would you kindly recommend some really good P.O.V. dvds that aren't heavy into the anal? I don't mind a little anal, but I don't want it to be the obsession of focus.
Mike John is the king of P.O.V. period. His series Pervertad Point of View for Diabolic ruled the market. He also has a web site and a series from Red Light called P.O.V.pervert
Rodney Moore does some really messy stuff, he was the guy to really bring P.O.V. to the masses but Mike perfected the genre.
Are you messing with me? Or rather, WHY are you messing with me? What'd I do?
I only understand "point of view" as defined in literature. "First person" is when the action is described through the point of view of the narrator. Is "first person point of view" different in cinema?
Hell, I call it "DOOM porn" because it looks like a First Person Shooter (FPS), but instead of weapon in front of you, it's your crank. What do *you* call it?
In the jargon of film, a POV shot is one that is shot from the Point Of View of a character in the film. In gonzo and other verite forms of cinema, this becomes a little fuzzy. When camera/camera op is a character, everything is a POV shot.
IAFD, supporters of beastiality. Just say no. 7564 Posts 11/02
Posted - Nov 14 2003 : 2:18PM
No. I just don't understand the terminology you are using. Your example from literature makes me believe you are confusing point of view (or in this case (narrative) focalization) with articulation. Even then, the way you have explained your example, is still very confusing for me. So I thought I better ask for a clarification, before moving on and saying something stupid. "The action is described through the point of view of the narrator"? Could you explain how the action can be described in another way?
Let me ask another question, in part brought on by TonyC's explanation. What is the difference between a subjective point of view and a objective point of view? In film, of course.
Uhmmm... are we helping Liam out by discussing this here?
Sir Noel Plum said: "Does this subject require analyzing? I'd say about as much as 90% of the things we analyze do."
liam -- any of the Mike John stuff is GREAT!! I can't tell you which ones to avoid for "heavy anal", though, that's not the theme of the series. Some scenes have it, some don't.
====================================================== Walter, ummm...you're right, I was unclear.
First person: Most essay writing and much fiction is written from the first-person point of view, using pronouns such as "I" or "we".
Example: I walk through a mental minefield laden with logical cluster bombs.
Second person: "Second-person" narrative is a mode that may be defined, provisionally, as narrative in which the "second-person," personal pronoun "you" is used to identify and directly or indirectly address a protagonist.
Example: You should exercise your rights as American citizens and vote in next year's election.
Third person: a narrative mode using pronouns such as "he", "she", "they", or "one". The third-person point of view is also known as the third-person objective point of view.
Example: Citizens should exercise their rights as Americans and vote in next year's election.
Just as a humble suggestion, our new POV series is really good. It's POV: Up Close and Personal. When I watched it to write the press release, I thought Monica Sweetheart's scene was amazing.
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Oooooh, liam -- Monica Sweetheart? Know who she is?
Probably anal in that scene, though, she's known for that (God bless her), but (butt?) it probably is not the focus of the entire scene but merely a part (sunchen, details man, details!).
Splendidly gorgeous young woman when they don't overdo her makeup. I hate "raccoon eyes" -- heavy eyeliner. Personal preference, of course!
Yeah I know who she is. She pretty. but the one i hear is good is cum drippers 2 and I hated cum drippers 1. and 2 is so much anal and drinking cum from ass---eh. not for me.
Is mike john's "no cum dodging allowed" considered a POV?
liam, Get DVSX's 'POV: Up Close and Personal'. Its really good, i think there is only one anal scene with Monica. The girls are really hot looking. I am sure you will enjoy it.
IAFD, supporters of beastiality. Just say no. 7564 Posts 11/02
Posted - Nov 14 2003 : 6:58PM
Excuse me, Liam. I don't have recommendations. Just stupid questions. I guess I am trying to impersonate Socrates today.Well, you have just explained linguistic articulation, not so much narrative modes.
Two follow up questions:
1) Could you tell me whose point of view is responsible for the narration in this example:
At that moment he said: "I love you my dear."
as opposed to
It was at that moment that he said that he loved her.
2) Could you translate your three modes to film? How do you propose that first, second and third person points of view can be determined in film? (Important clue coming up) Is it a matter of different kinds of narration or of optical standpoints? Does it refer to the range of knowledge given by narration, or to the depth of knowledge?
Hey Cal thats 3 plugs in one post as per our publicity agreement I owe you quite a few beer dollars. I arranged for you to collect your pay at Bobs Liquor on Lincoln Blvd. Keep this up and I will double your beer pay. Venice beer junkie for life.....M J
Peter Romero's POV Porn can be seen here: www.povporn.comthat was distributed by Devil's Films & now by Hustler under the new name of Porn talent Scout.
These so-called pov productions again demonstrates how the industry takes a gonzo concept and beats it to death. The pov porno only makes sense within the context of an amateur production. Early Ed Powers (even before he did his Dirty Debutante series) projected the idea of a cheap, fat loser, who only has a tripod and an equally cheap camcorder, but enough money to convince girls to fuck him on camera. Holding the tape YOURSELF added to the amateurish look and feel of the production. Rodney Moore did the same thing.
Now it's just become another gimmick: give the porn stud the camera for a couple of seconds to hold.
It's not a gimmick, it's a viable alternative perspective that allows a director a wider range to work with. P.O.V. is here to stay and will always will be used to it's fullest potental by directors in the know. Cal444 Somewhere
At that moment I said "I love you my dear". (First person) It was at that moment that I said I loved her. (First person)
2) Oh, not on a Monday morning hangover. But thinking about it, saying "You should vote" -- places "you", the viewer, in the action space. Is this analgous to saying that using the camera as the viewer's eyes also draws the viewer into the action in the same way? -- therefore, I might now say P.O.V. porn is "second person" because "You should stick it here now" implies "you" the viewer?
I'm really not up to any mental challenges right now. Or less so than usual, that is. Perhaps this discussion at this point does merit its own thread, WB.
Thanks Nyguy, Yeah it was me glad you like it I can’t get to bono-one review either?!? But here check out DVSX.com for free pix’s and trailer in broadban or dialup at http://dvsx.com/clips.html heck check out Alex Ladd and Bryan Xin stuff to and don’t forget Constance le and here little teen’s !!! Yani Z Vizualfilms.com DVSX.com
Great work Yani,Compare to all the other dvd's , all the scenes in this one were good. So when is number two coming out? One recommendation though, please keep the chapter points on the dvd short like most of evil angels dvd. That way if i wanna skip a chapter i dont miss out the whole scene. Thanks
IAFD, supporters of beastiality. Just say no. 7564 Posts 11/02
Posted - Nov 17 2003 : 6:54PM
Well, it certainly has little business in this thread (sorry Liam). However, I vote for us not to start this at all. It would become rather boring very quickly.
Wally said: "Just remember...There is Lucy Lee (the good), Lucy Love (the bad), and Lucie (the ugly)." (Hey, where is my Ennio Morricone CD?)
I just purchased POV up close and personal. It looks pretty good from the pics. Plus it sounds like it's not gung-ho with the anal, which i like.
this will be my first Yani Z experience.
Thanks for all the recommendations peeps ;)
when a director directs a POV, does he have to turn the camera over to the guy fucking the girl, or does he have to basically have the sex himself? how does this usually work?
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769 Posts 4/03
Posted - Nov 17 2003 : 8:26PM
Well Julian is directing for Platinum X Pictures and is doing a P.O.V. line called POV Pinups and with his huge cock in some pretty girls face it's bound to be a winner so check it out next month.
Sorry I'm a little late in responding to this one, but Monica does look really good in POV, I hate the raccoon eyes, too. It just doesn't look right.
Anyway, I'm glad that people are recommending POV:Up Close and Personal. When I watched it I liked it on a personal level. Yes, even though I AM female.
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The beauty of porn is that it is so diverse! Personally, I love POV scenes. Nothing stimulates my fantasy as much - nothing makes me think "that could be me, fucking that beautiful girl" so much.
POV porn rules! Mike John, I worship thee!
If you don´t like it, don't watch it. Personally, POV is the only porn I really need!
Just a quick response to karlwikman's post - I agree! The other good thing about the amatuer pov is that (in my experience) you get a good natural dialogue between model and 'camera' not overstaged unrealistic 'I want 7 cocks up my asshole' type comments AND the guy and the girl are usually really enjoying it and it shows. Some Porn stars are verey good and possibly are enjoying it, but it seems to lose its freshness when you've seen the same girl get the same (or similar) cock up her ass and cum in her mouth for the dozenth time?
For some genuine amateur pov with 'undiscovered' UK talent Please check out
http://www.heels-ass-facials.co.uk/prev_donna.php
and new girl Emma (who actually did work in the office) - she's so naturally highly sexed and horny all the time! and it makes for more exciting viewing and participation(!)
http://www.heels-ass-facials.co.uk/prev_emma.php
Donna Marie (see me on http://www.heels-ass-facials.co.uk/prev_donna.php)
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92 Posts 10/03
Posted - Nov 22 2003 : 4:47AM
Mike John's work is the best in this field. check out povpervert.com
I think it's great that some directors are incorporating POV shots into their scenes, like Mike John (surprise, surprise) with some of the BJ shots in No Cum Dodging Allowed #2 and Vince V. in some of his productions. Thanks guys,
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Allow me to chime in on this discussion, if you see Mike John on the boxcover, under director, buy it, don't hesitate one bit, you won't be disappointed. I have seen more than a few of his DVDs, and have reviewed several of them, and I don't think I've ever seen a bad one. In fact, I don't think I've seen one that doesn't get me off.
In my defense, when you first started posting, you had no avatar and 90% of the people here are male and I'm ignorant of whether sunchen was a male or female name and ... you are quite lovely, man!
Big Mike thanks for your kind words, I miss your reviews,when are you going to come back. Isb4203 glad you like my stuff thanks for the support everyone,more pov on the way.I booked Rita Flatoyano and Roxy for next week.Looking to book Lucy Thai.
Mike John, I must say that the thank you should be to you for the awesome porn, all I do is watch it, whack it, and write about it, you shoot it, and what I said wasn't, or isn't, a line, you are the best at POV, just as other directors are better at other genres.
forgot to say: About when I'm gonna return to reviewing, real soon, I've been watching quite a bit of porn lately, and must say thst the six month "vacation" has reenergized me.
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Darth-Morpheous Deactivated User
1701 Posts 3/02
Posted - Jan 21 2004 : 6:06PM
I just checked out POV pervert from Mike John. He definately is the master of POV!!! The scenes with Katja and Ariana Jolee were pricless! The bonus scene was amazing as well. There is nothing like a first time A2M.
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769 Posts 4/03
Posted - Jan 21 2004 : 9:13PM
Well Julian's POV Pin-Up's has been a hit so far so if you haven't seen it I reccomend it as it's got a very hot cast such as Roxy,Fallon and Sophia all I can say is Yummy!!!
Jewel; I saw the boxcover on POV Pin-Ups on the PXP website, and it seemed that not all content was filmed POV-style... Could you reassure me that it is all shot in POV, or are there regular wide shots as well? Also, does the cock on screen belong to the person who holds the camera, or is it shot in semi-POV (as in, over the shoulder of the male talent)?
Mike John; If you should happen to read this, YOU RULE the POV GENRE! I love your work! Please don't put scenes with Eric Everhard in your POV movies... He is a great performer otherwise, but i.m.o. he lacks your raw talent for POV scenes... He doesn't have your bedside manner... ;) Besides, wouldn't you rather see that it was YOU getting those blowjobs and fucking those ladies, instead of mr Everhard?
Thanks Karlwikman and Darth,my dick always wants to be in every scene.When Everhard does a scene for me its usually because the girl really wants to fuck him and I figure that gives me a good chance at getting a hot scene.
Posted - Nov 14 2003 : 7:07AM
