Why would a studio not release a scene that they put time and money into? I've read numerous times that a main reason why it's so hard for new guys to break into the porn industry is because if he cannot perform then studios waste their time, not to mention their MONEY. So why in the world would they use their time and money to shoot a scene and then not even release it??? Two pieces of evidence I have for this: 1.Siri said on her blog that a scene she shot with Ramon Nomar back in February 2012 for Brazzers has never been released (that's 2 years ago). 2.A few years ago I asked a porn star I corresponded with via email how many b/g scenes she had shot and she told me 21. She retired shortly afterwards and so far only 16 b/g scenes of hers are available (I've searched and checked everywhere). That means 5 scenes she did are just sitting somewhere and not being released.
I recall reading that when April O'Neil started doing BG one of her first scenes was with Eric John, presumably for Hustler, and to the best of my knowledge that scene has never been released.
Sure it can. Time and money get wasted in lots of professions, and we're talking about porn, here. Based upon what I've seen over the years, I assume that 'half-assed' is a safe description of a good portion of what is shot, and that's not even getting into the possible legal SNAFU's.
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Posted - Feb 16 2014 : 2:30AM
What do you mean by this??
And Hardware are you saying that the only reason scenes aren't released is because they are "half-assed" or not good enough? I'm still very doubtful that is the reason.
^ One cannot simply shoot whomever doing whatever in the USA, which is to say that some things are illegal. The most likely legal issue is the age of a performer - look up 2257, paying particular attention to the documentation requirements. In answer to your other question, having provided you with two possible reasons - production issues and legal issues - I cannot be asserting that one reason covers everything; QED.
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Posted - Feb 16 2014 : 6:57PM
I forgot to mention something. Siri actually shot another scene with Roman Nomar. I just went back to watch it and the chemistry between them is fine if anything better than your average porn scene. So that pretty much shoots down Hardware's claim about scenes not getting released due to being "half-assed". My main issue with this to be honest is like I wrote in my OP I always hear how it's super hard for new guys to break into the industry because directors/producers can't "take a chance" losing money and wasting time. So I then go back to my original question: WHY WOULD A STUDIO SHOOT A SCENE AND THEN NOT RELEASE IT? Something doesn't add up, unless there is something about the way the porn industry operates that I'm unaware of that would cause them to shoot a scene and then deliberately withhold it.
First, there's a difference between a producer wasting money and a studio wasting money, and it lies in the fact that they (the producer and the studio) aren't the same thing. For a producer, the wasted money is in paying for the location and the talent and not shooting a scene. That's what can happen if you use new/unreliable male talent (or female talent, for that matter). And generally speaking, it's the producer that makes the casting decisions, and the studio just okays them. But if the scene gets shot and sent to the studio, then the producer gets paid at this point and it isn't wasted money for the producer. Most of the examples you're talking about are where the producer got paid for making the scene, but the studio that bought it, for whatever reason, decided to not release it and waste their money. As for why studios will sit on scenes, as has already been said, sometimes it's quality standards, sometimes it's legal issues (like a song playing in the background that they don't own the rights to, or a logo showing up that they could get in trouble over, or even an issue with content that could lead to problems with their billing company). Sometimes it's because the scene just doesn't fit the theme it was originally shot for, so they try to find some other place to put it out. Sometimes, it's problems with the 2257 paperwork (not even necessarily that the talent is under 18, but some of the IDs or signed papers could get lost or filled out incorrectly).
Just so I understand correctly, you are using the basis of another scene being shot to indicate that the first one must have been quality enough to release? You recognize that problems can occur, maybe there was problems with the footage, not enough good camera angles, a technical issue with the quality of the footage, maybe one of the performers wasn't really into it that day, the list can go on and on.
The rise of straight-to-web porn probably plays a role, too. It's different when a director/producer shoots, say, 5 scenes with the specific goal of releasing them as a single DVD. Scenes shot for the big web porn companies like Brazzers will adhere to an overall theme, but beyond that they'll just go into a big pile of scenes, to be released whenever - there's no "this scene we're going to shoot on Feb 25th is scheduled for a March 19th release". So it's not "shoot to order" like scenes intended for DVD releases, and as was already said above the actual producer of the scene doesn't need to care about this at all because he gets paid even if it never sees the light of day. In any case, because they need to satisfy a subscriber base these companies do need that backlog in case something happens to interrupt their shooting schedule for a significant amount of time (like an STD moratorium) and they can't ensure their normal frequency of new scene releases without digging into the vault. A DVD company can just scale back their release schedule for a month or two instead - it'll also lose money, but it won't tick off any customers in the process because no money has changed hands yet. The web companies can't just say, "sorry, no fresh scenes for the next four weeks". Most of the bigger web companies are probably sitting on dozens if not hundreds of scenes that are >6 months old. Doesn't even have to be that these scenes are of sub-standard quality - sometimes it's probably just that the company didn't find a spot to release one of them shortly after it was shot, and afterwards it simply gets buried in the backlog by later shoots. Edited by - shalalin on 2/17/2014 2:26:41 AM
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Posted - Feb 17 2014 : 3:54AM
. If I'm not mistaken from what you're saying eventually these scenes that are just sitting around in a backlog eventually get released?? So a scene Brazzers shot 2 years ago in February 2012 could still be released?
Edited by - Cloudburst on 2/17/2014 3:55:39 AM
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Posted - Feb 17 2014 : 10:09AM
1. Some companies seem to be shooting way too much porn. 2. Companies know there will be industry shutdowns where new stuff cannot be filmed because everybody is quarantined. Just look at how many there have been the last few years-especially last year with all the positive test results. Having a backlog of scenes they can release makes sense in that regard-if the shutdown is only a few weeks it isn't that much of a problem, but if there were to be multiple test failures at once & they were on lock down for months then the companies would have nothing to release. 3. Poor administration-Vicky Vette shot a scene for Naughty America around 2005/2006 & they 'lost it' until 2009 or 2010 I think when they 'discovered it' & released it-by this time she was long retired & only working for her own website.
Edited by - pervybrit50 on 2/17/2014 10:33:59 AM
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Posted - Feb 17 2014 : 10:12AM
It could-although I don't think they sit on scenes for that long-more like 6 months or so, maybe a year sometimes. However I believe that they also own the Mofos site which often releases stuff that was filmed 2 or 3 years prior.
I talked to a star about unreleased scenes, the reasons she gave where the male was drunk and acing stupid or he couldn't get it up even with Viagra. I have seen so many bad scenes I doubt there is anything these producers wouldn't release if they actually got some kind of sex shot
I think poor scene management is a big reason too and they just "forgot" and loose the scenes. Hopefully someday someone finds it in their archives.
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Posted - Feb 17 2014 : 10:36AM
If true what a bunch of dumbos-drinking is one of the major issues in not being able to get wood. Can't you just wait until after the scene to get sloshed?
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Posted - Feb 17 2014 : 10:39AM
Yeah, I can understand losing a scene with some random first time performer who wasn't that good & never did anything else, but losing/forgetting about a Vicky Vette scene? Oh look I have a recording of one of the hottest women on the planet screwing that I have paid her for-think I will stick it down the back of the sofa for safekeeping.
Mofos just put up an unreleased Savannah Paige (who's probably been out of porn for more than a year) scene dated 5/23/2011, so it is possible a scene from February 2012 could still be released at some point. As to why these companies hold on to certain scenes longer than others I really have no clue. Edited by - Reggie86 on 2/17/2014 11:10:06 AM
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Posted - Feb 17 2014 : 10:38PM
It's all about standards. Maybe in the company's opinion the scene sucked and they'd rather eat the scene than have a reviewer such as myself say the scene sucked. Not to say my reviews are on the same level as Roger Ebert, but the lighting could be off, there could be technical issues, or any number of things lacking that I'll mention in a review. I do a pretty decent job of reviewing releases and some of my contemporaries such as Captain Jack will say the same things about a release as I do. If 100 people decide not to buy a release at $20 because our reviews mirror each other, that's $2000 in lost sales versus sucking up $1000 and not releasing the scene. Non porn example: I'm a pretty good cook and more than once I've cooked for a group. Sometimes things fall flat and a recipe isn't up to my entertaining standards. Sure, it's okay, and I'll eat it myself, but I'll never serve it to guests and they'll never know I even cooked it. I'd rather eat the $20 by myself than have 10 people turn their nose up at my cooking.
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Posted - Feb 18 2014 : 12:24AM
^^ I see what you're saying but you'd think once a director gets to the level of working for a porn studio that he knows his shit (otherwise why would he get hired by well-known companies like Brazzers) and would shoot a scene decent enough to be actually RELEASED, not kept in some backlog or vault somewhere.
There are many reasons why scenes are not released at all or immediately. Some reasons why a scene will never be released: Technical problems: like messed up sound, faulty or lost tape, corrupted files and whatever else you can think of. Those happen, especially when you're working low budget, like in most porn. Paperwork problems: not many US studios will take the risk to release a scene if there is even the slightest error in the paperwork, like a missing signature, an illegible copy of an ID or even a wrong date. Studio vs. producer problems, they get in a fight (over money f.i.) and the producer never hands over the masters. Some reasons for a (long) delay: A studio buys a whole bunch of scenes from one producer and does not want to use them all at once. Big websites like Brazzers might have many months (or even years) of updates queued up and scenes are not released in the order they were shot. Simply forgetting (due to misfiling or so) that you have a scene. Even in a small company like we are that can happen. "Hey, look in this box, did we ever use this? No, why not? I thought we did. No we didn't" If you're a DVD producer, the scene might not fit in with the rest of the scenes you want on that DVD, so you file it for later. Our company record for time between acquiring a scene and using it is over six years!
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Posted - Feb 19 2014 : 1:20AM
Most porn companies operate LOW budget? Why would they do that for? Are you referring to companies like Brazzers, JulesJordan, EvilAngel, Wicked, Vivid, etc. or amateur porn websites/companies?How common are scenes not released due to some random minor error? If what you're saying is true there are all these scenes just sitting somewhere that people took the time, money, and effort to shoot and then someone puts down an incorrect date and it just gets shelved in some vault never to be seen, that makes absolutely no sense.
2257 is serious business. One clerical error on the paperwork and someone finds out about it and that can be a fine that I believe would be measured in the thousands of dollars, if not the tens of thousands. Plus being made to pull the scene (if it's a website).
^Not just a fine, you're looking at possible jailtime. Cloudburst, compared to any mainstream movie company or even any company that shoots commercials all porn companies are low budget. Jacco
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Posted - Mar 8 2014 : 12:38PM
Years ago Annie Cruz mentioned that she filmed an unreleased scene.Here's the full thread: Annie Cruz squirted 50 times with Jack Napier. That was 2010, now it's 2014 and I'm still waiting for that scene to be released!
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Posted - Mar 10 2014 : 2:19PM
Still can't understand why studios would take the time and money to shoot a scene and then leave it sitting somewhere on a hard drive for all eternity, what a waste...
Years ago when Jenna Jameson was in the prime of her website days, she talked about a film she shot in her Loves Jenna series. I think it was Sylvia Loves Jenna. To my knowledge it never got released.
This topic has become more relevant due to the shutdown, as now many companies have to shift their release schedules in an attempt to draw out the content they have for an extended period of time. Clearly keeping a "vault" of unreleased scenes can be useful.
There are companies which have huge vaults and could keep the same schedule for a while. As was mentioned before in this thread, some companies simply shoot a lot of scenes, and their release schedules are sparse enough that there's just never a dent.
I'm curious about what situation each company is in. Obviously since sites like XEmpire and VMG sites have adjusted their release schedules, they don't have a huge backlog.
FreakMob Media and Dickdrainers clearly don't have to worry for a while. [Tweet is no longer available] [Tweet is no longer available]
They flooded the market and now they have to pull back. Releasing a solid project (5 scenes) ever quarter instead of a scene a week would be ideal, give them time to plan out the actual scene. At least they're not soap operas or daytime talk shows and even then soap opera companies have episodes in the fault or run re-runs. Daytime shows such as jeopardy, Maury, wheel of fortune shoot 5 shows a day. Performers are more like athletes rather than talk show hosts, don't put extra strain on your body. Slowing down to 1 scene a month would be sufficient, after all you're not charging weekly access.
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