You should admit it is not sane to be aroused to women playing the pre teen girl even if you arent a paedophile. Edited by - jukka on 6/25/2016 10:39:09 PM
^ You continuously say PRE-teen , yet you miserably fail to provide A SINGLE EXAMPLE of this, either you provide at least one LEGAL movie with people pretending to be less than thirteen years old or desist from this anyway: and let's not be mistaken they ARE playing the Teen Schoolgirls
It's not our fault your earlier statement didn't gain any traction. ;) In any case, this whole thread is a huge mess, mostly because the OP is either terribly confused about certain terms or is willfully conflating different concepts. Or he's just one of those guys who sees Evil lurking behind every corner.
Let me try to clear some things up. TS should stop using the term pre-teen and use 'under-age' instead. Pre-teens are rather small children and no performer can look like that. Girls will start going through puberty at a young age and will go through a few years of development untill they reach 18 later on, I think that 'window' of what they call 'jailbait' is what he is referring to. We still consider them children and it's perverted but there seem to be a lot of sicko's out there who are into that. I've talked to a few that were on another site once and they're defensive about pedophile accusations, but I have a hard time believing that people who are into 14-16 year olds wouldn't have certain feelings about much younger kids. If some porn producers are aware of what I just talked about and are trying to cater to that audience, then we do have a huge morality issue here regardless of how legal it all is. The case of Lucy Doll is the best point made so far. I'm a member of castingcouch-x and her scene was such a turn-off for the reasons mentioned earlier. Question, is it true that that is not even her real voice? Some posters here said that she sounded a lot different in some other scenes.
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Posted - Jun 26 2016 : 11:22AM
^I don't see any kind of morality issue involved, either huge or small. A legal adult is a legal adult, even if she is portraying a minor. In my opinion this falls into the same category as incest roleplays or, for a more extreme example, rape roleplays. It's a roleplay and not reality. That's not really her sister. That woman is not actually being raped. That woman is not actually a minor. I don't see why we should restrict ourselves top scenarios that are ethical or legal in the real world when we are engaging in roleplay. If your suggestion that people who are attracted to minors 14-16 years old are probably also attracted to prepubescent children is accurate, then pedophilia is apparently the natural state of men, who commonly married girls 14-16 years old all throughout the world for most of out species' history until relatively recently. That calls into question the very classification of pedophilia as a psychiatric disorder. Are we to believe that the world's men shared this psychiatric disorder for most of human history until the law changed in some places? It seems to me that it is more reasonable to clearly distinguish between attraction to prepubescent children and attraction to other minors, rather than alleging that the latter implies the former. Edited by - misspornUSA on 6/26/2016 11:24:01 AM Edited by - misspornUSA on 6/26/2016 11:35:06 AM
^ Still happens in many Countries and is even logical , with a life expectancy averaging 30 or 33 you don't have enough time to raise children to maturity unless you start very soon
^^People back then also did a lot of other things that we consider reprehensible today so you're nitpicking, the last thing I would do is go back in history to find some kind of justification for something that applies to today. Men back then were misogynists in general and perverts for banging girls who barely started their puberty, I have no problem stating that or that I wouldn't be surprised that these 'jailbait lovers' could be into younger kids sexually as well. Would you risk having them around small children? I sure as hell wouldn't even if they could somehow prove that they're exclusively into post-puberty girls.
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Posted - Jun 26 2016 : 12:39PM
^I hate misogyny, but unlike pedophilia it is not a psychiatric disorder. Like I said, your theory seriously calls into question the legitimacy of pedophilia as a psychiatric disorder. If your theory is true, then it would seem that men who are not pedophiles are the ones with the disorder. I don't see a risk in adults who are "jailbait lovers" interacting with small children. The term "Pedophile Panic" comes to mind.
^^lol I'm sure you would tell your friends and they'd agree. You're trying to sound controversial, you would not let these type of perverts around kids if it was up to you. If we're the ones with the "disorder" then that's fine by me, as long as jailbait lovers are lumped in with pedophiles like they deserve. Jeez, sometimes I forget to what lengths some porn fans will go to to defend their fetish. We've actually seriously reached the point in this thread where we're debating wether guys who are into 12-13 year olds are pedophiles or atleast vile.
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Posted - Jun 26 2016 : 1:01PM
^I have no interest in sounding controversial, and I neither assume that "jailbait lovers" are perverts or that they are a danger to small children. Weren't you writing about "people who are into 14-16 year olds"?
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Posted - Jun 26 2016 : 1:01PM
Amazing how one has to point out what should be obvious, isn't it? Hopefully, someone can start a "pornstars against IR/anal child pornography" soon, so the ADT faithful can really get into it What I want know is why hasn't Donald Trump spoken out against this, yet? You know, something like "I'd probably be dating her if she wasn't 15-years-old." Discuss...
Pedophilia: sexual attraction to prepubescent children (usually defined as 13 or younger) Hebephilia: sexual interest in pubescent (early adolescent) individuals, typically ages 11–14 Ephebophilia: sexual interest in mid-to-late adolescents, generally ages 15-19 There is some overlap, but somebody who is into a 17 year old is not a pedophile. Jacco
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Posted - Jun 26 2016 : 2:32PM
^I agree with your conclusion, but I'd like to add a few points of clarification: -Wikipedia gets it right when it uses phrases like "primary or exclusive" and "strong and persistent" to describe the kind of attraction that is involved in those categories. Sexual interest in people aged 15-19 does not make one an ephebophile unless s/he consistently prefers people of that age. -Ephebophilia isn't a paraphilia and really shouldn't be listed with the other two categories. -The status of Hebephilia is very controversial among psychologists, to the point that Hebephilia was not even included in the fifth edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders.
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Posted - Jun 26 2016 : 3:05PM
In 1987, I would have done "Kelly Bundy" (Married With Children, Season 1) in a heartbeat (if I thought I could have gotten away with it). Since Christina Applegate was born in 1971, that would have made her about 15-1/2 years old. So, which type of deviant, exactly, would that have made me? I'm thinking someone at Fox should have been charged with child pornography While we're at it, nobody tarts-up the kids better than our friends at Disney. Discuss...
^I concur. If there is one company that over sexualises it's stars and profits from it than it's Good Old family Friendly Disney. The number of actresses that have gone through that studio and came out nuttier than a fruitcake is huge when compared to most other mainstream studios. Of course part of the problem is that often many of those actresses are older than the role they are hired to play and that is a mixture almost guaranteed to cause problems.
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Posted - Jun 26 2016 : 10:21PM
There are many websites that display this kind of sick game. I am surprised that you arent aware of them or that you are denying the truth. I dont have any example to show you because I dont remember the names of the websites but I can assure you they exist.
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Posted - Jun 26 2016 : 10:29PM
Lets get it straight: being attracted to a girl below 18 is sick. I am talking about those movies when they pretend that a legal girl is supposed to be 15 or below. This guy talked about Lucy Doll is it is such a good example of what I'm talking about
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Posted - Jun 27 2016 : 1:19AM
^The same way I would react to any other consenting adult shooting a porn scene, unless you're arguing that children would be harmed in such a scene, or that the scene would involve sex acts with minors and would therefore be illegal. Edited by - misspornUSA on 6/27/2016 1:19:40 AM
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Posted - Jun 27 2016 : 2:31AM
I have a better idea. Let's not pretend anything. Let's live in reality instead of a fantasy land and address actual problems that actually exist. If the only examples you can give involve someone's imagination I don't think there is actually a problem.
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Posted - Jun 27 2016 : 7:45PM
Face it, the pre teen girl fantasy is sick either for a paedophile or for anybody else.
Posted - Jun 25 2016 : 10:33PM
