^ a9nostic ; The fact that Amelia went back for a second scene implies shes cool with FA - ergo no sympathy required relating to her involvement with FA. Should we feel sympathy regarding her other issues outside of FA like the self harm, schizophrenia ? Probably but that has nothing to do with FA. You can sympathise with her regarding her problems but still recognise that she has a life to lead and do what she wants to do and shes is entitled to work for FA as much as any other girl. Theres a GG scene where a girl admits to being gang anally raped by her brothers and his freinds fron the age of 8 - pretty horrifying stuff , Jimmy says hes almost sympathetic but has to admit its giving him a boner. Lots of girls have baggage worthy of sympathy but that dosnt detract from their ability to give boners nor make them any less worthy participants in porn. I can dig her name out if references are required. Previously you said (to me) "So you have no sympathy for someone who, for whatever reason, felt that appearing in a Facial Abuse scene where she is guaranteed to be verbally, psychologically, and physically abused was an option that she should take? You don't wonder at all how bad her *other* options must have been? A really fucked up thing you got paid for is still a really fucked up thing." That applies equally to all girls who perform for FA , so do you feel sympathy for all the girls ? Edited by - ben mockridge on 10/7/2015 3:12:24 AM
As I said in an earlier post, at the same time I'm watching (and getting off to) FA, I still don't understand the thought processes that lead a girl to sign up to make (arguably) misogynistic porn for (arguably) misogynistic men to beat off to. It's the "What is going on in her head? Is this real? Is it faked?" angle that makes this stuff so grimly appealing.
^ Why can't they just be doing it because they're being paid, and maybe they're not actually enjoying it. On a related point, some people who have it fixed in their minds that the world hates women and that all men are bastards, are always searching for females in sex industry who will say they hate what they did/do. And when they inevetibly find such ladies, offer these women's experiences as evidence of this.
True, it's us men who are always made out to be the bastards but the fact is this material wouldn't exist were it not for the willingness and co-operation of the women who do it. Whether they're purely doing it for money (as I expect most are), it sets woman against woman and basically denigrates the entire sex. I just can't help but think of the ordinary girls out there (the kind who would would balk at the thought of doing porn) who have no idea such extreme material exists. It wouldn't surprise me one jot to learn there were innocent women out there who have suffered horrible treatment in the bedroom as a result of their husband/boyfriend watching this stuff. Don't the women who do FA think about these things? I know I sound like I'm moralising. I'm not - as I've already said, I do enjoy cruel and extreme pornography. The women in front of the camera have made their choice. I just can't help thinking of the damage they may be doing to women outside the industry. Hey, maybe I do have a conscience after all - who knew?
Right, because crying from BEING HIT IN THE NOSE is a totally natural reaction. Happen to anyone. Whether you realize it or not, we're done here... I am not going to debate with someone that won't classify hitting someone in the nose as abuse. Not out of some sense of moral superiority, but because we have absolutely no common ground on which to build a proper argument.
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Posted - Oct 8 2015 : 1:32AM
She mentioned on Twitter that she'll be in Joanna Angel's next feature. She's also had her inverted cross tattoo between her breasts covered up (I liked it but oh well), perhaps to get more work? Edited by - misspornUSA on 10/8/2015 1:32:36 AM
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Posted - Oct 9 2015 : 2:07PM
^Maybe the thinking is that she'll appeal to a wider range of viewers if they don't see her as making a statement against the Christian faith. Then again, I recall noticing that she another inverted cross oh the outside of her leg. I'm just guessing as to her motivations, but whatever her reason for getting the tattoo covered up is I hope that she's successful in the industry.
I've dated women who enjoyed being what some people might call "degraded." Isn't it THAT woman's job to decide whether or not I degraded her. Not someone peeking in our window or the person with their ear pressed to the wall?
^ I don't think it's the same thing when done in one's personal life. What you and your ex did behind closed doors wasn't meant for public consumption. The issue with 'degrading' porn - some might say all porn - is whether it leads to damaging perceptions of women as a whole.
^ I think this is more addressing the idea that no woman, whether in porn or in private, could actually enjoy such acts. I always find it a bit strange that when people claiming to be from certain rights groups make negative assertions about aggressive or group sex, they rarely seem to seek out women who claim to enjoy such things and get their perspective. (I think this is really to fit a narrative that any woman who claims to enjoy such things has just been brainwashed by men.) Having said that, I do worry about the effects of aggressive porn when being seen by young, or not fully with it, people.
So that's one of my issues with this kind porn. (You didn't include that the part. ) And thinking about it more, its existance means it WILL be seen by young people and people who aren't mentally fully competent. We can imagine what those effects could be. So, all in all, I would prefer this kind of porn didn't exist.
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Posted - Oct 10 2015 : 12:13PM
I think that leads to the even bigger issue that there are too many people that don't understand what they are watching. Porn is not reality. It isn't real. It is a performance. Just because the sex isn't simulated doesn't mean that everything else isn't scripted, directed, produced and otherwise created as a work of fiction. People don't seem to understand that these are performers portraying roles, not people living their lives. Your favorite pornstar isn't real. She is a character playing a role. Just because the acts that take place during a porn scene aren't simulated doesn't in any way change the fact that the scene being produced is fake. It. Is. Not. Reality. And that misconception is very much why people think that porn is degrading and misogynistic more than anything else. In The Wolf of Wall Street Jonah Hill got punched right in the fucking face in order to get the shot to look real. But because we know that movie isn't real (even if based on a true story) not one single person thought the message of that movie was that it's okay to punch people in the face. We understand that movies are fake so that isn't an issue. But porn is designed to make you think it's real. And that's the double edged sword. It isn't as effective if we can't believe it's real, at least in the moment, it needs to be convincing to be effective. But when it seems so convincing our brains start to assume it is. So while your yankin your crank, don't think about the fact that what you're watching was probably scheduled weeks in advance and was likely setup by a producer and some agents. And don't think about the camera guy standing there behind the lens, and don't think about the dude standing just outside the shot holding a boom mic over the pair of sweaty fuckers you're watching. Just enjoy the hot sex on your screen. But when you're not watching it, remember the agents, and remember the directors and camera men and boom operators and you'll have a much easier time understanding that it isn't real.
^ Little kids think WWE is real. Then, after much conversation--casual, overheard, in media, amongst peers--on the nature of the art, they gradually grow up and understand fairly easily that it is performance with elements of reality and elements of artifice carefully constructed like on-the-go theater. Those conversations don't tend to happen around porn. People ridicule porn studies, teaching porn, and are terrified of discussing porn. The almost complete absence of porn literacy is a problem.
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Posted - Oct 10 2015 : 12:34PM
If people are so firmly convinced that porn is inherently degrading to the point that nothing could change their mind, why should we care about them? That's the question behind my question so to speak. Whether this kind of porn existed or not, the people described in your comment would still be thinking and saying the same thing.If young people are getting their sex education from porn, do you really think that the porn itself is the problem? Don't you think that problem might be that these youth are so ignorant in the first place? Shouldn't we ask whose fault that is? Perhaps porn producers and directors aren't to blame for how minors perceive what they see in a porn scene.
Also, let's not forget that grown men right here on ADT think Bang Bus is real, think that sex acts on screen happen completely spontaneously and without prior arrangement or discussion, and think those "virgin" porn sites feature actual virgins losing their virginity. Sure, they may well be saying some of these things as a form of dirty talk and circle jerking with their fellow ADTers--fantasizing on a forum when they really know that it's all constructed--but in many cases I think not.
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Posted - Oct 10 2015 : 1:04PM
As a closet feminist im more distubed by the casual use of words like bitch and baby in vanilla porn than i am about the FA GG type stuff that people like to get so upset about. It seems to me that the normalisation of these kinds of words and their usage is more of an immediate denigration to women than most else.
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Posted - Oct 10 2015 : 1:04PM
The problem that we have to get past is that, in the US, the creation and consumption of pornography is still viewed as deviant and low, even by what seems to be a substantial number of porn fans. Indeed, a great many fans seem to be regard adult performance as a low profession, at least for women. That of course, goes way beyond porn into the contradictory social attitudes about sex and female sexuality especially. The widespread backwardness in how American society at large (and not just men unfortunately) views female promiscuity, for example, is definitely something that will keep porn in the "deviant" category for what may be a long time to come.
that too. I've said as much in another thread here. It bothers me far more that the women are labeled as sluts (and that words many variants) than what I know is actually consensual sex between two adults
^ On a related point, what was with making the women call themselves bitch, slut, whore, cum dumpster, toilet? Some of these while actually slapping or choking the woman. And all of this in supposedly non aggressive porn. I know it's common in certain movements to claim men see these things and then think that's what women actually want. But as has been stated here, most men know this is all acting. However I think we need to accept that there are adults who do have issues distinguishing fantasy from reality. And we need to be conscious of the possible effects of this.
I think that gang bangs many times are hot, but for some reason it seems mandatory for those type of scenes to involve the guys choking the girl, hair pulling, spitting in the girl's mouth and in general "roughing them up", some times resembling rape. I get that it's a fetish for a lot of guys who would never do that to a girl IRL, but some scenes may put some really fucked up rape fantasies into some crazy guys' minds. I wish that gangbangs where more about intense/rough sex, some spanking can be hot and dirty talking but it doesn't have to turn into some sort of "annihilation" of the female performer.
^^^ Can I suggest Lisa Ann in Gangbanged 1. Absolutely amazing. It's a a Mason scene, but it's not aggressive/rough at all - nothing like the other Mason gangbang/blowbang scenes I've viewed.
First off i love degradation porn. Especially where the slut is forced to lick a toilet clean. Also lick the cum off the toilet. Any one know of flicks like this? The best one I am aware of is Sasha grey in slut puppies. Her lipstick gets on the toilet. So fucking kinky.
^ Layla Jade memorably licks cum off a toilet in The Gangbang Girl #24. One of my favourite ever scenes and definitely the one that made me a huge fan of LJ. I miss her.
Another form of slut degradation I love to see that is not filmed enough is when the slut has a stud balls deep in her mouth and is forced to say and or sing things like Mary had a little lamb or sing the abc's. That is fucking hot and I can't think of any particular film I have seen that in.
Apart from the FA/LA/GG stable, Legal Porno (which I personally don't have any interest in due to their 'ticketing' system) and Kink (whose stuff I buy on DVD), what would people say are the most 'degrading' sites?
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Posted - Dec 15 2015 : 9:23PM
There was a very good mainstream discussion of porn hosted by Intelligence Squared at at the Royal Institution of Great Britain back in 2013. It was titled "Pornography is Good for Us" and featured two people arguing for porn and another two arguing against it. You can watch it on YouTube. Such discussion is indeed possible.
Bukkake actually began in Japan as a way to punish unfaithful wives. What we see in these scenes probably doesn’t differ too much from the original thing. Since the whole idea began as a punishment, it seems reasonable to believe that gokkun is also just a punishment. But, don’t judge so quickly. If bukkake began as punishment, maybe we should just have some fun with the whole thing. As long as we can pay girls to strip naked and sit in the middle of a warehouse filled with strange men ready to cum in her face, why not let her do just that. You never know what will happen next. After all, watching a girl put herself through such total humiliation in such a painfully slow way is something special.
All my life I've been rejected by women. For me is hot to see a girl swallowing copious amounts of man jizz from homeless ex-convicts, with chronically bad personal hygiene. If the girl is capable of doing that, she definitely will not reject me if I speak to her. So in that point of view it came to me a naturally lust for the kind of women who is capable of doing that extreme behavior and I can even get in love and marry one and respect her. My dream is to travel back in time to the Hailey Young's American Gokkun 3 scene were she swallows the cum from 50 homeless guys. I would loved to smell when she burps cum and kiss her after it. I could even marry her immediately after she swallows the cum all naked and dirty without a shower and in the same place were was the scene. She ended up very messy but I will not have any problem on lick and suck her whole body until clean in the honeymoon. Below is an image of how yummy she ended up after the scene. Edited by - beethoveniano on 7/3/2016 1:00:33 AM Edited by - beethoveniano on 7/3/2016 3:52:30 PM
