I'm sorry but this is a useless argument. The internet is right there for anyone who can read. If a person is ignorant of anything in 2008, it's willful ignorance and you just can't argue that this or that shouldn't be permitted because some people are ignorant. If I was sitting here thinking about jamming something up my ass and I didn't really know what the consequences could be, I could check a medical site and get enough information to make an informed decision in about 20 minutes.I don't know about that. But let me ask you this. If someone is a masochist and they like being a masochist, what business is it of yours? I think I should say that I firmly believe that people own their bodies so you're not going to get anywhere arguing with me.
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Posted - Apr 8 2008 : 9:20PM
I can point to plenty of anecdotes online to back up my claim that ignorance about anal sex is a major problem. The same thing could be said about cigarette smoking a few decades ago. Regulation was required to address that problem (curbing advertisement, funding education campaigns about the risks and consequences of smoking, etc), and it looks to be necessary to address this problem.Perhaps you could, although I have my doubts. There is a lot of conflicting information about anal sex online. It doesn't help that people are intentionally spreading misinformation, downplaying the risks, etc. Anal sex is "cool" right now, and for the people who are being pressured to have it, they might not even care enough to research the risks for something they think isn't too dangerous (after all, if it's so popular, then how can it be bad?).I do. It seems to me that certain unsavory individuals are taking advantage of ignorance and mental illness to mutilate a body part that few people care to pay attention to unless it's being damaged.None. But what should be done, considering what I pointed out above?Where have I argued otherwise? You're creating a straw man argument here instead of addressing my point about responsibility.
A major problem for whom?Not really. All that is necessary is for the information to be out there. If it's out there and it's easy to find, that's enough. I don't need the warning on a pack of cigarettes to know what it's doing to me. First of all, I can feel it. But more than that, there's volumes of information out there on the consequences of smoking.Another question. Do you do anything without knowing anything about it? If you do, whose fault is it if you do it without doing any research at all and get hurt? To me, it's your own damn fault. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that having a ten inch cock repeatedly shoved up your asshole might not be safe or good for the welfare of your asshole. One might conclude that someone considering doing this would consider it prudent to at least look it up online (and when it comes to health, everyone knows, or should know, that you should look for sites with some credibility). But even more than that, anyone who isn't too shy to get buttfucked on camera, probably wouldn't be too shy to just ask their doctor if it's safe. You can see a doctor for $60 and he or she will tell you the truth. The bottom line is that treating people like children doesn't solve anything.You cannot take advantage of people who won't be taken advantage of. If someone wants to be taken advantage of or they don't care, that's their right. It may sound bad but it isn't my problem.What should be done about what? I've told you the solution. Instead of railing against pornographers for "taking advantage of" people, you should be complaining that people don't educate their kids properly and this leaves them vulnerable to people who will take advantage of anyone who can be taken advantage of. And not just pornographers. There are people everywhere who will take advantage any way they can. An 18 year old should be capable of doing research and making informed decisions based upon that research. People don't teach their kids to be responsible and to make informed decisions. Instead, they baby them and take care of all their problems for them and don't make them face the consequences of their actions. We can't simply force everyone everywhere to be responsible for other people's ignorance.Yeah. Responsibility. But it isn't my responsibility to make sure a girl who goes into the porn business knows what she's getting herself into. That's her responsibility. To ask questions. That's all they really have to do.
I have the movie. It's Teen Line from Original Pictures. The scene is rough but she was clearly acting in it. As her actions did not match her words. One rough scene I saw was Melissa Lauren - I want to get face fucked #1 The first time I saw it I literally had to turn it off. Now I love it.
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Posted - Apr 9 2008 : 12:09AM
A major problem for every receptive person who may require expensive surgery to correct embarrassing anorectal problems later in life. If they don't simply live with them because they're too embarrassing to see a doctor about.It's out there, but it's not easy to find. And like I said, there is a lot of conflicting information. Case in point: First google result for "anal sex" risks; "Stories of people permanently damaging or weakening their anal sphincters through frequent anal sex are myths. Anal sex does not lead to an inability to control bowel movements." http://hivinsite.ucsf.edu/insite?page=ask-01-01-04If I suspect that it could somehow impact my health and I'm concerned, then no; I research it first.One might be wrong. (See also: my sig. Anorectal problems are on the rise.) Not everyone is skilled at researching things with a search engine, if they're even interested in doing so. Then they have to figure out who to trust in cases where sources disagree (possibly siding with whomever is saying what they want to hear).You're still evading the point. I wrote: "Seriously, if there were anywhere near as many masochistic women being given permanent facial scars from knife wounds in porn, then the perpetrators would be looking at criminal charges. So, why is it different with the anus?" Why is it different? Shouldn't the perpetrators of injurious acts (recorded for all to see) be held accountable, especially when visible damage to the anus can be indicative of worse interior problems (unlike facial scars)? And yes, these things can be attributed to anal sex, not to constipation etc. Quite a few women have no such anal damage when they first enter porn (18YearsOld.com, Casting Couch, etc), yet it shows up later on, after they start having anal sex in porn. Funny how they went through 18 years of their life without such problems. Poor diets all of a sudden can't possibly explain that for all of them. The Medical Aspects Of Anal Sex Edited by - Blink on 4/9/2008 12:28:09 AM
If the recipient of such damage wishes to hold them accountable, I suppose. But then, they did sign that paper, didn't they? Try taking your car back to the dealer in six months and telling them you didn't realize you were gonna go broke trying to pay for it. Try sticking a fork in your eye and then suing the manufacturer of the fork because now you only have one eye. Try riding a motorcycle without a helmet, crashing and then suing the manufacturer because you didn't know you were supposed to wear a helmet. Of course, they probably include a warning with the motorcycle literature but how many people do you think actually read it? And how am I supposed to know sticking a fork in my eye is a bad idea? What if I'm just ignorant? Shouldn't people who make forks be held accountable for my ignorance? But ultimately, it's a personal choice. If I ask someone if I can punch them in the face and they say yes and sign an agreement saying as much, they're not gonna come back in a week and say they didn't know I might break their nose and knock out two of their teeth. And if they do, they're not going to have much of an argument. As far as I know, a girl could sue for damages if she wanted to and she could prove negligence and that the damage was due to having anal sex. But you seem to be arguing that they should be held accountable anytime damage is done whether the "victim" cares or not. Correct me if I'm wrong. (Disclaimer. I don't really want you to stick a fork in your eye or any of that other stuff. And if you do, don't blame me)
Blink and RandomPrecision: your discussion has now abandoned the subject of this thread, which was providing a list of pornstars and the roughest scenes they have done. Some of these scenes may be anal, some not. The point was to find out just how rough any particular pornstar had gotten it (or given it). But fear not: there is another thread going on right now that addresses your discussion exactly: Rectal Injuries in the Business. You two should continue your discussion there.
@RP - And your discussion was much interesting that the original topic and the bleeding assholes by a very long mile. I would add that it's quite possible to enjoy anal sex frequently over a long period of time and suffer no ill health. Not the rough-house pantomine sex described here - just regular, careful but energetic sex. "Rough" or boisterous sex doesn't have to be brutish.
I guess it really depends on the size of the male partners, the length of the sessions and so forth. I'm bi and have had relatively regular anal sex since my mid teens. I've never really abused my anus but nevertheless, have noticed some loosening and a bit of incontinence at times. I think Blink is right as far as that frequent anal sex does have consequences. I can only imagine that taking large cocks frequently and for long periods of time would only loosen things up even more.
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Posted - Apr 9 2008 : 4:21PM
Please don't put words in my mouth. You wrote the following back in January: "[Damage] can be a cumulative thing... The anus can take a lot but it isn't indestructible and even doing it right, it's just better if you don't do it too often." (Link) The closest I've come is to say this in the same thread: "I can't find any public medical studies relating to the effects of repeated and rough anal insertions, but going by what I've seen, cumulative trauma that builds up over time certainly can lead to rather unpleasant problems." (Link) ^^ I also recommend reading that post for more details about my views on responsibility. Edited by - Blink on 4/9/2008 4:32:32 PM
OK. Fine. I'll just not bother with you, then. You could have told me you were just trolling but I guess I should have known.
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Posted - Apr 9 2008 : 4:37PM
I'm not trolling. I simply want to see medical sources (as in more than one) explain certain things before I take them for granted. What I do think is this: Anal sex that doesn't damage the anal tissues and that only does minimal damage to the rectal tissues is possible, even repeatedly. Of course, I also think that anal sex done so would not feel terribly pleasurable for the penetrator (absence of significant friction and radial pressure), so it'd be somewhat pointless.
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Posted - Apr 9 2008 : 7:02PM
Sorry Blink but that last sentence is Anal sex does not have to be rough or painful for both participants to enjoy/get off. I have had anal sex with girls many times and not caused them pain and enjoyed the absolute hell out of it. What do you have against anal sex anyway? You carry on about it as much as Alex Panzer did about enemas. I don't get it.
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Posted - Apr 9 2008 : 7:29PM
"I think" = opinion You're welcome to your own opinion. As for why I came to that conclusion, I've done a lot of research on anal sex. Read some of my past posts if you're interested in my reasoning, starting with my post linked above in the Rectal Injuries thread.
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Posted - Apr 9 2008 : 10:03PM
^ Maybe the horse wouldn't do anal?
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Posted - Apr 10 2008 : 12:58AM
Yeah, it is; there are simply too many variables. I was a bit annoyed about someone putting words in my mouth, therefore I had to go and stick the horse's foot in it instead.
+3 anyway Carmella Bing: Big Tit Ass Stretchers 6, with Johnny Thrust and Otto Bauer, i think. Double anal, throat fucking, slapping. Wow, it's the roughest scene with Carmella i've ever seen Edited by - leatherface on 4/10/2008 6:27:42 AM
^I saw that scene. At one point she's doing anal doggie and the guy puts his foot on her face and she says, in this tone of disbelief, "are you really standing on my face?" It was kinda hilarious, because it obviously wasn't painful or anything, but you could tell from her voice that she was thinking 'am I ACTUALLY in one of THOSE movies?'
^Dude, you probably don't want to. Seriously. Don't do it. [Edit to say: I guess I was gender specific when I said "dude". You may be a chick. I don't know. Sorry for assuming.] Edited by - killbillvol69 on 4/11/2008 8:05:17 PM
You have to download it, I can't find it at all on DVD. I should warn you as somebody who loves his porn intense and rough Cody LAne's scene is VERY intense. I mean this is to rough porn what Saw is to horror, make absolutely certain you understand. This is a scene where Cody Lane is nearly in tears from begining to end, screaming as three men slap her around her around like a rag doll and fuck her in the ass as she screams "You ASSHOLES" and struggles to keep her legs together. This is a good several steps above anything I"ve seen in terms of sheer violence. IS the rest of Teenline as brutal as Cody's scene?
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Posted - Apr 12 2008 : 1:15AM
In other words, you approve of porn businesses hiding behind contracts to take advantage of people who may be drugged and/or mentally unstable?Unless the porn industry is informing the receptive women of the hazards of rough anal sex, it seems like negligence would indeed apply. And I doubt that they are, or there wouldn't be so many women engaging in it (outside of porn, as well).
Blink are you are shill for the Christians legions against anal sex or what? The Marriage Bed? Oh please...!
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Posted - Apr 12 2008 : 1:36AM
^ Erm, I'm only including that link as anecdotal evidence. Don't ad hom* my sources and me, okay? As I've stated before, I'm an atheist. * http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem.html
Bravo, a topic near and dear to my heart (or hard-on)!!
To address the pyscho-babble first, porn for me is an outlet where I am able to fufill most of my fantasies that i don't get to exercise in my everyday life. While I profess to being versitile in bed, there are still things I would never dream of trying in real life. Therefore I live out my anal gang-bang fantasies through the safe release of adult entertainment. There is something to be said about a solid scene that stretches your boundries and leaves you emotionally and physically drained. Better yet, these scenes eventually leave you with questions about yourself because you may have enjoyed the scene a little TOO much. That being said I woould like to add my favs to the list. Almost anything from Mason or Jake Malone could be on this list. They both have the unique skill of burrowing deep within the soul of their talent and pulling out gut-wrenching/jaw-dropping performances (Witness Mason and Julie Night or Malone with Sasha Knox and his current muse, Bobbie Starr). I applaud a director who is willing to keep the cameras rolling and "get caught in the moment". It gives the action a truly realistic feel far removed from the scripted nature of most films. It might be edgy, but it works. Some of my favorites have been mentioned like Isabel Ice in "Riot Sluts 2" and Catherine Count in "Rocco's Way to Love". Not for the faint of heart, the action gets so wild that you actually fear for their safety (and sanity) at certain points. My adds: Loreli Lee ---Hardcore Training 6 (my new fav) Kelly Wells ---Tear Me A New One 2 Sasha Knox ---Sex Slaves (wide-eyed innocence corrputed before your eyes) Kami Andrews--Riot Sluts (nothing says I love you better than a flash light in the butt!!)
Edited by - Howie Feldersnatch on 4/12/2008 7:16:42 AM
Howie Feldersnatch, You must be my porn doppleganger - I agree with everything you typed (with the exception of "Big Tit Ass Stretchers 6" which I haven't sen but nevertheless tend to not like all fake boob movies. Despite that, I'm going to rent it and see if my instincts are wrong. Please feel free to post more of your favorites. Hopefully, you'll list a few I haven't seen. I'd go and grab those up as well.
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Posted - Apr 12 2008 : 5:05PM
Alright; I don't have a problem with that. I used to be the same way, in fact. Unfortunately, there are people out there who are nowhere near as reasonable--they might desire to and actually do try some of the things they see in porn. (If you want evidence, then see my post here.)I noticed the same thing. After about 10 years, I realized that I enjoy non-extreme scenes much more. These days, I only go for women who never have anal sex (at least, not obviously from visible signs and not in porn), and my perception is that they're happier. I'm still physically drained afterwards, but no longer do I have those nagging questions and emotional drainage. That's not to say I oppose the concept of pushing the limits for people who truly want to do that. It's just getting out of hand nowadays, probably as a result of 9/11; we looked at the sexually repressed Muslims and decided to go the opposite way. Extremism vs. extremism, methinks. And this applies to more than just porn.
"That's not to say I oppose the concept of pushing the limits for people who truly want to do that. It's just getting out of hand nowadays, probably as a result of 9/11; we looked at the sexually repressed Muslims and decided to go the opposite way. Extremism vs. extremism, methinks. And this applies to more than just porn." First sentence: I wasn't saying that I oppose pushing sexual limits in the previous paragraph. Second sentence: Pushing sexual limits [as in nudging the barrier for what's acceptable further] is just getting out of hand, probably as a result of 9/11. (We looked at a sexually repressed society and decided to promote sexual liberty.) Third sentence: I think that is extremism vs. extremism (sexual repression and sexual liberty being polar opposites).
Is that clear enough? Edited by - Blink on 4/13/2008 12:04:08 AM
Blink forget it. Your statement is ignorant, no matter what. For the matter of clearing your previous statement: Who are "We" in your text? Western civilization as a whole, the typical porn consumer, you - speaking about yourself in the third person? And with what authority, or should "we" say arrogance can "we" state that muslims are more sexually repressed then "we" are?
"Big Tit Ass Stretchers 6" just strikes me as a totally hilarious movie title at this moment - literally laughing out loud!
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Posted - Apr 13 2008 : 11:26AM
I disagree with most of Blink's posts on this thread, but he's right about Muslims being sexually repressed. Trust me, the muslims in the east are by far the most sexually repressed people on earth, apart from catholic priests that is...well except for the ones that fancy little boys.
Remember Gauge I'm all into two cocks abusing a pussy which Gauge has done butt this what 90lbs girl has gotten her ass wrecked quite a few times in double anal. To this day I am mystified how two cocks the size of her forearm vandalized her ass.
Brianna Banks with Max hardcore is crazytime. Any GGG film or sexbox flick is off the hook. Annette Schwarz has been ridden hard and put away wet. These girls like getting overhauled: Tons of Anastasia Blue scenes are way rough. Aurora Snow -- lots of stuff Bella Donna Bobbi Bliss Sienna
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Posted - Apr 13 2008 : 4:02PM
Which statement is "ignorant?"Porn watchers in general (i.e. everyone here).Are you serious? Muslim women are forced to wear facial wrappings in public to hide their faces. If that's not sexual repression, then I don't know what is. There are also all of these google results: http://www.google.com/search?q=muslim%20%22sexual%20repression%22
BTW, unless I said things like "I think," "I believe," or "probably" (indications of opinion/guessing), anything I pointed out previously is factual and defensible as far as I'm concerned. More links can be provided, if necessary. Edited by - Blink on 4/13/2008 4:08:56 PM
Don't you get the utter cynism of you posting about muslim women being repressed on a porn board?"I think" that "I believe" that you are "probably" a little bit anal retentive. I provide you with a link to make my statement factual: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anal_retentive I can provide more links, if necessary. Sheesh!
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Posted - Apr 8 2008 : 8:32PM
Anal sex does not have to be rough or painful for both participants to enjoy/get off. I have had anal sex with girls many times and not caused them pain and enjoyed the absolute hell out of it. What do you have against anal sex anyway? You carry on about it as much as Alex Panzer did about enemas. I don't get it. 
