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Porn Scout
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Posted - Nov 20 2006 : 6:13PM
That was a different time, a different era.

Right now, if they don't want to do anal, the best way to go is the contract route. That's how I see it, anyway.

Pagoda
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Posted - Nov 21 2006 : 5:54AM
I think the problem is that there's simply too much porn out there, and way too many "stars." It seems that the industry rarely appreciates stunning beauty and raw sex appeal. There was a time when the standard porn fantasy was of a regular guy getting to fuck an extraordinarily sexy girl. Now it seems the fantasy is of a regular guy misusing a regular girl. This is fortunate because there are a lot more regular girls out there than stunners, and the industry needs to poop out 10K titles a year.
johnshaft820
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Posted - Nov 21 2006 : 11:08AM
I think 4theheart is right about this, especially about girls with naturally large breasts being able to hold on for a long time without doing anal. Not only Gianna, but the other current big-tit stars such as Brandy Talore and Sara Stone are anal-free so far. From the previous generation of stars there's Jennifer Luv and Cassie Young, both with nice C-cup breasts and both anal-free with around 100 movies each.

I think this has to do with the way movies are marketed. There's enough big tit movies being produced that a girl who fits this niche but doesn't do anal, will find plenty of work. The same may be true for girls who can squirt, and even for Latinas or Asian girls, who can be cast in a lot of movies based on their ethnicity alone. For example, Domino and Avena Lee each have around 100 movies with no anal so far.

CarbonT
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Posted - Nov 21 2006 : 8:34PM
This all seems exactly right. The industry has split into enough niches with enough devoted fans that a girl with an alternate draw can get enough work without doing anal. Gianna, having the most amazing tits in a generation being the ideal example; she seems to do a lot of scenes, some of them very hard, without doing anything anal (though, personally, I wish she would). Girlishly pretty, Latina, maybe a prolific squirter, all have enough demand that they could certainly find a way.
 
Barto
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Posted - Nov 21 2006 : 9:28PM
Lotta Topp never did it.
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Posted - Nov 21 2006 : 9:33PM
I think the niche-fetish argument is a valid one, especially for squirting (which I personally don't care for). However, I would argue that in most cases, the niche wears out and the pressure mounts to do anal scenes.

Look at Sativa Rose, for instance. When she first came on the scene, everyone wanted to shoot her. She was on tons of boxcovers. And for good reason! She's latina, gorgeous, has a near-perfect body, and is a terrific performer. Plus, she has this great personality that seems to come out in most of her scenes. But, the hype died down and after a while, she started showing up in fewer and fewer scenes. Then, a few months ago, she made herself available for anal and now she has all sorts of scenes coming out.

It's interesting that there is such enduring fascination with this one sexual act. And I'm as guilty as anyone, no question about it.


kaylasynz
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Posted - Feb 13 2007 : 4:29AM
I don't agree all that much with the statement "if a girl doesn't do anal...." You can be just as successful without it....It's about attitude, drive and a savvy business mind...If you took economics "Supply and Demand".....they don't want you if you thrown all your goodies out on the table.....

A HOT body, a brain, and the ability to speak well and make it look real is all a girl really needs!

No offense to anyone but that is my opinion....kisses

wheat
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Posted - Feb 13 2007 : 5:56AM
I think we also have to remember that not all porn fans want anal scenes, its just that the anal fans yell so loud they drown out the rest of us who really care more about the girl than the hole.
ma meeshka
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Posted - Feb 13 2007 : 6:11AM
there are girls who are stars and do anal, and there are girls who are stars and don't anal.

what does it matter?

my opinion is that, clearly, either way it's possible to achieve success.

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Posted - Feb 13 2007 : 6:27AM
I know I'm in the minority here but to me, once a girl starts doing anal, she's dead to me. It doesn't mean I won't still watch the good scenes she had done in the past but I'll avoid any new ones. It's that distasteful to me.
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Posted - Feb 13 2007 : 11:07AM
well, i'd rather watch a scene where the girl is into it and not doing anal than watch a scene where there is anal but you can see she's not into it. besides, if 1 starlet doesn't do something, there are any number of others who do and will.
R.Jordan
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Posted - Feb 13 2007 : 12:23PM
pito05, i agree.

and it bears repeating: Jenna Jameson, Jesse Jane, Krystal Steal, Janine, Tera Patrick...these girls and others were big enough pornstars that they caught mainstream attention, and none of them made their names doing anal

in fact if you look at the case of Sunrise Adams, you could argue that girls who build a name in gonzo don't break through into higher profile stuff.

recognition for Sunrise came from her more pedestrian scenes, not from the few gonzo things she did at the beginning of her career. her "safe" stuff with Vivid got her on Jay Leno, that Porno Valley television series

meanwhile a girl like Ariana Jollee, and no offense to her, she's done everything under the sun, crazy push-the-envelope stuff, but really does anyone outside of "raincoater" gonzo porn fans care?

payday
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Posted - Feb 13 2007 : 1:46PM
Couldn't have said it better myself.

Im not on the Pro Anal or Anti Anal boat..I just enjoy watching beautifully made up girls enjoying some hot sex and cumming.

Its a pretty simple premise

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Posted - Feb 13 2007 : 2:35PM
I agree and don't like the way porn's going to be
 
grtus
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Posted - Feb 13 2007 : 7:10PM
I am of a view different to the OP; let me elaborate:

Seeing a girl scream "OMG i'm cumming" the 200th time she has straight sex with average joe just doesnt do it for me; it's clearly fake, way too easy, and the girl focuses more on herself, than the action. she could jump up and down on a table and it would be the same thing. these are not amateurs. they are porn actors, and its nice to see them work for their money. They should do something more than every couple all over the world can easily do- straight sex...

Edited by - grtus on 2/13/2007 7:46:07 PM

Edited by - grtus on 2/13/2007 8:13:10 PM

HarryWild
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Posted - Feb 13 2007 : 7:51PM
Absolutely! You must be however "very hot and desirable" and are able to make the conditions for your shoot; not the producer, director and be strong enough not to be talked out of it by offers of more money or fame or other verbage.

Must be able to walk away if it is not to your liking.

A good agent would help too; especially if he/she has a law degree.

You must be so in demand that any way of getting you is a win for the studio; other wise you will eventually have to do what they want because no demand for limited, stuck up pornstars unless you are in super high demand!

sam46
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Posted - Feb 13 2007 : 8:00PM
You mean like Sandra Romain yawning while she does a herd of elephants?

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Posted - Feb 13 2007 : 8:31PM
ginna lynn

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they nver do a anal

KatarinaKat
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Posted - Feb 14 2007 : 12:49AM
No anal for me...I hope I do good without it...:)
XOXO Katarina Kat
P.S. OUCH!!!!!
wheat
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Posted - Feb 14 2007 : 1:13AM
So basically what gets you off i knowing the girl is in pain rather than enjoying herself.
Porn Scout
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Posted - Feb 14 2007 : 1:25AM
Say what you want, but the majority of girls will need to do anal or get out. Of course there are exceptions, no one is disputing that, but it's generally true.
wheat
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Posted - Feb 14 2007 : 2:23AM
Can you point to examples of girls who can't get work because they won't do anal?
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Posted - Feb 14 2007 : 3:18AM
No, I can't get specific for the simple reason that I'm not an industry insider and therefore don't have that kind of access.

And, I'm not saying they can't get any work either. But, over time, you will see girls that don't take it up the ass show up in fewer and fewer scenes until they just disappear. It happens almost every time. Exceptions are girls who get the big contracts, or have something that makes them unique, like squirting ability.

The trend is fairly obvious and pretty well documented in other threads. I don't think I'm going out on a limb with this stuff.

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Posted - Feb 14 2007 : 3:40AM
It's much more likely that the girls just move on to other things.

Very few girls are in porn for a long time anyway and there doesn't seem to be any real evidence that a girl can't have a long career if she doesn't do anal.

if she's hot and sells movies she will get work no matter which hole gets screwed.

And as i said for all the talk of some sort of blacklist if a girl doesn't do anal after a certain time the evidence just doesn't seem to exist to support that.

Seems more like a fantasy cooked up by the anal fanboys to put pressure on the girls to do that act unless they want to kiss their career goodbye.

 
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Posted - Feb 14 2007 : 4:16AM
I think that's self-evident. If one is no longer doing porn, then one must be doing something else.
Right, with emphasis on the selling movies part. That's pretty much the key right there. But how many girls in porn are so hot that they can put out tons of regular b/g scenes and still have their boxcovers fly off the shelf? Answer: not very many, and many of those girls get contracts.
Huh?
Are you Oliver Stone?
wheat
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Posted - Feb 14 2007 : 6:35AM
Which is basically you saying again that the work will disappear if a girl doesn't do anal after a certain time period.

I say again state cases where girls have wanted to keep working but have been shunned as they won't do anal.

sam46
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Posted - Feb 14 2007 : 7:19AM
Kelly Wells would head a list of over 100.

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Posted - Feb 14 2007 : 7:43AM
I don't think it's possible to be a porn star without being at least halfway hot. Anal will make you more money...I'm sure. But a good looking girl always has a chance in porn. I'd watch vaginal only if I knew that was as far as the girls were comfortable with going. As long as the movie isn't specifically marketed as an anal movie, I'm fine with vaginal scenes mixed in with anal scenes.

I just get pissed if it's marketed as an anal flick and it isn't.

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Posted - Feb 14 2007 : 9:14AM
I've always maintained that a girl doing anal sex wasn't a prerequiste for me being a huge fan of hers. But generally you do have to have something else extraordinary going on for yourself to keep the average consumer coming back for more.

I was sitting here, reading through this thread which appears to be old and I have never laid eyes upon, wishing I could add something that hasn't already been said. Then I glanced at my avatar - Jenaveve Jolie hasn't done anal yet, either. But I think that she, like Sativa Rose, will eventually have to come around to it; her beauty may never wane but fans will cease to check out new performances if they're simply the same as the old performances. Jolie's career is rapidly approaching that point if not past it already.

Two of my absolute favorite talents, Gianna and Eva Angelina, have already been mentioned (Eva's since done it for her website). Tia Tanaka is fairly popular and as far as I know, has never done anal. I'm absolutely enamored with Hustler's exclusive contract star Mya Luanna and she's never done it, either. People still watch beauties like Ice La Fox and Nyomi Marcela after all the years they've been in the business, too. The recently-returned Paola Rey is back and doing guys again but still no "a."

These are, however, the exceptions and sadly not the rule. I would say that if you are not in some way above average in another area, in some form or fashion, you have to do what you have to do to compete with your peers. And unfortunately, that means engaging in anal sex. Is it possible to be a pornstar today without doing anal? Sure. But for the run-of-the-mill chick, it will be a harder climb to the top without it.

R.Jordan
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Posted - Feb 14 2007 : 12:49PM
totally disagree.

look at girls like August Night, Alexis Malone, Felix Vicious, etc. they did't do anal yet they continued to work in the business for years. August is still in the industry and getting work for going on six years now, more than half a decade.

Riley Mason, Courtney Simpson, Dani Woodward....these girls have name recognition, box covers and large followings and they didn't need to do anal to get it.

if Courtney came out of retirement tomorrow, do you think she would have any trouble finding work and lots of it?

i could go on and on about girls who have been successful in the business without doing anal. but it seems you can't give even one example of a girl who faded out because of her unwillingness to do anal.


R.Jordan
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Posted - Feb 14 2007 : 1:12PM
then you have girls like Sasha Knox, Amee Donovan, Claire Robbins. they did many vigorous anal scenes, earned a name fast, and burned out of the business in a year or less.

like another poster said, i prefer that girls not feel rushed into anything or pressured to do something they don't want to do.

i think those that stay in the business are the ones who stick with what they are comfortable with, first and foremost. it shows in their performances too.

i would rather have twelve more scenes of Lela Star having hot vaginal sex instead of a handful of scenes of her having tentative, uncomfortable anal sex.

grtus
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Posted - Feb 14 2007 : 1:16PM
I do think that porn gets a bit kinkier every year. Nothing not to enjoy, hopefully.

The demand for movies is astronomic, so wages are good, and the supply of sluts looking for a quick buck endless. Even many nice looking girls have to do anal straight away to get any recognition. Yes a few are lucky and can get away without. But they are very few. The straight sex market is overcrowded and just boring.

Straight sex is...everywhere. Even paris hilton types use it to speed their access to fame. A porn star should do more. She works after all in porn.

I used to buy straight porn back in the past. But nowadays!? Waste of money.

Porn nowadays is better than ever before. Much more gonzo.

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Posted - Feb 14 2007 : 5:09PM
I would rather see a girl who is hot and totally into fucking without doing anal than a chick who does anal like its a hot dog goin down a hallway. It sux when girls just come right out and do it cuz it takes away the mystery and lots of these gals don't tend to last long. Most of the actresses that last long in the industry know that to keep a person's interest you have to keep em wanting more...if you're giving them anal in every movie you do then the appeal will soon be lost.
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Posted - Feb 14 2007 : 5:18PM
You can keep 'em wanting more by not doing too many scenes in a short period of time. I've been watching some actresses who do mostly anal (99%) for over five years and I still scan the 'upcoming releases' in hopes of finding more such scenes from them.
 
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mulletastic
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Posted - Feb 14 2007 : 9:09PM
I sometimes feel that there is too much anal in movies, its definitely the "mainstream" thing to do in porn nowadays. I guess I'm old fashioned in my porn taste that I don't mind seeing an abundant amount of good pussy pounding.
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Posted - Feb 14 2007 : 9:17PM
Disagree. Anal is what makes the difference. The only reason not to press the fast forward button. Even if the girl ist beautiful it sucks seeing her doing only the vag thing all the time- even if they look and perform well: Jennifer Luv, Candy Mason, Gianna, Ice La Fox for example.
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Posted - Feb 15 2007 : 12:28AM
Yes, why is there so much anal sex in hetero porn movies? It seems like it's in almost all of them and sometimes it's hard to find one without it. Once in a while it can maybe be erotic, but not all the time. It's not something that all of us are into or want to try or see. Some of us just prefer to see "regular" hetero sex without the anal fixation.
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Posted - Feb 15 2007 : 3:15AM
Well why don't you go on and on then? And while you're at it, make sure you include actual numbers. I want to know exactly how big each girl's following is, how many boxcovers she's done in the past, and what kind of sales studios can expect from future boxcovers with one of these girls vs. a performer whose popularity is more in the mid-level average range. Can you give me those numbers for some of the girls you are talking about?

August doesn't do many scenes and I'm pretty sure Felix is out of the business altogether. Both have done anal scenes by they way. Alexis Malone has been around for a while and seems to stick because she doesn't go all crazy and shoot 50 scenes in a month. I don't know her personally so I couldn't tell you if that's her choice or a consequence of her not doing anal,i.e. not getting as many offers to shoot. Riley Mason hasn't actually shot that many scenes yet, and she's another one that seems to be spacing out her active periods more, which I think is pretty smart. I believe Courtney Simpson does have a following and could be one of the exceptions. She has kind of a unique look to go along with pretty amazing cocksucking skills. On the other hand, she's shot an awful lot of scenes. If I were a porn producer, I don't think I would go out of my way to shoot her. Dani Woodward was pretty popular too, and she has kind of a unique look. I can see her making a comeback and getting lots of offers, but is she really going to move more units than the next girl? I don't know. Maybe.

R.Jordan
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Posted - Feb 15 2007 : 3:57AM
why should i go any further when you haven't even given ONE example of a girl who couldn't get work because she didn't do anal?

it doesn't matter how much more i point out, you're never going to admit you're wrong

if it's important to you personally that pornstars do anal, fine, that is your preference, that is what you want to see. but don't start throwing around declarations of how the industry must abide by your turn ons.

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Posted - Feb 15 2007 : 5:33AM
When did I say it was important to me personally? Yes, it is what I want to see, but I didn't think that was the point of the discussion.

And when did I make a declaration that the industry must abide by my turn-ons? I never said that.

Look, I made it quite clear that I'm not an industry insider. My statements are based on my observations of the industry and what I've read on this forum over the years. Everyone knows that girls are pressured to do anal scenes. It's just a fact. Do you honestly believe it doesn't make a difference to a girls career if she doesn't do it? Use your common sense. Yes, if she's super hot and can sell movies, she'll get work regardless. Those girls are out there. I didn't say they weren't. But I'm pretty sure that most girls don't get nearly as many offers for straight b/g sex after they've been in the industry for a while. They get shot out pretty quick and then they move on and do whatever. Is it their choice to move on? Well sure, of course they're making a choice. They could probably stick around the industry to some extent if they really wanted to. But don't you think the economics influence their decision? And I'm not saying that economics are the only factors either. I'm sure a lot of girls just decide that they don't want to suck cock for the camera anymore, which is a perfectly reasonable decision.

My point has always been about the general trend, not the individual exceptions.

I feel like I'm beating my head against a wall here. I really wish more people could discuss these things rationally.

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Posted - Feb 16 2007 : 8:17PM
I didn't actually read any of this topic because it would get my blood up, but the answer is yes, of course it's possible. Restricting the conversation to gonzo girls, for instance (most feature girls avoid it, though I'd love to see Jessica Drake take it in the ass), Katie Morgan, Sammie Rhodes, Sunny Lane, Lela Starr and Jenna Presley are all doing fine without anal. (I mention these because they're the ones I'm hoping for most!)

Some, like Gianna Michaels or Brandy Talore, have built-in advantages for making money sans anal. Then there are the Lexi Loves and Sativa Roses that wait a bit, and can really extend their careers as a result. There's at least one top performer who's just added anal to her onscreen repertoire, but from my point of view clearly doesn't enjoy it (she has posted here occasionally, so I don't want to upset her.)

Basically, any porn girl who doesn't want to do anal shouldn't have to. It's what I like to watch and buy in the world of adult entertainment, but that's just me and I don't expect everyone in the industry to cater to my wishes.

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Posted - Feb 19 2007 : 11:27AM
This is porn we're talking about. What do you expect if you decide to join this business?

For a girl to say "no anal" while I work in porn is like a baseball player stating, "I won't slide".

When Jim Powers comes to you and says, "Hey I'm directing 'Butt Licking Anal Whores III', do you want to be in it?", what does a female performer think she'll be doing?

Jules Jordan directs "Ass Worship Part 10", but no, I won't do anal in your film?

Platinum Pictures announces pre-production of "Tear Your Ass Sphincter Gaping Wide", ca we all take a wild guess as to what act might be demanded by the director (and audience)?

If you don't want to perform anal, then don't get into porn.

CarbonT
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Posted - Feb 19 2007 : 11:45AM
It is all about casting. If a director is doing an anal themed movie, and there are bazillions of microniches (creampies, teen anal, DP, DAP, big ass, little ass, big black ass, little white ass, mid-size asian ass, big white ass creampie teen, etc.) then he calls an actress who does anal scenes, and the ones who do them better (however you define that) get more calls. If a girl doesn't do anal, she excludes a significant part of the market. If she's got another draw -- tits, sensational looks, unusual skills -- then she works. Who needs some ridiculous idea like a blacklist? Where did that come from anyway.

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Posted - Feb 19 2007 : 12:14PM
DV81inLA, that strikes me as a most screwed up attitude. Don't get into porn if you don't want to do anal? How about if you don't want to drink dirt-pipe milkshakes or screw trannies? Where is that line?

Assuming a girl should do any act just because she is in porn is ridiculous. As with all things in life, different folks prefer different degrees. Look at Aria Giovanni (I probably spelled that wrong) - she does no porn at all and yet, she makes more money than most anal-oriented girls will ever hope for (and probably has more fans as well). Jesse Capelli is another example and I could go on.

I must say, without any disrespect to you intended, I find that attitude you espoused to be pretty bizarre.

Edited by - SpongeBub on 2/19/2007 12:16:45 PM

Moon Dust Lady
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Posted - Feb 22 2007 : 1:41AM
But why does there have to be so much anal in porn? It's not something that all viewers want to see in every video!
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Posted - Feb 22 2007 : 5:23AM
I'm a huge anal fan, so when I watch a porn movie I only watch porn movies with anal sex.

But I think it is possible to be a porn star without doing anal. It is more difficult but it is still possible. Then you can only perform in feature movies. If you want to perform in gonzo movies as a porn star you will have to do anal. Because almost all gonzo porn is anal-themed.

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Posted - Feb 22 2007 : 7:30AM
because ADT poster's girlfriends don't do anal.
so they are frustrated.

blueyonder
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Posted - Feb 22 2007 : 9:44AM
And I'm also one of those frustrated ADT posters.
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I'm not a Kelly Wells guru but IAFD lists her with 254 tittles & she still is active and apparently has not done anal in a long career..
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