Actually, she said, "and it’s not something I can exactly help"........so it would happen anyway, given all of the anal that she does. It seems more that she doesn't hide the fact that it's happening for the sake of the fans (i.e. "embraces" the "situation") rather than actually doing it FOR the fans. There's a big difference there. (Back when she used to prolapse while "squirting" in her earlier scenes, she would try to cover and hide it by pushing it back in with her hand...)
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Posted - Jul 4 2015 : 10:04AM
Actually it is a justification. Besides, it's part of our porn heritage Edited by - Rosco Fuji on 7/4/2015 10:07:39 AM
Roxy Raye IS the reigning queen of the anal fetish. God save The Queen!!!2bollocks you are the king of failed arguments and logical fallacies. I see that you've chosen to ignore Bonnie saying that "...it's not something I can exactly help..."? She's not forcing her butt to turn inside out and it's not like she can keep it sucked in during anal play. You can make all of the hasty generalizations you want however Bonnie's dislike of her anal situation is just one girl's point of view. She may not enjoy it when her butt pops out but on the other hand I've seen Amy Brooke have orgasms and profusely squirt female ejaculate all over the place when her partner would apply oral stimulation to her rosebud. I also don't think that it's fair to Bonnie that you are misrepresenting her actual words while taking them out of context.No what she actually said was "it does worry me a little bit. That kind of cycle is not exactly regular anymore because I fuck so much in the ass, and I clean so much and I do so much. It is hard, it definitely it is." To put it in the proper context she was talking about how challenging it is being a "specialist in anal action" in regards to the anal preparation & routine maintenance that such a title requires. Also if there is a troll in this thread I suspect it's the guy who has taken to child like accusations, unfounded moral judgements of anal fetishists and who has continuously begged us to disprove his highly pessimistic prediction of Bonnie's (& girls such as her) medical future rather than providing us with some logical facts to defend his own argument. Well here is one fact: nobody knows what the future will bring. With that being the case we should give girls such as Roxy, Bonnie and Amy the benefit of doubt and trust that they are better suited to make their own damn choices involving their own bodies. "It takes courage to enjoy it: the hardcore and gentle...Big Time Sensuality!"
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Posted - Jul 4 2015 : 11:37AM
It's also worth mentioning that the OP's logic is way, waaaaay off base. The problem here is geralt doesn't seem to understand the cause/effect relationship between all of these things. He paint prolapsing as the cause of incontinence, and that's not really how it works. Prolapsing is an effect, just like incontinence is. You know what can cause prolapsing and incontinence? Why yes! It is cramming lots of cocks, dildos and fists in pussies and assholes. Geralt wants to make a huge deal about our social responsibility to the performers, yet he seems happy enough to watch people getting huge dildos and fists crammed in their nether regions (what has likely given most of these performers the ability to prolapse in the first place) but finds it objectionable to watch the result. If geralt wants to make a socially responsible stand (as is his right) it would make more sense to boycott any/all "large penetration" movies. What's he's doing now is more analogous to being a vegetarian and telling everyone how objectionable it is to eat beef because it leads to needlessly slaughtering animals... while he's dressed in leather shoes and a leather jacket.
I completely agree with the OP. It is deeply immoral to cause such a tremendous risk for another person's health in order to make a little more money. To put it mildly, I have absolutely no sympathy for directors like Jay Sin or Mike Adriano, who encourage their female performers to do prolapse scenes by offering them a larger paycheck. And the same goes for the small but vocal minority of porn consumers who demand this gross shit. The responsible part of the porn industry should ban prolapse scenes and all who encourage them or perform them.
Agreed, it's like saying eg. that a person can not say that drugs like heroin unless they are a licensed psychiatrist who is an expert att addiction disease.
Yeah ofcourse there's risk of STDs but for that it strict tests, and if a performer gets an std it's un-inteded or accidental. Prolapses on the other hand is intended, and require that the girls damage their their bodies eg. the mysentry (the tissue that holds the rectal part of the colon in it's place) and for the girls that still have a normal rectal function pumps are used for prolapsing which will also cause damage and progress to rectal prolapse.
^Well geralt, we agree and I think you did a good thing making this thread to bring attention to this imo disgraceful aspect of porn, but to no avail. The selfish prolapse regime here will not have it in any way even though we've just read the interview of Bonnie making it clear that this is done for the fans and there are problems that we've pointed out earlier. That's the problem of severe sexual fetishism in certain porn groups, they will defend it in near military fashion no matter how wrong they are. They will steep to the lowest tactics there are like attempting character assassination on those who disagree or they twist and change words to suit their agenda. Edited by - 2bollocks on 7/4/2015 4:10:00 PM
All forms of sex outside of one on one vaginal missionary position, outside the constructs of marriage and child bearing should be banned. We also need to outlaw porn all together as we save adult entertainers from themselves while radically reducing the rate of both vaginal and rectal prolapses in our lifetime. Who's with me!?
"It takes courage to enjoy it: the hardcore and gentle...Big Time Sensuality!"
I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV 911 Posts 4/06
Posted - Jul 4 2015 : 5:05PM
Again you are confusing cause/effect and problem/symptom. Prolapsing isn't necessarily intended. See the Bonnie Rotten quote previously in this thread. It is a result of other sex acts she's done (one's that you claim are "hot") and the prolapsing is almost certainly a result of that. And you are once again falsely misrepresenting the cause/effect relationship. Using a suction pump can cause damage, that doesn't mean it will cause damage. Your assertion to the contrary is categorically false. As far as performers taking risks, unless one or both performers has been sterilized, there is a risk of pregnancy (that of course will vary depending on if condoms are used, if the female is using any other forms of birth control, and if the scene is a "creampie" scene or not) associated with every M/F vaginal scene shot. You know what else can cause internal tissue damage and lead to possible prolapse? PREGNANCY! And as noted above, someone else made a great analogy to sports. With the documented effects of concussions and the countless former players who are pretty much debilitated in their 50's by your logic, no one should be allowed to play football on TV. If you think otherwise, I'd love hear your rationalization for it especially considering the documented cases with football players. Where are your documented cases of pornstars with medical issues? I said it before, and I'll say it again. Your stance has no basis in any sound logic. It is simply a rationalization to allow you to watch what you like with a clear conscience while also allowing you to condemn that which you don't like. Performer safety is just a tool for your rationalization. If it was a real concern for you (and not just a tool when it is convenient for you) you'd have an entirely different outlook on porn. Happy Independence Day. We hold these truths to be sacred & undeniable; that all men are created equal & independent, that from that equal creation they derive rights inherent & inalienable, among which are the preservation of life, & liberty, & the pursuit of happiness.
I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV 911 Posts 4/06
Posted - Jul 4 2015 : 5:13PM
You do realize that you are guilty of literally every single thing that you've just accused others of, right? But please... tell me more about how other people will defend their severe sexual fetishism with military fashion while you defend your ass licking fetish in thread after thread after thread. (It's all about clean assholes, right?) Tell me more about how selfish other people are for suggesting that performers have the right to perform whatever sex acts they want within the limits of the law, while you're doing everything you can to limit other's rights because you find something (that is easily avoided) to be objectionable. Tell me more about other people committing character assassinations while you boldly lie about me time after time. Tell me more about other people twisting words when you've attempted (and failed) to do that to me multiple times in this thread. Happy Independence Day. We hold these truths to be sacred & undeniable; that all men are created equal & independent, that from that equal creation they derive rights inherent & inalienable, among which are the preservation of life, & liberty, & the pursuit of happiness
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Posted - Jul 5 2015 : 12:02AM
She left because she had a sexual relationship with the HIV positive head of Evil Angel and became pregnant with his child. She's tried to come back but apparently hasn't been able to find work.That's an important point. Bonnie was unintentionally prolapsing even before it became a thing in some of her scenes. I've seen her prolapse while squirting in many scenes in which her "rosebud" was ignored by the camera.
I swear y'all believe ANYTHING and EVERYTHING that comes out of someone's mouth, it's sickening but yet hilarious at the same time. Anal prolapses are lovely to me, but I recognize the bad side to them too. Bonnie says that because she may or may not have an actual issue that she can't help. But the reality of the reality is is that she's highly aware that she's a Celebrity in Mainstream Pornography and loves the money and the attention it brings. So she says shit like that because she doesn't want it to go away by giving away clues as to how she really feels because someone of her stature has to be Politically Correct because the jews in charge STILL just dont get it yet. Bonnie and Sheena probably feel that only a complete square or a rich extremely older guy are going to be the only guys they'll attract when it's all said and done or in the mean time in between time. But they're wrong; unless their mind is stuck in a place where only God can help see her out of which is likely but NOT definite. And reading alot of the comments on ADT I'd probably be depressed and a little jaded too. I'd probably feel the same way they do Edited by - williemack on 7/5/2015 4:10:19 PM
Do performers get paid extra for prolapsing? Or fisting? Or anal fisting? And is a a large amount (like double or triple a normal fuck scene) or a small amount (like 25% more than a normal fuck scene)?
Yeah it's pretty disgusting, and seems very unhealthy. But I get turned off by fisting, and that's slowly going away. Hopefully prolapse will do the same! Of all the fucked up things that is illegal to do in porn, why isn't this also? Edited by - unreliable narrator on 7/6/2015 8:26:38 AM
I think a lot of the anal prolapsing in porn is coming from the girls pushing really hard trying to "squirt". I have noticed it quite a bit on set when the girls try to push the pee out for squirting their ass prolapses. There are plenty of porn girls who do tons of anal that don't prolapse, it is mostly the squirt girls who do.
It's completely beyond me how anyone could feel even remotely okay about something like that going on 'downstairs' (I start to get anxious if I'm straining taking a dump). That said, I support it's right to exist, of performers to do it (like any other sex act, it's their lookout) and of others to enjoy it. It's just, ahem, not for me. Fascinating thread, though.
"My asshole just naturally opens up because that's what I want, I'm so horny for it" 8498 Posts 1/13
Posted - Jul 6 2015 : 7:59PM
Gotta love how anybody that doesn't like something they find disgusting suddenly becomes a medical expert just because they've read a few choice Wikipedia pages. How about all the ones that oppose their opinion that they've conveniently skimmed over and not mentioned? More to the point, they argue "I don't like it it's disgusting, it a serious health risk!" but if they don't watch it, why do they even care what these performers do? I gotta laugh at the whole "Prove to me it's not a serious condition", that's the same argument Creationists use for the existence of God by saying "Prove to me he doesn't exist". Wrong, the onus is on YOU to convince ME with enough consistent unambiguous evidence, while also paying attention to evidence in the contrary, to substantiate your claims being as your the one that's making the challenging view. There's more holes in these "arguments" than a seive.
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Posted - Jul 6 2015 : 8:59PM
Im not a big fane of the prolapse, but is there any evidence its unhealthy? Personally I doubt anal or vaginal gaping is unhealthy, I dot know about prolapsing, although I have seen a max hardcore video where he essentially pushes apart of a girls pussy out using his finger or dick in her asshole-it was great to watch!
"If a patient has been seen by a colon & rectal surgeon familiar with the diagnosis and treatment of rectal prolapse and given a diagnosis of rectal prolapse, they could potentially choose to do nothing about it. Patients choosing to do nothing can likely expect their amount of prolapse to get larger over time and to have the rectum prolapse more easily (may just prolapse with standing). If a patient chooses to delay treatment for a prolonged period of time, they should know that the longer a patient goes without having their prolapse repaired, the greater the chance of having permanent problems with fecal incontinence, as the anal sphincter is repeatedly stretched out and the chance of nerve damage is increased, too." Link
I hope you're ironic :P It's a medical condition. Have you ever had any rectal problems like fissures and hemmoroids? Just that is often very painful let alone the whole rectum prolapsing out of the butthole.
Of course not, but perhaps not as extreme as some scenes, like double/triple fisting, punch fisting, dildos that are like 10-15 inches wide, pumping the prolapse out of the ass etc.
I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV 911 Posts 4/06
Posted - Jul 8 2015 : 2:18PM
^ but let me guess... you want to keep single fisting because you think single fisting is "hot" (or so you boldly proclaimed in your first post) Why bother to specify every type of fisting imaginable except the one you like? (which isn't necessarily any better from a health and safety risk perspective) Why is it okay for your preferences to override a performers potential health and safety risks? What's special about what you like? You and a few other posters in this thread are lambasting others for their preferences. What makes you an exception?
^This whole "health and safety" thing is a slippery slope. If people don't buy into that idea, then they should just take a look at Britain's recent actions and what they banned (squirting, spanking, face-sitting, etc.) (link) The bottom line is that we're talking about consenting adults involved in consensual activities. For me, the arguments end there. There are plenty of jobs that might pose health risks...many of them far more severe than what we're discussing here. People make the decisions that they make and choose the line of work that they choose. Perhaps that sounds callous, but it's reality...and I'm fine with people getting to make their own choices.
^ Well said.Well what if I say that hard core anal sex, d.p. and d.a.p. scenes are too extreme as they can lead to prolapsing? What if your local politician says that even soft-core porn must be illegal because it leads to hard-core? In reality I have no issues with any of these but you do see where this is going. Adult entertainers have the same access to information that you and I have. You have to trust them to make decisions for themselves if you want to protect your own individual freedom.
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I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV 911 Posts 4/06
Posted - Jul 8 2015 : 7:44PM
A few quotes from geralt (linked to original thread so you can see full context)Those quotes seem rather incongruous when contrasted with views expressed in this thread. You seem willing enough in other discussions (recent ones at that) to dismiss extreme behavior that can damage the human body and lead to among other things prolapsing as the performer's choice. Why the sudden change of heart?
A huge percentage of our population willingly smoke which guarantees an average of at least 10 years lower lifespan and a huge increase in cancer risk. People do stuff every day that endangers their life both short term and long term. These porn ladies who prolapse know exactly what they are getting into and if they want to do it, so be it. A lot of them smoke, but you lecture them on a prolapse? Hate to say it but cigs are are far more severe issue than an anal prolapse (which does have long term effects, but much different than a pack a day smoking habit). As a porn consumer, you have no lectures or threads telling them to stop fucking on camera with the long term effects of repeated STI's, or the risk of HIV. But, prolapsing is where you draw your battle field? For all of you guys upset about the health effects of prolapsing, how can you watch your NFL games when you know some of your favorite players will have dementia or serious brain issues in 20 years? We call can do what we want to our bodies, let em prolapse all they want. I think we all wake up when we are in our 40s or 50s and regret some of the things we put our bodies through when we are young. It's part of the human existence and part of being free to live with our choices, good or bad. I would be very interested to have an interview with hotkinkyjo when she is about 45 years old. She may have some different views on what she is doing to her asshole , colon, and intestines during her 20s :) Edited by - Canadian_Cindy on 7/9/2015 2:48:06 AM
^ I don't think it's fair to compare anal gaping and prolapse to smoking cigarettes. Because there are plenty of scientific studies that show the harm of smoking. But there aren't yet any such studies to say the same about anal gaping and prolapse. You are comparing apples and oranges here and saying that they are the same, when they aren't. I remember some years back some people were claiming that having anal sex was going to lead to anal incontinence, when people get older. And they were saying this off the top of their head, without any evidence at all. Which was similar to making things up and even lying. Edited by - Dan on 7/9/2015 7:09:17 AM
"My asshole just naturally opens up because that's what I want, I'm so horny for it" 8498 Posts 1/13
Posted - Jul 9 2015 : 7:35AM
^ Exactly, which brings us back to the two most salient points - 1) Performer choice - pornstars are consenting adults who make their own choices about their own bodies and it is up to them to be aware of the risks of what they do. Whether they are aware of them or not is irrelevant, it is their choice to make themselves aware, or if they are already aware, then they are the ones taking the informed risk regardless. Furthermore, if this type of porn repulses you and thus do not watch it, it makes no sense that you should care. After all, you are not putting money in their pockets to keep doing it, because you're not buying it; 2) Evidence - the evidence, like in all cases when talking about personal risk and health matters, can be argued and manipulated to fit one's own agenda. If the evidence was overwhelmingly in favour of serious health risks, some people on here might have a point. But a few select studies does not even qualify as futile. Even if there were no studies to counter it, the sheer lack of convincing evidence - either in it's validity or volume - makes it a pointless debate.
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Posted - Jul 9 2015 : 1:40PM
I am not specifically comparing one to the other, comon now. My point is, people do bad things to their bodies all the time that are likely far worse than anal prolapsing, so all this outrage at the girls doing it is foolishness. Let them do what they want to their bodies. They will face the consequences and decide if it was worth it... some will say yah, some will say no. The same as any other risky vices or sports we have.
I understand your POV :P What I intended to say with this thread is that I don't like the fact that physical damage to the female performers bodies has become fetishized and some sort of entertainment. I like porn, but I do have ethical standpoints of what I personally feel is right or wrong etc. I like rough scenes but abusive ones I don't like all the choking, face slapping, girls looking like they are in extreme pain it's abusive just as I don't like physical damage to the models.
I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV 911 Posts 4/06
Posted - Jul 9 2015 : 3:49PM
^^As far as studies go, I'm not aware of anything that indicates that prolapsing has any adverse consequences. Prolapsing (among other things) is the adverse consequence. The cause of that is internal tissue trauma, and that can happen from any number of things. But the same line of thinking that keeps leading people to suggest that prolapsing (a possible consequence of tissue trauma) will lead to incontinence (another possible consequence of tissue trauma) would suggest that a runny nose (a possible consequence of influenza infection) will lead to death (another possible consequence of influenza infection) But that's what happens when you combine a poor understanding of the topic with poor logic. While there isn't much info out there in terms of linking extreme sex acts (fisting, etc) to tissue trauma and its associated side affects, there is plenty that links it with child birth. I'm curious how all of the OSHA pundits on here feel about Ms. Rotten's choice to get pregnant. Edited by - murdock on 7/9/2015 4:20:55 PM
I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV 911 Posts 4/06
Posted - Jul 9 2015 : 4:20PM
But how can you condemn the consequences but support the cause? I get that you don't like the idea of fetishisizing a prolapse because it is an indication of some physical trauma to the performer, but at the same time you seem to be perfectly okay with what appears to be the cause of that trauma, as long as it suits your arbitrary "she seems like she's enjoying it" criteria. Do you understand why it looks very much like you're just trying to rationalize what you do like, and condemn what you don't? If someone started a "black eye" pron site where all of the women have a shiner or two, it would be understandable if you found that objectionable because it promoted violence towards women. But if you were also talking about how much you love to watch women get punched in the face, it would make your objections to the black eye porn seem a tad disingenuous. Even if your line in the morality sand wasn't completely out of whack, it is still a bad idea. I have my own idea of what I think is right and wrong too. So do most people. But there certainly isn't a consensus. I could raise moral objections to every single thing you like about porn, and every single thing about porn, period. Fortunately for you, I don't care what you like or don't like (outsied the context of this conversation) and I'm happy enough to draw the line at "consenting adults" because that let's everyone watch what they want within the confines of protecting one's right to the pursuit of happiness without infringing on anyone else's. Does that mean there are going to be things out there that I find morally reprehensible? Yes. But that's the price we pay to get the freedoms we want.
There are different aspects of it, the risk of injury increases with how extreme it becomes. Lots of people have anal sex in their normal relationships without long term damage. Just the act of pushing and straining makes all sorts of rectal issues worse, nevertheless girls pushing out 6-8 inche wide balls out of their assholes and then straining to push out the prolapse is on a whole nother level of risk. Some girls really goes to the extremes like hotkinkyjo, taking 3 fists at the same time, taking 1-2 fists elbow deep that's kinda like asking for problems. Another dangerous route could be that prolapsing becomes some sort of norm to become a true anal queen, if prolapsing means getting more work and popularity some female performers probably will go to extremes to self inflict prolapsing just to be able to "stay on top" I guess that the conclusion of this discussion is that we have a very different view on things... Have you read this http://www.vice.com/read/a-rosebud-by-any-other-name-would-smell-like-shit "Perhaps the only recourse for the next wave of rosebud stars is to take the advice of the more experienced. Sheena Shaw remembers how Amy Brooke, a legendary anal veteran, would tell younger performers what they were in for. “OK, girls, keep it up and you’re going to be a spokesperson for adult diapers!”" "
I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV 911 Posts 4/06
Posted - Jul 10 2015 : 1:51PM
I'll bold it for you this time since you evidently missed it when you wrote it and when I quoted it previously...You mentioned liking fisting scenes in the first post of this thread...What separates the extreme acts that you like from the extreme acts that other people like other than you don't seem to like them? How do you know that one is causing harm and the other isn't? (spoiler: you don't) Your hypocrisy on this issue is simply stunning.
Exactly right. I like it. I get that some of you don't, but tough shit. I'm sure some of what you like, I dislike. The point is that no one is forced to do it, the girls are paid extra for it, and they get additional fame for it. If some folks like to see it (and I do), just who are you to say it must stop because (a) you don't like it and/or (b) the girls are too stupid to make their own decisions about it? Keep the nasty, hot prolapses coming!
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Posted - Jul 11 2015 : 6:27PM
I love watching DAP and DV and I'm sure they are safe!
So, uh, this thread seems to have become a treatise on rectal health and the ethics surrounding turning your butthole inside out on film, but can I just share a personal experience for shits n giggles? (Uh, wait, no shits. Can I take that back or is it too late?) Man, I don't know how I stumbled across it. Oh wait, I do. I was looking for scenes in which Proxy Paige takes it in the butt. I like watching that pretty girl take it in the butt. However, I came across this scene in which she's got some older blonde dominatrix type woman bent over a chair or something, and Proxy is eating her ass, and this chick pushes her prolapse out and it looks like this giant slimy pomegranate, and Proxy keeps right on eating away! And all this nasty discolored butt drool and like some red marbles or something are coming out... Yeesh! Had to hit the stop button because I couldn't take anymore. I've seen some things and some stuff, maaaaan... seen things that make 2 girls 1 cup look pretty innocent. But this was... man, this I couldn't handle. One of those things that cannot be unseen. I will never, ever knock your fetish as long as it involves consenting human adults, but hot damn... this one is hard for me to understand.
Call someone to talk to tonite, and leave the lights on. Scary, but you have to be strong. Eat some cookies and milk in the morning. You will feel better.
That's great advice. Should calm me right down. The cookies aren't gonna come tumbling out of that chick's prolapsed butt, are they? Because that would defeat the purpose.
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Posted - Jul 14 2015 : 12:00AM
No it wouldn't. They would probably taste like cherry dipped chocolate chip cookies or strawberry shortcake milk dipped chocolate chip cookies. Don't act like you wouldn't eat them
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