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Darkness
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Posted - Jan 28 2003 : 5:31PM
In the last couple of months, I have had a few Private discs (I think it is 3) that are showing signs of "rot".

There are white "cloud" type patterns on the underside of the discs, and they either break up during playback or will not play at all.

They are older than 12 months so cannot go back to store with them, an email to Private was along the lines of "take it up with seller, we do not make them faulty" - which does not help.

Was wondering how widespread rot was on discs, if Private were any better / worse than other studios etc.

If anyone is interested, I can dig out my problems titles.

Topic Moved by - saki on Mar 5 2004

Planet Sex
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Posted - Jan 28 2003 : 5:36PM
And they said DVDs were supposed to last forever...
M.B.
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Posted - Jan 28 2003 : 5:38PM
I've got some discs that have the white cloud like stains on them too. But I don't have any that won't play because it...yet.
I've noticed that a lot of my Anabolic and Diabolic discs have white clouds on them, a lot of them.
They will show up occasionally here or there on other companys discs. But by far they show up on Anabolic and Diabolic discs on a regular basis.
I heard that dvd rot was a darker stain, not the white ones you mentioned and the ones I have seen. I do know there was a thread or two a while back here on ADT regarding this topic.
I believe a major studio had a problem with dvd rot, I think it was Warner Bros. with the titles Contact and Matrix.
Planet Sex
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Posted - Jan 28 2003 : 5:53PM
What´s your player, Darkness?

About the CONTACT DVD, I´ve heard that the problem was due to the "glue" that held the double layers, or something like that. But I have this DVD for over two years and it still plays fine.

Pornmaster Mike
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Posted - Jan 28 2003 : 5:58PM
i've seen some new discs that have the "cloud" look to them...

i know Anchor Bay had a rot problem when they released the Heathers tin a while back...

- Pornmaster Mike

 
Darth-Morpheous
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Posted - Jan 28 2003 : 6:02PM
The problem I always seem to have with Private discs is that the disc always falls off the holder in the middle of the box, so the disc is banging around in the box during shippment. One time I got one that was badly scratched and could barely play.
M.B.
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Posted - Jan 28 2003 : 6:09PM
Don't you just hate when that happens (getting a rattler).
Darkness
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Posted - Jan 28 2003 : 6:28PM
My player is an old Sony one, but have tried the problem discs on many different players that friends have - all cannot play them :(
Darth-Morpheous
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Posted - Jan 28 2003 : 6:30PM
I had a sony and it wouldn't play any RLD and some other studios. My Sampo and my Pioneer elite play all these discs flawlessly. My advise, get rid of the sony.
menace
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Posted - Jan 28 2003 : 6:41PM
This is my #1 gripe. You'd think it would be simple for the companies to come up with a way to protect the disc-paper or plastic sleeves, or something. I got so many that I gave up complaining. If it played, I'd keep it. The problem is the resale value is shot.
balabala
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Posted - Jan 28 2003 : 6:46PM
I've never heard of dvd rotting problems. What cause the problem (humidity, players, material used when making the dvd...)? This kinda sucks if the problem happens frequently. I've never had this kinda problem with my dvd's and I am keeping my fingers crossed...
olduser
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Posted - Jan 28 2003 : 7:02PM
Rot was pretty common with Laserdiscs, but the root of the problem was that they were too big, which meant they weighed too much. The overweighted discs resulted in tiny fissures being created due to the stress, which exposed the reflective portion of the disc to the elements and various forms of bacteria and mold. CDs didn't have much of a problem, most likely because of the size (I've sure never seen a CD with rot) so most likely the problem has something to do with the fact that most discs are dual layered. Are all your rotten discs dual layered (usually gold in color, as opposed to silvery)?
lou sapphire
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Posted - Jan 28 2003 : 11:57PM
ive heard it can happen to cds, but dvds too!
this is very worrying.
Planet Sex
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Posted - Jan 29 2003 : 12:02AM
Everytime I see my fuckingly expensive Criterion DVDs and think that in 10 years they all may be dead dead dead, I want to kick some asses.
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Posted - Jan 29 2003 : 8:46AM
I have over 500 discs in my collection, most mainstream and some adult and I've been collecting them over a large period of time. As of yet, I have not had one get laser rot. There was a problem with the original DVD-9's when they first came out due to the glue not being strong enough to hold them together but beyond that there doesn't seem to be much of a problem. There are isolated cases where a disc has succumbed to laser rot but this is nothing to be overly worried about as long as you treat your discs with care, keep them out of direct sunlight, etc you should have your collection for many years to come.

Look how many of you have lost CD's to laser rot. Laser Discs had the problem due to the flexibility of the disc which cracked the seals. But to the best of my knowledge, there is no problem with DVD's that anyone should be overly worried about.

 
aybesea
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Posted - Jan 29 2003 : 10:29AM
I know that in another thread, the issue of backup copies was discussed and dismissed as a thinly veiled attempt at piracy. But I have to say that when it comes to an expensive DVD set (like my Criterion Brazil Box), I definitely have made and stored backup copies of these discs. I have no intention of shelling out another $75 if these discs happen to cloud up.

I have been very luck in that I have experienced very little CD rot in my 10,000 title collection, and thus far my 2,000 title DVD collection has had no fallout (at least that I have discovered). But I'm not willing to wait until one of my rarities has evaporated to make the decision that backups were in order.

This is not an answer for all of my discs, to back them all up would be prohibitive from a time and money standpoint. But it certainly makes sense for expensive and/or rare discs.

In general though, I'm not sure if I'm lucky or if I've stored my discs properly, but as I mentioned my rot rates have been extremely low.

Edited by - aybesea on 1/29/2003 10:32:27 AM

Planet Sex
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Posted - Jan 29 2003 : 12:14PM
You tell me, man. And don´t even get me started on the OOP disks. I have two original editions of Criterion´s SALÓ, and I´m planning on using ´em for my retirement.

Edited by - Planet Sex on 1/29/2003 12:14:20 PM

olduser
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Posted - Jan 29 2003 : 4:21PM
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Edited by - outkastfan on 3/5/2004 12:11:46 AM

aybesea
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Posted - Jan 29 2003 : 4:30PM
Now you sound like my wife!
Walter Burns
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Where do you store her?
(As Hardware once said: Bad Walter! No biscuit!" This internet thing is dangerous. It alters your personality. In real life, I am a nice guy, honest.)

A more important question, for me at least, is, what do you do with all that stuff. Have you listened and seen every CD and DVD you own, and if you did, more than once? If not, why buy the stuff in the first place?

aybesea
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Posted - Jan 29 2003 : 4:56PM
Yes
Some of them
Ahhh... now that's an interesting question. Let's talk music (the bulk of my collection). Many of them I would never have had the chance to hear unless I had bought them. They are just not the radio friendly stuff that you hear every day. So, since I was determined to expand my musical horizons, I went ahead and bought them. I have sold more CDs than I still have, so I would consider my collection dynamic and not ever-growing.

DVDs come in two flavors: Mainstream and Porn. Most of the mainstream fits neatly into the CD paradigm, although online DVD rental is changing that for me... now I can rent much of what I would previously have bought. But not everything as boxed sets, Criterion editions and the like are still not readily available at online rent sites.

Porn is the other culprit, but it is the one with the most replay value. Either I watch it once and sell it (and resale value is fairly good, plus I buy much of my stuff used to begin with), or I keep it a long while and watch it many times. This in my mind represents a good bargain.

The upshot is that I have a true media addiction. I am very aware of this and I have been this way for a long time. At the tender age of 12 (think early 70's) I had an LP collection of 1500 pieces. I delivered papers to afford my addiction. Oh well... it could be worse I suppose.

cultshock
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Posted - Jan 30 2003 : 12:48AM
As previously stated, I believe DVD rot only occurs on dual-layered discs (which is why you don't hear about CD rot). If the two layers aren't glued very well, oxygen can get in between the layers and oxidize the aluminum which can cause problems (usually with the second layer). This is basically the same reason some laserdiscs suffer from laserrot (except in those cases, air bubbles created during the manufacturing process lead to oxidization).
I'm by no means an expert, but I think this is what causes the problem.

Luckily,its only happened to me twice so far, with a DVD of Ghostbusters in which the first layer was fine but the second layer was unwatchable, and my Anchor Bay copy of Frankenstein Created Woman (and yes, the first pressing of their Heathers disc was also a problem one). So far, my adult DVDs are OK!


Edited by - cultshock on 1/30/2003 12:52:47 AM

jrv
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Posted - Mar 5 2004 : 12:46AM
I wonder why this thread, over a year old, shows up as new?

Anyway: there have been incidents with CDs, and I myself had trouble with "bronzing" on a few discs. The culprit turned out to be the paper flyer in the jewel case: the acids in the paper gradually leached into the air and onto the disc, gradually turning the disc an opaque bronze color.

DVD-9 discs are a little different with a few more vulnerabilities than CDs but bronzing could still apply to them if people aren't careful to put only acid-free paper in the box.

More info from Hyperion Records

PS. On any disc I want to last a long time I store it in a jewel case without any paper and store that in a metal box. I don't put labels on data CDs but rather buy inkjet printable CDs and print directly onto the disc.

Saki
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Posted - Mar 5 2004 : 12:50AM
It's because outkastfan decided to edit all of his posts to remove what he wrote. The way the forum software works is that it bumps the thread up to the top if any of the posts in the thread are edited.

And, although I don't like the orgy of locked and moved threads tonight, this one should go to Tech Talk for futher discussion.

- Saki [faqs]

jrv
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Posted - Mar 5 2004 : 1:20AM
Ah - I see. I only looked at the Edited date on the last post.

I knew the thread was stale, but I actually knew of a page where a record company described "bronzing" on CDs so I thought it was relevant enough, since many think this is all urban legend anyway.

 
PrivateVic
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Posted - Mar 5 2004 : 12:27PM
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To my knowledge we havent had any problems with "rot" on any of our DVD's and this is the first Ive heard of it, we pay premium prices to use the best materials on all product we manufacture here in the USA. Being as your in the UK the DVD's may have been replicated elsehwere.
You should be able to return them to the point of purchase for refund, if the discs are a year or more old, is it possible they were exposed to moisture or stored incorrectly??

Best,

Vic

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jrv
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Posted - Mar 5 2004 : 4:24PM
Vic, this is an ancient thread.

I have no idea if there was really a problem with the discs or not. The one incident with CDs of any sort that I know of was caused by the paper insert, not the disc (although some claim the polycarbonate? should have withstood the paper's acid better).




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