM
If you're a guy (I suppose some women too), who is young and has all the hormone levels pegged on the meters, 1 second of bare tits and ass is all the context and build-up you need.
I would be inclined to agree with you except that I've found very little porn that's "erotic" to me in that sense. I do like something more than just the zipless fuck. But almost nobody does the stuff I find interesting, or it's just not the cocktail that works for me. Trimming fat ends up making a better steak.
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Posted - Mar 29 2014 : 11:43AM
^ Most of the guys I know prefer some set up and context. I guess everybody is different. It sounds like you would like well-executed context, and not badly-executed context. Same here.
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Posted - Mar 29 2014 : 11:55AM
I'd continue this except that I feel like I'm hijacking the thread.
I've used free or trial versions of various things with middling results. WMM does work once you get the hang of it, but "getting the hang of it" is the hard part of learning most software. But I agree with the others--give it a shot and see if you can make it work for you. If not, try download.com or Tucows or wherever you go for freeware/cheap shareware, and look for highly-rated video editors with a trial period. You should be able to find something you'd like.
pat362
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Posted - Mar 29 2014 : 12:02PM
Hopefully the OP can reply to this but is he talking about gonzo porn or feature porn? I mean I don't call what happens prior to the sex scene in a feature porn film an intro because these types of movies are trying to tell a story but where we get to see the performers have hardore sex while gonzo porn is concentrating on showing as much sex as possible with as little story as possible. These days a lot of gonzo movies have long intros showing the girl prancing around in various form of undress before jumping both feet in to the sex and that is annoying because I think it's laziness on the part of directors rather than them trying to give the viewer's his money's worth.
ninja1
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Posted - Mar 29 2014 : 2:24PM
Actually I watch porn expressly for the "prancing around" part, as it's the next best thing to full-fledged tease/solo scene, which nobody makes any more. Well there is JBvideo.com but their output is paltry and they rarely shoot the pornstars I want to see. Gonzo porn producers' stock-in-trade is sucking/fucking, and they are decidedly inept (IMO) at anything else. So, the intro tease stuff seems to me like they treat it as throwaway material that nobody will watch. The editor feels compelled to spice it up (aka fuck it up) with all manner of needless special effects, thereby ruining it for those few of us who would actually appreciate it. Oh well, just a harsh reminder that porn is intended for a certain audience, which doesn't include me. So...if viewers such as pat362 regard it as unwanted time-wasting filler, and if the producers regard it as boring stuff which requires massive amounts of extra enhancements to make it tolerable, and viewers like me think it's so badly botched as to be unwatchable, why do they bother?
We can't please everyone, so let's displease everyone ?
Edited by - ninja1 on 3/29/2014 2:28:01 PM
Dragon Sign
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Posted - Mar 29 2014 : 2:48PM
This is why I like to be updated in the matters of who's behind the camera, because that matters a whole lot more than I used to think way back when the girls took all focus. They say education is important. This is a type of education mattering a lot even when it comes to private comfort zones and not just as a key to whatever the fuck's acchievement. This is the study they never took pride in these fellas bragging about what's hot and not missing the target big time.
 
rlankford
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Posted - Mar 29 2014 : 2:55PM
I drop scenes into an editing program, cut out the stuff I don't like, clean up original edits, smooth out and fix audio issues and add some music. On average I end up cutting scenes by 20-30%. Most of that comes from the intros.
charn
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Posted - Mar 29 2014 : 7:05PM
I was a prolific scene/idea writer for a while. Sometimes I skipped the sex because I was more interested in stories developed in intros. Then I stopped watching porn. Now as I watch porn again and trim my collection, I realize most of those stories are not worth watching twice. I might eventually learn how to edit video with linux, but right now bad porn does not seem worth the effort. I chuck it and keep a list of old gonzo and site memberships I might eventually buy.
Cloudburst
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Posted - Mar 30 2014 : 3:30AM
For a neo-luddite like myself how hard would you say WMM is to "get the hang of" in terms of editing out prolonged porn scene intros?
Edited by - Cloudburst on 3/30/2014 3:31:29 AM
Cloudburst
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Posted - Mar 30 2014 : 3:35AM
Gonzo. I expect that the feature/romance movies have prolonged intros. But what I really hate is how in gonzo scenes they can sometimes take up a third (or even HALF) of the fucking scene. Like I said earlier maybe I'm missing something here but the large majority of straight guys watch porn to see sex, not the girl talking about herself or prancing around or doing some dumb 10 min long striptease.
pat362
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Posted - Mar 30 2014 : 11:08AM
^I can think of two reasons why gonzo porn has that.
1-Lack of originality from modern porn producers means that since they aren't sure what to add or remove from a scene than they put as much as possible in the hopes that they hit the target often enough to satisfy the majority of porn fans. I suspect that if it wasn't for modern technology than that would not be possible because we can now skip over the parts we don't like and therefore most people go to the parts they want as opposed to watch all the scene.
2-Money is the other reason since porn is now filmed with digital cameras so producers don't have to worry about the cost of film print. That means that a 40 minute scene doesn't cost them more than a 20 minute scene and the bonus is that they don't have to pay anyone to edit the scene down. Cost of transfer to dvd may be a little higher but only if they have too many long scenes requiring more than one dvd. Mind you sell price is higher when they have more than one dvd so producers make more money.

Edited by - pat362 on 3/30/2014 11:36:03 AM

jayo All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Mar 30 2014 : 1:45PM
Not long. It's just learning the interface. The main things are:
1. open the video you want to edit in the timeline.
2. Select the place where you to cut it. Think of it being like a long roll of film, and you're going to make various snips between the frames. The length of film between snips is usually called a Clip (Windows may have a different name for it, but Clip sounds right).
3. Delete the parts between snips that you don't want. That's usually a matter of clicking on the clip to make it active, and then hitting the delete button.
4. Play the movie to make sure it looks the way you want.
5. Export it as your new movie (i.e. reassemble and save it).
If you want to do more fancy things, like edit the sound separately, add effects between clips, and so on, that takes more effort. But I would guess you would have the basics down pat in half an hour.
I can relate--I don't have much patience for learning new software anymore unless it's something I'm really excited about, and that's rare. But I can (and do) basic editing and it's easy. Most video editors I've seen work on the same basic principle I outlined above. It's just getting used to the interface and finding the commands to do it.
You might check around--there ought to be some YouTube tutorials on how to do exactly what you're after (except they'll use family vacation videos intead of porn as their samples).
Edited for clarity
Edited by - jayo on 3/30/2014 1:48:06 PM
ninja1
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Posted - Mar 30 2014 : 2:09PM
If someone is seriously considering getting into editing, I suggest you have a second computer. Use your most powerful computer for doing editing, and use your other computer for doing ordinary stuff while the editing computer is processing.
Cloudburst
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Posted - Mar 30 2014 : 2:51PM
I remember reading somewhere a few years ago that editing video can cause "wear and tear" or possible issues on a computer since it uses a lot of power, is this true?
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Posted - Mar 30 2014 : 3:17PM
^
Any editing of audio and video demand a lot of power but it depends on what you want from it , dual core computers have less issues especially 64 bit ones.
But, again, it depends on what you want to do.
Linux Mint have lots of software for the editing , Linux 64 Studio is especially designed for the editing containing Cinelerra the most advanced software for editing video available on Linux but it's not user friendly , there's also Openshot but I never used it so far.
Avidemux is a free editor but works especially for converting files , can cut parts of a movie and can also add some, there's a windows version of it. it's free
I use a mix of everything including two non free programs for windows such as Easy DVD creator and AVS Video converter , but they are old versions
ninja1
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Posted - Mar 30 2014 : 3:30PM
^^Video editing requires a lot of processing power. The extra power load is not "wearing out" your computer, since there are no moving parts involved in the processor. But processing power devoted to one task becomes unavailable for doing another task. Think of it in terms of multitasking. Normally a computer is easily capable of doing numerous low-power and moderate-power tasks simultaneously. All is well: Videos play smoothly, web pages open quickly, spreadsheets re-calculate rapidly, etc. But if you add a high-power task to the mix (such as video editor rendering), something has to give. Maybe your spreadsheet takes an extra second or two. Maybe that webpage is less snappy. Maybe that youtube video becomes a little choppy. Depending on the type of activities you normally do, a small or big performance hit may be unimportant. It all depends on your needs and your expectations.
And as LCF pointed out, it depends on the specs of the computer. If you have a high-power 64-bit computer with fast multiple-core processor, then possibly this whole area of discussion is immaterial.
Edited by - ninja1 on 3/30/2014 3:34:43 PM
 
jayo All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Mar 30 2014 : 4:35PM
A lot of that is also going to depend on the size of the files you're editing--length, resolution, etc., and how much you're asking it to do. Yeah, it may bog down your system, but a lot of it will be the length of time it takes to do the final export. A faster computer will get it down in a shorter amount of time.
I've done simple video editing on various computers, and I've never owned a screaming system. You just have to be patient.
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Posted - Mar 30 2014 : 5:19PM
A laptop would come in handy as the second computer IMO. I haven't edited any video in my life but even not I can tell you that having a second desktop computer in your office would take up space that you need for cutting checks to pay bills, review paper documents, etc. at other times. A laptop can be folded up, placed in its case and put away at those times.
Also, I have heard that editing digital video requires more power (i. e. RAM, processor, power block) than most uses. Plan to pay $600-$700 or so for a computer with 8GB RAM, Intel i3 or i5 dual or quad core processor (preferably the latter, i7 is more powerful yet but costs more and probably unnecessary) and a very large hard drive (one TB minimum, two TB would be nice) with the extra drive bay to install a second hard drive as the first fills up with videos. Dell's business computer site had some in that price range when I looked last night (Dell Computer Sales Site). My elderly mother has a Dell and it has served her well for over three years now. She bought a kit including keyboard, mouse and monitor (nice monitor as well, it has a 23 inch screen) but the price I quote is just for a computer. A monitor is about $100-$250 depending on the size. A keyboard and mouse usually come with the computer. From what I can gather the specs quoted should work, you will have get advice on editing suites from someone else as I don't know enough about it to advise.
Edited by - mharris127 on 3/30/2014 5:23:59 PM
xihtug
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Posted - Mar 31 2014 : 12:19AM
Ive edited the videos and its not rocket science. Im using a laptop that is far from high end btw
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Posted - Mar 31 2014 : 1:07AM
Porn scene intros/interviews can be great with certain directors, like Mason, for example. There are plenty of people, myself included, who absolutely love her pre-scene interviews and striptease segments.
SxDoctor
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Posted - Mar 31 2014 : 3:03AM
Directors do it because people actually watch that.
External hard drives are not expensive. I can't imagine someone being able to afford a porn site subscription and not being able to afford an external hard drive. I recently bought a 4TB drive for about $160.
Depending on what kind of video files you are working with, there are programs which will trim videos quickly. Avidemux is a program I have used to cut commercials out of TV shows I have edited in mp4 or avi formats. Some formats are easy to manipulate. The stuff that takes more time and processing power is when you are transcoding to a different format instead of copying to the same format.
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Posted - Mar 31 2014 : 4:48AM
Don't mind set-ups/intros as long as they don't drag on too long (five minutes is about right). Interviews generally bore the tits off me, though: "So, what are you here to do today...?"
Porn scenes themselves go on way too long, though. Rarely have I watched a scene that hasn't outstayed its welcome. Usually about 10 minutes into the sex I'm getting twitchy, thinking "C'mon, get to the facials." Are men as a species really designed to have 45 minute wanks?
Cloudburst
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Posted - Mar 31 2014 : 7:08AM
Good point. I would say not even a 25 minute wank, things can start to get sore.
rlankford
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Posted - Mar 31 2014 : 10:40AM
It's called Edging. A whole new level of pleasure and satisfaction.
ninja1
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I figured the 45-minute scenes were because they are trying to satisfy everyone. The guy who loves cowgirl get 5-7 minutes of that. The guy who wants anal will get 20 minutes of that in 2 or 3 postions. The guy who loves ATM will get ATM. Etc. I doubt anyone watches the entire 45 minutes without touching the remote.
Cloudburst
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Posted - Apr 1 2014 : 6:24AM
But can every male do this? Tried it but once I reach the "plateau phase" (which is where you're supposed to stop wanking) I have a hard time stopping orgasm from occurring. Any tips on edging successfully?
Also I'm curious if it matters whether or not a guy is circumcised in terms of controlling orgasm, anyone have any thoughts?
Edited by - Cloudburst on 4/1/2014 6:24:25 AM
 
DJboutit2
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Posted - Apr 2 2014 : 3:01AM
Bangbros use to be the king of this a 40min scene and any only like 16min of screwing. The rest would be bs like walking around getting a drink a bite to eat or driving around in a car. Screw that now a max of 5 to 7 min of a 40min scene is cool not 65% of the scene
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Posted - Apr 2 2014 : 10:24AM
This.
I use Machete. It's worth $19.95 for the full version. It's known as a splitter/joiner and processes files in seconds. Supports AVI, FLV, WMV, 3GP, MKV, MP4, MOV, WMA, MP3 and WAV formats.
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Posted - Apr 2 2014 : 3:01PM
^
To add there's a lite free version but its functions are limited to .avi and .wmv
Now that you reminded me of Machete I'll try to use it on linux through Wine one of these days
I do that during actual sex I can last way more than 45 minutes although I limit myself to around twenty , I didn't even know this thing had a name , I begun early because in my naivety I thought a man MUST cum concurrently with his woman , So I tried to resist and stay in control of that thing to be able to match her , of course with no or little effectiveness. I do many things to stop stimulating or stimulating less the parts that lead to orgasm , I stop thrusting pushing inside or begin to rotate my dick or both , I slow down while stimulating her clit , sometimes I pull out and push my dick over her clit moving it up and down without penetrate her , this way I keep stimulating my dick but not enough to get an orgasm , such teasing is good for her too. Since I'm close all the time I can actually cum when I want to. It's difficult to match her but I can be very close , I can decide or let her decide the way she wants me to do that , I can anticipate her or cum almost right after , or as close as possible to her, but usually I try to push her more than once if possible.
When I masturbate I don't feel the need to keep wanking , still I need few minutes at least ten to 15 , I never arrive to the end of a scene.
Based on my real experience I guess that to endure more you need to avoid the top of your dick for a while , but keep stimulating the body of it , something like the teasing I do.
Edited by - LCF on 4/2/2014 3:05:17 PM
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