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| oldguy Senior Member 1270 Posts 3/06 |  Posted - Aug 4 2012 : 5:48PMI can certainly understand why porn tubes are off limits on this site but we are not naive enough to think that members do not go to them. Most of us cannot afford too many DVD's from the legitimate porn producers thus we frequent them from time to time especially when we need visual aids to get off or to view our favorite stars. Any helpful hints on how to break this habit as we sincerely do not want to short change members that are porn producers, directors, actors, etc. [Link] |
Bill  All-Star Member 5334 Posts 6/00 | Posted - Aug 4 2012 : 6:59PM [Link] |
| pat362 Senior Member 10078 Posts 3/10 | Posted - Aug 4 2012 : 9:47PM There are always going to be reasons to justify using tube sites for your porn fix but none of them is any better than the other and all of them are why the porn industry is where it is. Here`s something to think about. If tube sites had been around when Shayla started doing porn then I can assure you that you wouldn't have as many movies with her in them if any. [Link] |
| Bill All-Star Member 5334 Posts 6/00 | Posted - Aug 4 2012 : 11:43PM [Link] |
| angryassdrummer Member 559 Posts 3/11 | Posted - Aug 4 2012 : 11:52PM so we can pretend on this site like they dont exist but in reality thats how 99% of people watch porn no one is going to pay for it if they dont have to.. no one feels sorry for a porn producer that they are not getting their money i have spent thousands on porn since i was a teen and refuse to spend one single more cent on it. [Link] |
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| ninja1 Senior Member 2939 Posts 1/08 | Posted - Aug 5 2012 : 12:10AM [Link] |
| deusnova Member 54 Posts 1/12 | Posted - Aug 5 2012 : 1:55AM That's a good point, but then you have the issue of torrents. [Link] |
| Jambavant Member 82 Posts 10/10 | Posted - Aug 5 2012 : 7:10AM Internet has changed everything, and we have a hard time adapting so everyone can reap the benefits. I really don't mind piracy, but I cannot stand people thinking it's ok not to spend money on legal content. Download whatever you want, but spend some. Back on the subject, some internet sites advertize their videos on tubesites, so not all videos on tubesites are illegal. Some are just as legal as galleries. But then I understand it would take too much time to mod, and people would eventually abuse the system... [Link] |
| pat362 Senior Member 10078 Posts 3/10 | Posted - Aug 5 2012 : 8:04AM Legitimate porn sites have to advertise on the very tube sites that stole their content simply to make a few measly dollars from partner prorgams and what not. That Doesn't make the tube site any less illegal? It just makes them that much more evil. [Link] |
| Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07 | Posted - Aug 5 2012 : 10:31AM I mostly just watch the clips for stuff I'm not able to buy or find. Like fisting, Japanese stuff, and other stuff that isn't typical US porn sold on DVD. I'll probably start buying or at least try out some of the DANCING BEAR type porn because of what I've seen on those sites because for some reason I find that strangely entertaining. But I would've never seen that stuff if not for a those tube sites. So for people like me who only the tube sites as a preview tool there's nothing really wrong with them. Some of them aren't meant to be anything other than that and that's why they don't have the whole scene up and the quailty is just good enough to allow you to see what's happening. The real problem with tube sites is when people decide they're going to use it as a substitute for not buying porn. They try justify it by saying stuff like "Today's porn sucks and isn't worth the money" or "I don't have money to buy porn" or whatever lame excuse they can come up with to justify what they know is wrong. I don't even think it's that bad if a person watches tube site stuff as an addition to the stuff they buy but the people who just refuse to buy or pay for any content are the ones who are killing the porn biz. [Link] |
| LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05 | Posted - Aug 5 2012 : 10:35AM This site do not want to help them to do more damage than that they already did avoiding any addressing to them from here. Actually we all know that most of the times people here asks for ID of actresses just to have a proper name and to find more stolen content , yet we pretend not to know that and VERY kindly give them an answer , after all there are those who actually want to know to get legal content from legitimate sellers , they are few yet they exist. In short you won't point out the location of a bank to a robber , would you? [Link] |
| utopiaa Member 610 Posts 7/11 | Posted - Aug 5 2012 : 11:13AM Sometimes i think what kinda my porn paysite would be if i ever created one :) One idea i been thinking is what would happen if porn sites would offer the lower quality ( say 240p oe 360p ) version for free when streamed, possibly with some adds, and if you pay for membership you could get the fullHD one and download the scene.. That way you could get some income atleast, as it would most likely end up in internet somewhere. Then those who want better quality could pay for it. Don't know if that would work tought. Edited by - utopiaa on 8/5/2012 11:15:22 AM [Link] |
| ninja1 Senior Member 2939 Posts 1/08 | Posted - Aug 5 2012 : 12:05PM [Link] |
| T0MBOne Senior Member 1200 Posts 5/08 | Posted - Aug 5 2012 : 4:36PM Edited by - T0MBOne on 8/5/2012 4:37:08 PM [Link] |
| ukmg Member 65 Posts 11/10 | Posted - Aug 5 2012 : 5:33PM ukmg [Link] |
| LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05 | Posted - Aug 5 2012 : 6:00PM action have been taken for example some sites get shut down often file sharing sites get closed regularly , last of them Oron from august first who already had a lawsuit on July 4 but managed to deal by giving all the names and address of his customers and other data about them useful to identify them and their traffic, then another lawsuit reached them along with hotfile , filesonic and fileserve although these two were already closed for sharing since the megaupload affair last year.Oron was closed a week ago it has been active eleven years. It is unclear the position of Rapidshare it has been mentioned but it is based in Germany so an American lawsuit has no effect on it Interesting thing oron owns some sites where people share links to download so its shut down may lead to the shutdown of many sites , Oron also used an aggressive marketing strategy so that forced many to use its server and banning competitors so that its closure will lead to a major loss of shared material not a bad thing Edited by - Laurie Cameron Fan on 8/5/2012 6:06:01 PM [Link] |
| Seijuro Senior Member 1389 Posts 12/09 | Posted - Aug 5 2012 : 7:13PM [Link] |
| pat362 Senior Member 10078 Posts 3/10 | Posted - Aug 5 2012 : 9:08PM The second pronblem is that I don't think most guys are like you and only visit tube sites to see a particularly new girls scene. I'd also like to add that if the new girl is already on the tube sites then that's another example of why they are so bad for the industry. Seeing a 10 years old scene on a tube site is one thing but seeing a brand new one is quite another. [Link] |
| Goldstein All-Star Member "You have sacrificed nothing and no one." 3689 Posts 8/10 | Posted - Aug 5 2012 : 10:32PM News Analysis By NICK BILTON August 4, 2012 STOPPING online piracy is like playing the world’s largest game of Whac-A-Mole. Hit one, countless others appear. Quickly. And the mallet is heavy and slow. Take as an example YouTube, where the Recording Industry Association of America almost rules with an iron fist, but doesn’t, because of deceptions like the one involving a cat. YouTube, which is owned by Google, offers a free tool to the movie studios and television networks called Content ID. When a studio legitimately uploads a clip from a copyrighted film to YouTube, the Google tool automatically finds and blocks copies of the product. To get around this roadblock, some YouTube users started placing copyrighted videos inside a still photo of a cat that appears to be watching an old JVC television set. The Content ID algorithm has a difficult time seeing that the video is violating any copyright rules; it just sees a cat watching TV. Sure, it’s annoying for those who want to watch the video, but it works. (Obviously, it’s more than annoying for the company whose product is being pirated.) Then there are those — possibly tens of millions of users, actually — who engage in peer-to-peer file-sharing on the sites using the BitTorrent protocol. Earlier this year, after months of legal wrangling, authorities in a number of countries won an injunction against the Pirate Bay, probably the largest and most famous BitTorrent piracy site on the Web. The order blocked people from entering the site. In retaliation, the Pirate Bay wrapped up the code that runs its entire Web site, and offered it as a free downloadable file for anyone to copy and install on their own servers. People began setting up hundreds of new versions of the site, and the piracy continues unabated. Thus, whacking one big mole created hundreds of smaller ones. Although the recording industries might believe they’re winning the fight, the Pirate Bay and others are continually one step ahead. In March, a Pirate Bay collaborator, who goes by the online name Mr. Spock, announced in a blog post that the team hoped to build drones that would float in the air and allow people to download movies and music through wireless radio transmitters. “This way our machines will have to be shut down with aeroplanes in order to shut down the system,” Mr. Spock posted on the site. “A real act of war.” Some BitTorrent sites have also discussed storing servers in secure bank vaults. Message boards on the Web devoted to piracy have in the past raised the idea that the Pirate Bay has Web servers stored underwater. “Piracy won’t go away,” said Ernesto Van Der Sar, editor of Torrent Freak, a site that reports on copyright and piracy news. “They’ve tried for years and they’ll keep on trying, but it won’t go away.” Mr. Van Der Sar said companies should stop trying to fight piracy and start experimenting with new ways to distribute content that is inevitably going to be pirated anyway. According to Torrent Freak, the top pirated TV shows are downloaded several million times a week. Unauthorized movies, music, e-books, software, pornography, comics, photos and video games are watched, read and listened to via these piracy sites millions of times a day. The copyright holders believe new laws will stop this type of piracy. But many others believe any laws will just push people to find creative new ways of getting the content they want. “There’s a clearly established relationship between the legal availability of material online and copyright infringement; it’s an inverse relationship,” said Holmes Wilson, co-director of Fight for the Future, a nonprofit technology organization that is trying to stop new piracy laws from disrupting the Internet. “The most downloaded television shows on the Pirate Bay are the ones that are not legally available online.” The hit HBO show “Game of Thrones” is a quintessential example of this. The show is sometimes downloaded illegally more times each week than it is watched on cable television. But even if HBO put the shows online, the price it could charge would still pale in comparison to the money it makes through cable operators. Mr. Wilson believes that the big media companies don’t really want to solve the piracy problem. “If every TV show was offered at a fair price to everyone in the world, there would definitely be much less copyright infringement,” he said. “But because of the monopoly power of the cable companies and content creators, they might actually make less money.” The way people download unauthorized content is changing. In the early days of music piracy, people transferred songs to their home or work computers. Now, with cloud-based sites, like Wuala, uTorrent and Tribler, people stream movies and music from third-party storage facilities, often to mobile devices and TV’s. Some of these cloud-based Web sites allow people to set up automatic downloads of new shows the moment they are uploaded to piracy sites. It’s like piracy-on-demand. And it will be much harder to trace and to stop. It is only going to get worse. Piracy has started to move beyond the Internet and media and into the physical world. People on the fringes of tech, often early adopters of new devices and gadgets, are now working with 3-D printers that can churn out actual physical objects. Say you need a wall hook or want to replace a bit of hardware that fell off your luggage. You can download a file and “print” these objects with printers that spray layers of plastic, metal or ceramics into shapes. And people are beginning to share files that contain the schematics for physical objects on these BitTorrent sites. Although 3-D printing is still in its infancy, it is soon expected to become as pervasive as illegal music downloading was in the late 1990s. Content owners will find themselves stuck behind ancient legal walls when trying to stop people from downloading objects online as copyright laws do not apply to standard physical objects deemed “noncreative.” In the arcade version of Whac-A-Mole, the game eventually ends — often when the player loses. In the piracy arms-race version, there doesn’t seem to be a conclusion. Sooner or later, the people who still believe they can hit the moles with their slow mallets might realize that their time would be better spent playing an entirely different game. Nick Bilton is a technology columnist for The New York Times. [Link] |
| Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07 | Posted - Aug 6 2012 : 12:19AM But the tube sites are certainly doing far more harm than good. I just don't think there anyway to stop piracy without the government getting involved and I'm not too keen on the government getting involved with porn in any capacity. There just too many people who feel it's perfectly okay to put that content on the web and even more people who feel it's okay and even their right to watch it for free. I expect that type of behavior from kids when it comes to music but I'm disappointed adults who should know better and particularly real porn fans would do that. I'm sure most people have their excuses and justifications for doing it but it doesn't matter because they're all aware of how it's hurting the porn biz. [Link] |
| Goldstein All-Star Member "You have sacrificed nothing and no one." 3689 Posts 8/10 | Posted - Aug 6 2012 : 12:01PM In fact, legitimate returns (e.g. vendors, studios, performer's sites) are few and far in between. Internet search engines are the tail wagging the dog here. And, they are driving more-and-more visitors to illegal content. Perhaps, legitimate industry sites need to employ tactics to improve their page rankings? (And, I don't mean the kind of crap where generic non-porn related searches take you to porn sites.) There are companies that offer to improve your web-page rankings. Are they legitimate, and do they work? Edited by - Goldstein on 8/6/2012 12:01:27 PM [Link] |
| mharris127 Senior Member 1844 Posts 8/09 | Posted - Aug 6 2012 : 11:02PM As for improving web-page rankings I understand that was possible ten to fifteen years ago but is very difficult if not impossible to do now. [Link] |
| killbillvol69 All-Star Member ^Lucy Pinder 18631 Posts 4/08 | Posted - Aug 6 2012 : 11:24PM It's crazy. There must be some way of making all the illegal sites show up last, rather than first. [Link] |
| Goldstein All-Star Member "You have sacrificed nothing and no one." 3689 Posts 8/10 | Posted - Aug 7 2012 : 7:24AM They show up first because they get the most page views [o\|] [Link] |
| pat362 Senior Member 10078 Posts 3/10 | Posted - Aug 7 2012 : 8:02AM [Link] |
| Dan Senior Member 2056 Posts 6/07 | Posted - Aug 7 2012 : 8:10AM A good example is the trailer from Big Wet Asses 21. The company that made the film has released a free trailer of it for everyone to watch for free. This trailer shows some pretty good sex, probably some of the best moments in the movie. But it doesn't show you how the couple got to those best moments. You need to buy the movie to see the whole thing. I think this trailer from Big Wet Asses 21 hooks a lot of people into buying the film. Not everyone who watches the free trailer buys the film, but most of those who don't buy probably wouldn't have bought it anyway. They are the people who either can't afford to spend money on porn, or their interest is lukewarm, not enough to buy porn films. And releasing porn movies on DVDs might not be such a good idea anymore. This is old technology, and it doesn't work so well in terms of copyright protection. It's much harder to copy video content from streaming video sites, such www.firstanalquest.com for example. All the porn company need to do is advertise its streaming video content widely, with links for people to click on. [Link] |
| Goldstein All-Star Member "You have sacrificed nothing and no one." 3689 Posts 8/10 | Posted - Aug 7 2012 : 10:16AM If I can't buy the DVD, or download DVD-quality (or better) video files with no DRM schemes, I have no interest in spending money on it. Porn is important to me. I want to physically possess and own my porn. If I can't possess and own my porn, I am no longer a porn consumer. Surely, the desire to keep the little fucks with the black fingernail polish from stealing content -- content they will never pay for, ever -- can be balanced with providing content to people like me who actually pay for it? I'm a "buy" sexual :) I can't be the only one who feels this way. [Link] |
| Rosco Fuji Deactivated User On the licking stick, Mr. Magic Dick! 3309 Posts 2/09 | Posted - Aug 7 2012 : 4:43PM [Link] |
| JohnW Senior Member 1351 Posts 6/08 | Posted - Aug 7 2012 : 6:22PM The current battle is lost. Piracy will not go away, it will probably just become worse. I've said this before but things have changed. The old model doesn't work anymore. No matter how much you enforce it, no matter how many teens or single moms you imprison. It doesn't matter how much it sucks for producers, performers, musicians, etc. It's just a matter of fact in the world we are living in. Content produced might be worse for it, people will lose their jobs, and much crap will follow... But again, that's how it is. Fight it all you want and I'm not blaming anyone, but I think it is time to move on from denial to acceptance of the new reality. [/rant] [Link] |
| fevrinnn Member 42 Posts 6/12 | Posted - Aug 7 2012 : 6:23PM [Link] |
| Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07 | Posted - Aug 7 2012 : 9:23PM I've heard at least a time or two that features tend to be pirated less than typical scenes of Gonzo porn. Is that true? I have noticed that at least on the couple of tube sites I've been on I don't recall seeing any scenes from a feature (or at least I couldn't tell if they were). I've also noticed that I've never seen a DIGITAL PLAYGROUND scene on a tube site (or at least I didn't recognize it if it were). There does seem to be some companies that don't get pirated as much. Why is that? How do movies/scenes end up on the web before the movie comes out? I saw links to the Octomom movie before it was released. Who's posting content before it hits the stores? What's the difference between a tube site and a torrents site? I've never been on a torrent siate to my knowledge. Are tube sites more legit than torrents? Most tube sites don't seem to be hiding and offer membership. [Link] |
| Harri Patel Senior Member #SDNY he's all yours. -- Michael Steele 5110 Posts 3/03 | Posted - Aug 8 2012 : 1:37AM [Link] |
| BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Aug 8 2012 : 1:55AM @Goldstein, I watch a lot of xxx VOD on adultempire.com, moviemonster.com and hotmovies.com. Full length features or gonzo videos are often available for download DRM-free on adultempire.com in usually quite high quality. [Link] |
| Harri Patel Senior Member #SDNY he's all yours. -- Michael Steele 5110 Posts 3/03 | Posted - Aug 8 2012 : 1:56AM Neither technology is inherently more legit. Either the material is being distributed in a way that is contrary to someone's intellectual property rights (which is usually, but not always, the case), or it isn't. [Link] |
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