After reading a lot of good things about Private here, I decided I should check them out. Since these discs are quite expensive and I had no idea where to start, I decided to get a sampler disc. The disc was only $9 and has tons of trailers on it. Only problem is, my DVD player refuses to play it. It says that ths disc is incompatible... even though the disc claims to have no region coding. Has anyone else had this problem with the sampler or with any other Private disc? I'm a little wary of buying anything from them after this... I've been burned before by discs which claimed to be playable in North America and then were not. By the way, my player is a recent RCA model.
I think that you just have a bad dvd and nothing more. I have a GE player and have had no problems playing Private discs at all. I have rented many from XRent and all have played in my player. Now occasionally I will get a disc that will say what you said and I try playing it again and it has worked just about every time. Now I have had 2 dvds that just wouldn't work in my player and I got different copies just to make sure. One was a Gangbang Bitches dvd #17 I believe and the other was Sperm Burpers 1. Both were black dvds, not sure if that means anything but no matter how many times I tried they just wouldn't play. So I would try renting Private dvds first if you aren't sure but they should play in your player with no problems.
Takeo, I bought a lot of Private dvd's recently and have had a few problems myself. I have a top of the line Toshiba player which has had no problems with all of the feature laden mainstream stuff or most of the porn movies I've watched. I have noticed that on some Private dvd's, I can't see an icon to select the menu options and on other's I have a few problems getting it to work (Devil in the Flesh won't play past the layer change).
Your best option is, as bono suggests, to either rent first or make sure you buy from a reputable dealer who will exchange problem disc's. You might want to get another player as a backup too.
I only buy from DVD Empire... so I think they are quite reputable. That said, I think it's too much bother to try returning a $9 disc. I've had this problem with other so called "no region" discs as well. Probably my player. RCA is not exactly top of the line. I plan on getting a Sony at some point... so maybe then my "bad" discs will be playable.
Takeo, you're right. Empire is reputable and has been pretty good at fixing problems for me in the past. I also agree that sending back a $9 dvd is more of a chore than anything. Some of the newer Toshiba's, RCA's and other brands have had "issues" with region free or feature packed dvd's so at least you're not alone. Hang onto it and you'll be able to play it on your next player (it may be a collectable by then too).
PS: Sony isn't top of the line either but they are good at playing all sorts of disc's and, in the last year or so at least, have a better track record than Toshiba (high end or not) and others...
Huston, I know Sony is not necessarily the best, but I'm sure it's a better than RCA. Also, I already have a Sony Theater Amp and Sony CD Changer and I like the idea of having all my gear fully inter-operable in the future... i.e. if I hit play on the CD player remote, the Amp automatically swithces to the CD inputs. I may not get the best components by sticking with one brand for the whole system rather than mixing and matching, but that's ok. As I say, I like the inter-operability... plus it looks pretty if they all match :)
I've been collecting Private DVDs for about a year now as they are much cheaper here in Toronto, Canada (about US$20 each disc) and for the most part I've been satisfied with them. However, there are a couple of earlier Private titles that won't play properly on my Toshiba SD-3107C DVD player (which is a first-generation player):
a) THE URANUS EXPERIMENT 1,2&3 - on all three discs, the shuttle cursor doesn't show up on the Main Menu screen so you don't know where to navigate;
b) INDECENCY 1&2 - both discs didn't have any sound in everything (movie, trailers and even menus) when they're played;
c) DOMESTIC AFFAIRS - the Additional Titles menu screen is all fuzzy when first accessed.
Now these problems are only present on my Toshiba DVD player because they are working perfectly when played on my brother's new Sony DVD player (which is a third-generation player). I agree with the previous posts that you should rent first because there might be some Private discs that might not be compatible with your RCA player. Also, you should also know that Private has been releasing Samplers as freebies in certain titles (SAMPLER 1 in CALL GIRL; and SAMPLER 2 in COMPUTERIZED SEX CRAVINGS) or Private themselves will send you SAMPLER 2 free if you called a particular Private hotline number found on a flyer in an old issue of Adult Video News. They will also be releasing SAMPLER 3 (with more than 100 trailers) as a freebie with their VIRTUALIA 2: THE FINAL TRUTH DVD probably sometime next month.
I will buy the sampler off you since it doesn't work. email me at ebayaddict187@yahoo.com
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Posted - Jun 24 2001 : 6:50AM
Hmmm... it may be only a hunch, but maybe you must re-configure the region-free settings (something that can be done easily on the remote control). I don't know the exact model of your player, so I guess you'll have to do the hard work and find the correct code here or here.
Planet... thanks for the info, but I think making your player region free actually involves opening up the player and soldering on a mod chip. This voids the warentee of course. Anyway, I think I'll just hang onto the disc (as well as a few other "all region" discs I have that don't work) and hope they play in the new Sony player once I get it. Also, thanks for the tip about how to get these samplers bundled for free!!
Guys, Earlier this year, Private was offering Sampler 2 for free (take a look at this thread for information). I don't know if there was an expiration to this offer.
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Posted - Jun 24 2001 : 3:49PM
Yes, but not always. Some brands allows you to change the region thanks to a hidden, build-in code that you can punch on the remote.
I bought a chipped Pioneer directly from the store (all-region, Macrovision off, tells RCE to sod off), and they got me a 1-year warranty.
Planet Sex, The market for region-free DVD players is not nearly as prevalent in North America as it is in the rest of the world (I would be willing to bet the maybe 1% of all owners of DVD players in the US even KNOW what a region-free DVD player IS).
The reason being that Region 1 gets most (if not all) mainstream titles on DVD before other regions. People are buying region-free players in other parts of the world in order to watch Region 1 discs.
It is not possible to just walk into a store and buy a region-free player. You need to search for someone who is selling them or making the modification covertly.
In the US, the original Sony 7000 series players had a dip switch in them that could switch Macrovision and Region code checking on and off. This was changed very quickly. The other player that could do something without a physical modification was one of the original Apex players (I don't know the model). Essentially this was a DVD-ROM player in an oversized box. It had a hidden menu that could be used to turn off region checking and Macrovision. This too was removed from the market very quickly.
The other thing is that many DVD players from other regions are capable of playing both NTSC and PAL, while Region 1 players only play NTSC correctly. Therefore even if region-free players were available here, they would not be as useful as they are in other parts of the world.
Takeo, I just got my sampler from DVDEmpire as well and tried it on both my Toshiba's 2109 & 3109. I've even had firmware upgrades and haven't had a problem with any disc until this one. I know the box states all regions but the disc has PAL on it not NSTC, I'll email Empire see if they have had other complaints. Damn ruined my night, no love so have to watch war instead! "PREDATOR" go Arnie.
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Posted - Jun 24 2001 : 10:19PM
Well, if your DVD player is hooked on the COMPONENT VIDEO of your TV, you can play PAL discs with no problem. Not the VIDEO IN (the yellow RCE plug), not the S-VHS IN (that funny plug with a lot of little things), but the COMPONENT VIDEO ENTRANCE (the red/green/blue plugs)
Planet Sex, thanks for that info, I'm using S-video and might need that change on some other disc but the problem now is the player reading "disc error". Before I had the firmware upgrade Toshiba early models had trouble with some movies but it didn't read the disc at all, giving a "insert disc" message. This is the first time I've had this message.
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Posted - Jun 24 2001 : 11:12PM
Hmmm. Disc error. The only time I had that, I found out that there was a HUGE scratch in the codebar-thinger printed near the centre of the disc.
Of course, every case is different. Once, my brand new copy of RHPS started to pixelate at a certain moment. The EXACT point, all the time. I found out that there was a pubic hair - yes, a dargagobbit PUBIC HAIR! - stuck to the disc's surface. Cleaned it up, and bingo: problem gone.
I haven't heard this before. How does using Component Video reconcile the different scan rates of NTSC and PAL? Does the disk just play 20% faster?
Do you have any idea whether this would still hold true with a Progressive scan DVD player?
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Posted - Jun 24 2001 : 11:40PM
I don't know exactly HOW this works, I just know that it works .
Of course, being a code-free player, it's no stretch to imagine that the disk spins at a different rate when set to R2. That's roughly what multi-system VHS players do.
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Posted - Jun 25 2001 : 12:14AM
Well, enough of me "guessing". Let's see what JIM TAYLOR has to say...
So where is the part that says that PAL DVD's can be played on NTSC systems using component video? This appears to specifically say the opposite thing.
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Posted - Jun 25 2001 : 8:43PM
Gotcha! Gee, I don't know.
What I DO know is that I have a chipped Pioneer DV-333 (that plays all areas and basically tells RCE to sod off), it's hooked to a Sony Trinitron 29' thru the Component Video, and plays PAL DVD's perfectly.
How it works? Don't know. I works? Tried, and it did.
Planet Sex, Are you certain that your DVD player was an NTSC machine before it was modified? Based on the information in Jim Taylor's FAQ, it seems that it would make more sense to modify a PAL player that can also play NTSC discs (by desigh) rather than modify an NTSC player that doesn't appear be able to play PAL discs as built by the manufacturer.
Are all of the Region 4 countries NTSC countries? I don't know about Mexico, Central America and South America, but I would think that Australia and New Zealand use PAL (but that is just a guess). I would think that if a region covered countries using each of the systems, it would make sense to make the PAL/NTSC machines for that region.
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Posted - Jun 25 2001 : 10:49PM
A 100% sure.Brazilian's TV broadcasts are made in Pal-M (a modified version of Pal-G), but ALL the videos and DVDs are in NTSC.
But, as far as I know, Australia is R-4 and uses Pal-G.
Thing is, my player is a Pioneer DV-333 bought in the US of A, chipped here, plays all regions and the output is NTSC.
Planet Sex wroteIs it possible that you are confusing the two component formats, RGB and Y'PbPr ("YUV")? RGB is carried practically always with either four(RGBS) or five (RGBHV) wires, and Y'PbPr uses just three. Only in RGB format colours are send "as is", thus no PAL or NTSC is needed.
Do you have any link to respected document that would claim otherwise?
Altering the way colours are send to display device doesn´t do a thing to scan rates. PAL discs are still 625/50 and NTSC is 525/60
The main advantage of sending just plain colours, instead something encoded to PAL or NTSC, is that you don´t need a true multi-system television. All required is that the television can sync to signals with either 50Hz or 60Hz field rate.
Though I´ve never heard of a TV on american market that would have RGB jacks and would sync to 50Hz, but wouldn´t do PAL.
This will hold true with PS players as well, but PAL progressive scan devices are practically non-existent. Instead some manufacturers are releasing players that will do 525/60P even from PAL discs. Here´s specs for Denon dvd-2800.
If the format conversion is adequate, not like it´s usually been with converting players (problems with picture shape and lip-sync) this should generate interest among American shoppers. A power-buy perhaps? The Denon utilizes the Sil503/Dvdo103 chip for de-interlacing, here´s a review with some similar products.
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Posted - Jun 26 2001 : 2:23PM
Nope. All I know is from practice. But now that I think of it, the fact the Brazilian TVs operate in NTSC and Pal-M (not Pal-G, but a modified Pal-G) may have something to do with that.
We only use the Pal-M to watch TV, cause all the programs are broadcast in this system, but all the home-theater based stuff is NTSC.