Just wonder what your opinion is on this. Whether you can be a porn star without doing Anal in todays environment. What do you think?
I know there are a few who still do not, but more and more are converting to doing at least some anal. I am not saying that is a bad thing it just seems to be the way porn is going. I personally think it is possible, but I can't imagaine you are going to make much money without. It also seems more money is given for anal scenes.
I have some pretty old porn, early 90s, it has a very minor amount of plot. Anyway, the whole film builds up to an Anal scene at the end and it's like quite a "big deal".
Today nobody bats an eyelid, it's almost guarenteed that the girl is gonna get her ass plundered!
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Posted - Oct 19 2006 : 12:21AM
Brooke has done almost 200 videos now, and her anal cherry is intact. She's been in the biz for almost 4 years now. If you included her Internet scenes, she's probably done about 250 hardcore shoots.
I just can't believe that the performers that don't do anal (yet) are so far outnumbered by those that do. I think that one could capitalize on being the exception, but then that person would be so limited. I think that the anal revolution is one of the main reasons that performers come and go so much more quickly than they used to, no pun intended.
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Posted - Oct 19 2006 : 2:15AM
Why don't we get Penny Flame, Jesse Jane, Stormy, and Krystal Steal's opinion on this subject?
Sure.Well, I was watching porn in the early 90s and I was really upset by the fact that anal was so rare...even in the most hardcore porn flicks. It really was quite difficult to find a porn with anal in it......much less a really good "all anal" flick.
Because it was so rare, I thought I must be one of the few who actually wanted to see lots more anal in porn. It now appears that I wasn't.
I remember the flicks where the anal scene was a "big deal'. Those were usually the ones that were advertised as anal porn but really were 90% vaginal and/or oral. The big anal scene at the end was a big deal because it was what the viewer really usually wanted to see. I don't know why they did it that way but it used to endlessly piss me off. Well, hell, it actually still happens a lot in allegedly "all anal" flicks.
At he top of the list of Non-Anal Stars, of course, is Jenna Jameson. Next is Janine...although she may have done an "accidental" anal with Evan Stone in "Janine's Got Male."
Other "A" list or "B+" list girls who haven't done anal are: Krystal Steal, Dani Woodward, Stormy, Mary Carey (?), Jesse Jane--and, until recently--Monique Alexander.
Not wanting to do anal is one of the reasons' that Lexie Marie left Vivid and the biz. And the pressure to do anal, may also have pushed Krystal Steal to cut-back, or stop, doing videos in favor of dancing...which, it has been pointed out somewhere recently, produces just about the same income as doing porn--without the negative social, personal side-effects of performing b/g sex on camera.
And, from the past Jamie Summers (one of the first contract girls) only did anal at the end of her career (and privately produced the sexvid, "Cummin Together"), as did Lexus Locklear and Savannah. Jenteal, before getting into the biz, did a pro/am sexvid anal with her boyfriend--but never did anal in her pro work. All of which speaks to the fact that, at least up until now, girls could become BIG without doing anal
And, it's my guess, that stars like Savanna Samson, Tawny Roberts and Teagan would have still become Stars, with thousands of loyal fans, even if they had never taken a dick up their fabulous butts. All of these girls "went anal" very early in their careers (bad advice?) and therefore companies/directors "expected" that they would do frequent anals. They could have just said "no."
Edited by - Derek117 on 10/19/2006 9:28:36 AM
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The stars that don't do anal are stars because they have an intangible star quality. Penny Flame is a good example. She's a wholesome-looking girl with a hot body, and she generally performs in vanilla scenes. But she's sexy. She's sexy because she's Penny Flame, and there's a radiance she projects that people can't ignore. A lot of porn girls gain fans (and therefore gain bookings) by what they do. Penny gains fans for who she is.
To try and answer your question, I think the answer is yes, but with many stars choosing to go the anal route, it works best if you have another aspect to seperate your self from the competition (naturally large breasts, very orgasmic, or if you can show good chemistry with male performers on screen) .
Courtney Simpson seemed pretty popular in my eyes - and she only did a anal scene or two starting out. Going back a couple of years, April had a heck of a career and finally did a couple of anal scenes right at the end.
add Kylie Wilde and Phoenix Ray , also Anita Blonde did it only once (in movies) all three are among my favourites along with Marilyn Jess which is my favourite ever , the only anal scen she did was doubled.
Don't get me wrong I love anal but my judgement about an acress does not depend on it.
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Posted - Oct 20 2006 : 9:01AM
A lot of porners today are quite savvy; they know to hold back or ration certain acts as a way of sustaining their career. They might do the very occassional anal scene (Nautica, August), or only a handful (Kinzie, Tiana), or dangle the carrot that they will move to anal sometime in the future (Sunny Lane) or just let it be known that they do do anal at home even if they don't do it on the screen (Jenna). So there are many ways of negotiating anal and becoming a star without becoming a regular anal performer. Really, it's not about doing anal or not doing anal, it's about how well you manage your career. Manage your career badly and you could do anal forever and still no one would notice you. Manage it well and, yes, you probably can never or only barely do anal and still be a major porn star.
I'd agree with Ramsey that Gianna is the perfect example of a girl who has become a big name without ever going anal; but I would add that this is not only because, as he says, she is a great performer, but also because she has paced and managed her career intelligently.
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Posted - Oct 20 2006 : 11:23AM
It would appear that porn consumers are currently fascinated with anal scenes.
I aint involved in the industry myself, but one need only look at the top selling titles of any of the Adult on-line movie suppliers to see that anal movies dominate their top ten sellers lists.
I have a question about this, and hopefully someone can provide an answer. It's a bit of a curly one, and probably the sort of question that most people would not want to think about. Well, here it is, for anyone daring enough to consider it ...
Why are porn consumers currently so fascinated with anal sex?
In a way I agree yet not because the girl can compensate not doing anal but she has to be very special. Gianna compensates not doing anal with a KILLER body and at this point it doesn't bother me she doesn't do anal, not doing interracial but that would be another story but also another thread.
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Posted - Oct 20 2006 : 5:57PM
I think all the girls that don't do anal have to try a lot harder during the sex or they don't get recognized or remembered.
Also if the girl doesn't look that tight, or her vagina isn't that attractive (dark lips/hanging lips) or if she's average looking, she won't do as well.
I think a lot of that is because directors are shooting all nude now. If you throw some clothes on her, give it a sexy plot or theme, suddenly it doesn't matter if it's just vaginal sex cause it's different from the 30+ titles she has out there. I think you can compensate with clothing, dialogue, facial expressions, faster paced sex, etc.
Imagine Penny Flame in a cheerleader outfit. She does a cheer, then a BJ, then she's up against a wall getting pounding with her skirt pulled up, she then runs and jumps on the guys lap and they start fucking like animals...her pigtails bouncing up and down in the air during the sex, just all over the place, with lots of dirty talk, orgasms, facial expressions, just intense sex. Nobody will really give a shit if there is any anal.
For the most part anal is slow anyways. The guy sticks it in slow, moves back and forth a little and it's over. WOW..there is your anal. The idea is it's tighter in her ass. That she feels a little pain, that it's dirty and erotic. Personally I really like anal too. But that's not more important to me than the whole package. Seems like anal is all you get out of most gonzo porn though if it's all nude. The most psychologically erotic part..is the anal.
But you can substitute that with a better plot, costumes, dialogue, better sex, etc.
The problem is directors don't. They just tell her to take all her clothes off, the guy slides it in, she moans a little, he cums on her face and the scene is over.
Rinse, repeat, rinse, repeat.
Just the same tired shit. So I say if you don't do anal, you have to try a lot harder. Like the babysitter series. A lot of it is vaginal only. Just check out Kayla Marie's scene in the series!!! She's bouncing around and getting really intense, vocal and agressive. That's what it takes to get remembered with a vaginal scene. It requires a lot more work I think but it's possible.
Edited by - danceswithporn on 10/20/2006 6:01:03 PM
I love anal scenes but I don't have to see them all the time. Obviously its up to the girls to decide if they wanna accept deliveries in the rear.
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Posted - Oct 20 2006 : 9:39PM
Jenna is the only serious star in your list and she is long gone. Can you be popular or famous, possibly, but in order to be a superstar, you have to take it up the ass.
Some girls are good about that today. I remember a couple of years ago when I actually believed Jennifer Luv when she said it. Surely she just moved to anal after she retired I wonder how much of this is a reflection of the proliferation of behind the scenes featurettes for DVDs, causing the girls to adopt provocative-but-standard answers to routine questions they are otherwise bored with after their first couple of scenes.
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I think this raises the inverse question....if a girl didn't do anal, would they even BE popular? I find it interesting that there are many stars out there who I personally don't find sexy or attractive, but the fact that they can go straight to a hard ass reaming is what DEFINES their status as a "hot porn star."
I don't mind anal scenes other than, in some cases, it spells the end of their porn career for some girls as they have to keep getting more and more extreme to please their fans and this leads to physical issues or even retirement. But I have a ton of respect for a porn performer who can resist doing anal just because their "fans" demand it...and still turn in incredible performances that sell lots and lots of DVD's.
But there is a new breed out there....starlets who do porn AND are doing a remarkable job of managing their "brand of self" and their careers. Mia Rose anyone? This, IMHO, is what makes anal appealing. When a woman does it, gets into it, and clearly won't let herself be manipulated in the process. A strong woman who still gives of herself like that on screen is just damn sexy.
Mia Rose would be a star no matter what. Even if she were working in some cubicle doing data entry, she'd be the most popular data-entry clerk in the office. She's got "it," whatever "it" is.
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Posted - Nov 18 2006 : 10:44PM
Aside from girls that went the "contract girl" option, I can't think of many girls that were able to sustain long performing careers without moving to anal at some point. Penny Flame has been mentioned a number of times, but isn't she on contract with Shane's World right now? And before that, how many scenes was she being hired for to do vag only B/G? My guess is that the offers had started to dry up on her.
So my answer to the question is that most girls do need to do anal if they want to sustain a performing career. While there are exceptions, I don't think girls should plan on being one of those exceptions when they enter the business. They don't necessarily need to do it right away, but they ought to be thinking about it right from the beginning.
I COMPLETELY agree with the comments about the importance of girls managing their careers. I think it's a big mistake to shoot tons and tons of scenes when you first start out. I also think a lot of girls would be smart to be selective about which directors they work with. If you are Sasha Grey or Mia Rose, and everyone wants to shoot you, why not make sure you only work for the best directors and with the best male talent? That isn't being stuck up, it's just making sure that when a scene you are in hits the street, it's a good scene. By the way,I'm not trying to pick on those two girls, I'm just using them as examples because they are incredibly popular right now.
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Posted - Nov 18 2006 : 11:56PM
If you've got 200 scenes in you, why not get it done in one year instead of two. It's the same amount of money in the end. As far as who the girls shoot for, it's going to be about the money there too. They have a book price and a list of acts they're willing to do, and with whom (or more to the point, with whom they won't). Meet it, and you have the performer for your shoot. If the girls care about the quality of their performances it'll show through and hopefully keep them around for more, or for another phase of their careers after taking a break.
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Posted - Nov 19 2006 : 12:21AM
Are you sure it's the same amount of money in the end? It seems to me that a girl's rate would need to go down as more and more scenes hit the street. The value of her services diminish as she loses her "newness". I think this is called the law of diminishing marginal returns in Economics. This is basically the argument for signing contract girls, i.e. you are purchasing exclusivity. But, if she managed it over time, it would be easier to keep things fresh. And how does a girl know how many scenes she has in her?
Of course, my point has little validity for girls that don't want a long career. Some girls just want to make a pile of cash and move on, and if that's what they want then more power to them.
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Posted - Nov 19 2006 : 12:55AM
I would rather see a lady hold out on doing anal than to see her just lay there like a dead fish, doing something she clearly isn't into... just to collect a pay check...
To the same extent, I have favorites who I never tire watching, even if they are constantly performing the same old same old anal abuse.. :P
Some girls have been pegged as extreme sex specialists... that's just what they do, but only a handful of them manage to turn out nothing but scorching hot scenes. That's a star.
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Posted - Nov 19 2006 : 9:45AM
If their scenes hit the street the next day that law might apply. I remember when Jasmine Byrne got hot, Francesca Le' was moaning in a BTS that she was booked three months in advance and she was lucky to get her on short notice. For some girls, they'll never demand more money than when they're fresh. Others build up a fan base and get a good reputation with directors that allow for growth in their book price. Also, setting a high price enables the girl to separate the wheat from the chaff in terms of who wants them for a shoot.
It just gets old after a while to see someone do the same things over and over again, regardless of how hot they are, or how their performance is. Maybe it sucks, but that's life. It's not just anal, even doing nothing but anal can get tedious. There's just so many possibilities out there for enjoyment: vaginal, anal, facial, creampie, swallow, gangbang, interracial, dp, mmf, mff...
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Posted - Nov 19 2006 : 4:40PM
I think it still applies, just maybe not as neatly in the real world as it would in an Economics labratory. For instance, how many scenes did Jasmine Byrne shoot after that period when she was super hot and booked 3 months in advance? Obviously, I have no way of knowing that, but I can make a reasonable assumption that she went through a period where she was booked heavily and then a period where she was still getting lots of work but some bookings weren't as far in advance, then another period where she was getting steady work, but not necessarily every day, and then a period where she was shooting only intermittently. That's where I'm guessing she's at right now. IAFD lists her as being in 172 titles in her career. Do you honestly think producers will pay the same rate for her now as they would 12 months ago? If you were the producer, would you pay the same rate? Would she still have the same value on the boxcover as she did 12 months ago? No, No, and No.
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Posted - Nov 19 2006 : 11:20PM
She probably charges more now, but that's not the point. If she stretched the performances out, her newness would have worn off more quickly by the product hitting the street ahead of the later performances, and likely made her less appealing (I can't believe I just wrote that about Jasmine Byrne), and cost her some newbie titles. The biggest drawback to cramming the appearances is the burnout and enhanced health hazards. I don't think an economist can argue with the same or similar money made in half the time. If the feature companies weren't so obsessed with signing pristine talent, they would scoop up the more sexually seasoned stars who actually come with an established contingent of fans, making the hard work pay off like it should.
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Posted - Nov 20 2006 : 12:04AM
You have a point, but I don't see the newness factor wearing off the same way you do. I think there will always be a certain amount of cramming of scenes, especially when girls are new. I'm just saying, instead of shooting 50 scenes in her first month in the business, it would be better to shoot like 20, take a break, go be a stripper or whatever, come back and shoot some more scenes, and kind of spread things out that way. Admittedly, this kind of strategy works better if she has something else she can do, like stripping.
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Perhaps so, but that's not just because of demand from the fans. I would buy a new India or Bamboo anal movie every month (if it wasn't a total piece of crap). I'm sure lots of guys feel the same way about their favorites.
It's the studios that don't want to have the performers back doing the same acts time and again. I guess that, with studios putting out limited numbers of movies a month, the first impulse is to get the new talent, so the old talent has to look for a way to sell themselves as new. As you suggest, the obvious way is to cater to a new fetish market. Once they've run through those they either have to try the dancing circuit, the internet or something else, yet you'll still see fans in the forums bemoaning their disappearance.
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