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| straight Deactivated User 5 Posts 1/09 |  Posted - Jan 1 2009 : 2:09PMEvery body of us is is warming up and feels depreesed in the same time when he watches a pornstar man with his extraordinary ability of making love with many other porn stars beautiful female. normal males can not do the same thing with their normal female sex partners, they try but they can not ,this makes normal man feels deprision infront of his female, and she thinks that he is frustrated!! infact male porn stars are freak males not natural, they inhance their ability by alot of viagra tablets to make more scences and get more income from directors,,,, do you think that porn industry offers freaky male porn stars and un-natural scences,,and one day they will lose this trade infront of natural making love!!? and do you think that (the golden age of porn) scences are more intimate of this digital age of porn industry!!?  [Link] |
| Bobcat Senior Member 1490 Posts 2/08 | Posted - Jan 1 2009 : 2:36PM I'd like to see more affection and love making, in gonzo porn. The vast majority of male viewers have female partners and porn seems to alienate them with it's total lack of affection. I'm constantly looking out for scenes that I can enjoy with my partner, which show sex in a more loving manner. Sadly they seem few and far between.  [Link] |
| straight Deactivated User 5 Posts 1/09 | Posted - Jan 1 2009 : 2:46PM I really prefer watching scense full with natural sensations before making love without making me feel that they are helping camera man to show their genitalia [Link] |
| Bobcat Senior Member 1490 Posts 2/08 | Posted - Jan 1 2009 : 2:58PM The fantasy element is that the performers are very attractive. I'm not against close up views of genitalia, just show kissing and more natural positions as well. Closed missionary is incredibly hot, but hardly ever used, that's such a shame! [Link] |
| love_that_porn Member 246 Posts 9/08 | Posted - Jan 1 2009 : 3:25PM When my girlfriend watches porn with me she much prefers movies that has loads of intimacy; where there's passionate, extended kissing, tongues licking tongues and lips, even chins; where the woman is looking deep into the eys of the man while she's sucking his cock and when he's shooting his load; where the man isn't afraid of kissing his woman after swallowing his cum; where the woman gets thoroughly satisfied first, having one or a few orgasms before his turn cums; where the sex is fluid and sensual and not at all mechanical, as is the case with gonzo. Some of the Playgirl produced porn have these scenes, but most times you just have to luck out and take a chance on a feature film. ADT reviews do help in this regard. [Link] |
| brown_eyed_girl Member 58 Posts 12/08 | Posted - Jan 2 2009 : 2:45AM [Link] |
| Bobcat Senior Member 1490 Posts 2/08 | Posted - Jan 2 2009 : 6:33AM [Link] |
| SexyHard Member 673 Posts 6/07 | Posted - Jan 2 2009 : 10:29AM Some of Jessica Drake's scenes with Brad Armstrong bring out the energy of their real-life relationship. Their first scene is Fallen is incredibly hot. Also I really liked Joanna Angel's scene with James Deen in XOXO Joanna Angel. [Link] |
| nightwing Member 44 Posts 7/08 | Posted - Jan 2 2009 : 11:28AM What i would love to see more of is kissing in scenes its VERY absent in most flicks what is worse then anything though is seeing a male performer going in for a kiss and the female doing her best to avoid it (leaning back, acting like a ragdoll while being kissed or sometimes outright turning away) while still trying to look like she is turned on i HATE THAT its definatly a wood killer. I know some females see kissing as intimate(which to some of us stupid males is still a crazy idea giving the proffession they are in)but we generally respect what they want in this aspect but Is it so difficult to set a do and do not do before a scene on the subject of kissing so such awkward moments do not occur?. [Link] |
| inquisitive Member 162 Posts 12/08 | Posted - Jan 2 2009 : 11:51AM [Link] |
| Bobcat Senior Member 1490 Posts 2/08 | Posted - Jan 2 2009 : 12:54PM There's stacks of g/g stuff for starters, just think of Abbeywinters, there's also quite a bit of b/g, it's just hard to find as it's not listed as a genre as such. Secondly, with the amount of people who keep asking for a b/g version of Abbeywinter, there's obviously a big market for the stuff. Porn studios should take note, someone could make a killing by doing a gonzo hardcore series with more "normal" sex in it. Lastly, I don't see it's the women performers who don't want to kiss, afterall they do A2M, so Kissing a guy can't be such a big deal? I have a DVD by Doghouse Digital called "Real Naughty Couples" that could be used as blue print for such a series, it's fantastic and very couples friendly. Unfortunatly I think they only did one volume, that's all I could find, I know I'd have bought many many more volumes of this, if they were available. [Link] |
killbillvol69  All-Star Member ^Lucy Pinder 18634 Posts 4/08 | Posted - Jan 2 2009 : 3:24PM There are even a select few who have kissing on their list of things they will never do under any circumstances, like Max Hardcore regular Catalina. This is a woman who regularly swallows another person's vomit and piss. But she will not kiss. As the poster above mentioned, it's difficult for us as men to understand this, but there are in fact many women who associate kissing with a level of intimacy they're not willing to explore in their porn careers, in which they do not wish to become intimate. This is also very common among prostitutes. Remember the movie Pretty Woman? That was the one rule: no kissing. Once Julia Roberts' character broke that rule, she found herself in trouble as her emotions started to take control of her. [Link] |
| Bobcat Senior Member 1490 Posts 2/08 | Posted - Jan 2 2009 : 3:34PM Just about all girlcalls now offer GFE and PSE, they normally just say no french. Maybe you're right, I have know idea, it just seems strange, it would be interesting to hear one of the girl performers views on this subject? [Link] |
| Skyscrapper Member 667 Posts 12/08 | Posted - Jan 2 2009 : 3:44PM [Link] |
| Bobcat Senior Member 1490 Posts 2/08 | Posted - Jan 2 2009 : 3:58PM I'd say it's the other way round, like; Boy meets girl, boy fucks her senseless, boy and girl become a couple, sex beomes more intimate and less frantic. [Link] |
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| brown_eyed_girl Member 58 Posts 12/08 | Posted - Jan 2 2009 : 5:16PM Anyway, it's not like I'm even looking for romance or storyline (in fact I hate storylines usually), just less posed and mechanical sex, where they look like robots, and look like they're just going through the motions. [Link] |
| ntfighter Member 645 Posts 7/07 | Posted - Jan 2 2009 : 5:40PM [Link] |
| Skyscrapper Member 667 Posts 12/08 | Posted - Jan 2 2009 : 6:15PM Boy meets girl, boys fucks her senseless, boy and girl become a couple, sex becomes more intimate but both the boy and the girl miss fucking other people. So they find someone else to kiss, weather on purpose or by accident. Newness is just as powerful intimacy. Maybe they stay together. Maybe they don't. Maybe the boy meets another girl, the girl another boy. And they repeat. OR the boy and the girl are swingers. Which takes us into yet another version. See what kissing can do? [Link] |
| Bobcat Senior Member 1490 Posts 2/08 | Posted - Jan 2 2009 : 7:04PM Gonzo porn only depicts a few of them, whilst largely ignoring others, which is really at the heart of my request/rant. I've got throat fucking, anal pounding, gaping, Gang bang movies etc etc, they are all readily available in their thousands. I'm just asking for some well produced "nice" porn with attractive professional performers, which is just about intimate sex and not contained in a cheesy movie plot. Is this too much to ask for? [Link] |
| brown_eyed_girl Member 58 Posts 12/08 | Posted - Jan 2 2009 : 7:06PM I think it would be more pleasant for the performers to film as well. With some of the extreme stuff they have to do I'm not surprised it comes off as mechanical. [Link] |
| Algaliarept Senior Member 3557 Posts 7/08 | Posted - Jan 2 2009 : 7:39PM [Link] |
| skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02 | Posted - Jan 3 2009 : 12:19AM [Link] |
| HansGeist Member 133 Posts 6/08 | Posted - Jan 3 2009 : 12:49AM [Link] |
| inquisitive Member 162 Posts 12/08 | Posted - Jan 4 2009 : 11:25AM [Link] |
| Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07 | Posted - Jan 4 2009 : 2:21PM My personal take on porn (and I'm sure many many porn watchers would agree) is that I don't want to see sex that reflects "real life sex" in my porn. I don't want to see girls dressed like regular girls. I don't want to see people having sex in the few typical positions. I don't need to see lots of kissing. Why? Simple. Because I live in the real world where I see plenty of girls who dress in typical regular clothes. I have sex with girls in a few typical positions. I don't want to pay to watch something I can actually do or see all the time for free. Some guys go to hookers to get what they can't get at home. Some guys watch porn to see what they can't get in real life. In porn I want to see bigger than life "over the top" sex, positions, clothes, and women. I want the 6 inch heels. I want the make up. I want crazy posistions that look cool on screen but is uncomfortable in real life. I want loud moans. I wanna see girls who I'd never run into in real life. I wanna see girls just tease my for awhile with their big breasts or big bubble butts. I want intense sex that doesn't let up. To each his/her own. It's about whatever floats your boat. The main reason I bring up all this stuff is show some of you that there is an audience for the stuff you claim to hate or be tired of and why that audience likes what's out there. Some of you are convinced that what you want is wanted by the majority of people and it's simply not true. I'm not saying what you want to see is bad/worse/wrong but try to understand that the stuff you want would be catering to a fairly small audience and none of the big companies or directors are going to go that route to supply product to an audince that can't supply big returns. [Link] |
| Bobcat Senior Member 1490 Posts 2/08 | Posted - Jan 4 2009 : 2:44PM [Link] |
| brown_eyed_girl Member 58 Posts 12/08 | Posted - Jan 4 2009 : 4:42PM I also think it's a bummer for everyone in the industry that half the population (i.e generally most women and some men) ignores porn and thinks it's disgusting and demeaning because of the majority of what's put out. All I'm asking for is a little diversity. [Link] |
| killbillvol69 All-Star Member ^Lucy Pinder 18634 Posts 4/08 | Posted - Jan 4 2009 : 7:38PM It is changing though. There are companies being run by women, there are companies whose focus is women, etc. But the more we see those, the more we're also seeing a reaction to those (or vice versa - it's a chicken-egg thing): more brutal, more violent, more extreme, more fake, more whatever - perhaps it's because the porn companies who used to make things fairly hardcore now look around and say "hey, the people that don't like the stuff to be really extreme now have all sorts of options, so we can go from fairly hardcore to incredibly hardcore to appeal to the crowd that wants it, and those that don't can check out those other companies". Perhaps the people who don't like things too hardcore are saying "hey things seem to be getting more extreme all the time, maybe we should start a company and make porn that might appeal to the opposite crowd a bit more". Realistically, I'm sure both things happen. As well as all sorts of other scenarios I haven't mentioned. But my point is that what I think we're seeing is porn becoming more and more fractured, more and more separated into all its little niches, all the time. You no longer see a woman with a hairy bush in the same movie as a woman who waxes her pubes. You don't see busty women in the same movies as flat-chested ones, anal sex in movies with vag-only scenes, tall girls in movies with short girls, interracial scenes in movies with scenes where both performers are of the same race. There are exceptions to this of course, but it really is the case that more and more, each individual DVD series or website is catering to one very, very specific thing - and nothing else. It so happens that there are far more that cater to the more hardcore scenes that are geared towards various male fantasies, than there are ones that are appealing to female erotic desires. And I'm not sure I see this changing any time soon. From the voices of fans, they seem to want their porn to be even more specialized. [edit: then again, every time someone mentions that the more extreme stuff caters to men more than women, there's always a female fan (or performer, or director) who comes along and says that this is the kind of stuff they love, so it does cater to women. And then the argument kind of loses steam. Of course there are people of both genders who enjoy both trends - more and less extreme - but I think the thing that is often forgotten by the female fan who comes in and says she loves the extreme stuff is that she is probably in the minority when it comes to the desires of her gender, just as the man who wants to watch the softer stuff is probably in the minority in his.] Edited by - killbillvol69 on 1/4/2009 7:43:08 PM [Link] |
| BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Jan 4 2009 : 10:45PM I'd also disagree with your assumption (based on nothing) that there is no audience for what others are asking for, Abby Winters is a hugely successful porn site. [Link] |
| Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07 | Posted - Jan 5 2009 : 6:44AM After ignoring much of it I decided to chime in with what I see as the reasons you aren't seeing what you want and to present the other side of the coin saying there's a big audience that wants to see the type of porn some of you claim to be tired of. I don't think that side is represented much during these many discussions. I never said there isn't an audience for what you want to see, I merely pointed out it isn't as big as the one that likes the "harder" stuff. In fact I went out of my way to make myself clear on that. I also explain why why I think things are the way they are. But because it's not what you want to hear you decide it's based on "nothing". [Link] |
| Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07 | Posted - Jan 5 2009 : 6:59AM That only makes sense. I don't think most people want to see a loving tender sex scene mixed in with a typical harder movie. I don't know if any of the big directors would be the right people to give that audience what they want. The same goes for the girls. For example...If Kelly Wells decided to do that type of stuff could she pull in off? Would her fans be able to forget what she's done in the past and judge her accordingly? [Link] |
| ntfighter Member 645 Posts 7/07 | Posted - Jan 5 2009 : 11:55AM If the market is truly working as expected we would find producer exploring different option, rather than variation on the same theme. Maybe producer are superfluous. His only function seems to be to insure that the penetration is visible. Edited by - ntfighter on 1/5/2009 12:39:10 PM [Link] |
| BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Jan 5 2009 : 1:58PM Can you present any proof, other than a 'feeling,' that the audience for harder stuff is bigger than that for soft? FTV/Danni on the softcore side and Bang Bros/Brazzers on the middle-of-the-road end of things both seem to do very well. Kink.com is doing well but so is Abby Winters. BTW I do agree that there were one too many threads recently complaining about this but it's better than another 'When will she do anal?' thread. Edited by - BlackSix on 1/5/2009 2:16:57 PM [Link] |
| Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07 | Posted - Jan 5 2009 : 8:17PM I have no clue what type of stuff Abby Winter does but it sounds like the Candida Royalle line of movies aimed at couples and women that she did years ago. I might be wrong on that. But in general I think the stuff most of you here are describing is basically "softer" more "sensual" stuff. Maybe I'm wrong but I've always seen that type of stuff has as more of a niche in the overall world of porn. Then there's the fact that even though some of you are saying you want this type of stuff most of you are specific in just what you actually want to see. While you say you want to see Abby Winter type stuff I'm betting not not everyone shares your enthusiasm for it. They may want more of an Andrew Blake type of porn. Some may want the Candida Royalle type stuff. Some may want the slo-mo artsy DIGITAL PLAYGROUND type stuff. What about the people who want to see 70s/early 80s type porn? If a company did start making one of those types of movies the fan of the remaining types still wouldn't be happy and would say the right type isn't being made...and there needs to be more diversity. No matter what's done some people will feel slighted and continue to complain. [Link] |
| Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07 | Posted - Jan 5 2009 : 8:27PM [Link] |
| brown_eyed_girl Member 58 Posts 12/08 | Posted - Jan 6 2009 : 12:29AM I just want to see less mechanical sex. I want to see chemistry and passion. This does not mean it has to be soft and sensual like Abby Winters. I'm just as much a fan of frantic fuck-me-now sex than the average porn consumer. I've seen some Jules Jordan and some Evil Angel stuff that I found very erotic. [Link] |
| Dan Senior Member 2056 Posts 6/07 | Posted - Jan 6 2009 : 8:42AM People usually like to fantasize about doing things that they can't normally do. And that's why ordinary or average sex in porn simply won't do. There is no entertainment value in watching something you've done yourself many times before. To be entertaining, porn sex needs to be both real and extraordinary at the same time. Or else it's not interesting to watch. It's the same kind of thing as with mainstream movies. The emotions and the interactions between the actors must look real. But real by itself is not good enough. The interactions between the actors must also be extraordinary in some way in order to be entertaining. [Link] |
| Bobcat Senior Member 1490 Posts 2/08 | Posted - Jan 6 2009 : 12:35PM The fantasy element is that I'm not going to get to have sex with the girl that's in the film. I tend to buy movies based primarily on how attractive I find the girls. Circus acts don't interest me. Maybe I'm different to most people? [Link] |
| BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Jan 6 2009 : 9:15PM There are some scenes in Elegant Angel, Evil Angel and even Red Light, directed by Mason, Juan Cuba, Belladonna, Malone, Michael Stefano that capture a more realistic/naturalistic feeling in the sex where it isn't artificially frantic, mechanical and 'porny.' Stefano said in his podcast that he doesn't want to shoot any girl that doesn't want to kiss in a scene: that is exactly what I'm talking about, injecting some believable passion in the scenes instead of obsessing on formula like facials and DPs. I'd prefer if the girls kept their curves, natural looks and didn't get covered in tatoos, fake n' bake and bad boob jobs. These complaints have been around for a long time and recent trends over the last 5 years show that directors and producers are either listening to some fans and/or agree and are moving in that direction. If viewers didn't criticize and demand better pornography we'd still be watching crappily shot video with endless close-ups and cutaways to dudes faces. [Link] |
| BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Jan 6 2009 : 9:30PM Your comparison to mainstream films is interesting, I'd say we're getting a lot of the porn equivalent to overblown and poorly mounted action films instead of a solid drama or thriller, or hell, even just a well-constructed action film. Edited by - BlackSix on 1/6/2009 9:30:30 PM [Link] |
| brown_eyed_girl Member 58 Posts 12/08 | Posted - Jan 6 2009 : 11:24PM [Link] |
| kristinarose Member 797 Posts 2/08 | Posted - Jan 6 2009 : 11:53PM BWA:14 I got fucked in the pooper by MANUEL! How could I not get off?!?!? He's my fav! Any girl that doesn't get off having that big giant ween in their crapper is obviously gay. Dirty Girl: Sam No let me pick all the performers. It was like Elegant Angel was my wingman minus all the wine & dine and my dates always put out. All the male performers I had worked with before and knew they would fuck me propa'. As for the girlies, come on......You've seen their work, I've seen their work. I knew it would be good and it was. [Link] |
| Clam Digger Deactivated User Many a man fails as an original thinker simply because his memory is too good. 2268 Posts 1/05 | Posted - Jan 7 2009 : 12:40AM [Link] |
| Aplus Senior Member 1431 Posts 5/05 | Posted - Jan 7 2009 : 11:23PM I do think things are changing in those regards at for me. Could be that I just know where to go and who to look for, but things do seem easier these days. [Link] |
| ophelia Member 82 Posts 1/09 | Posted - Jan 14 2009 : 9:40PM The best part about Manuel for me isn't the size of his cock, but what he does with it. He has the ability to bring immense sensuality out of the other person and it's so hot to watch. I agree that porn needs more intimacy and not just people showing up to earn a buck. Not that anything's wrong with that but this industry is so huge that in can more than facilitate people who want a little more from their adult films than mindless fucking. [Link] |
| MonicaF Member 136 Posts 10/08 | Posted - Jan 14 2009 : 10:13PM Fans, why not write in to your favorite porn studios and let them know what YOU want to see? I'll be your input will be valued. [Link] |
| Skyscrapper Member 667 Posts 12/08 | Posted - Jan 14 2009 : 10:29PM [Link] |
| ntfighter Member 645 Posts 7/07 | Posted - Jan 14 2009 : 11:09PM I'm shocked, but not surprised to learn that stars are asked to tone it down.. Edited by - ntfighter on 1/14/2009 11:11:50 PM [Link] |
| Clam Digger Deactivated User Many a man fails as an original thinker simply because his memory is too good. 2268 Posts 1/05 | Posted - Jan 15 2009 : 8:45AM Hot chicks do not make hot scenes unless the guy knows how to bring the best out in them, IMHO. A clueless stunt cock can really destroy a scene, no matter who the the female performer is. Manuel is a lover who adores women and sex and it showsand is why most girls love to do scenes with him. [Link] |
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