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| hollywood woody Senior Member  Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin 1567 Posts 2/07 |  Posted - Nov 26 2008 : 1:02PMWe just recieved 11 nominations and I can tell you we haven't advertised or paid anyone. Cezar Capone would like to thank all the ADT people for your support. 1) Best New Video Production Company for Cezar Capone 2) Best Gonzo Release for Morgan Daynes Deviant 3) Best Tease Performance: Morgan Dayne for Morgan Daynes Deviant 4) Best Amateur Release for True Homemade Amateur 5) Best Pro-am Serise for Filthys First Taste 6) Best MILF Serise for Milf School 7) Best High Definition Production for High Definition 8) Best High End All Sex Release for High Definition 9) Best Gonzo Serise for Filthys Monster Cocks 10) Best Ethnic Serise for Filthys Sinoritas 11) Best Ethnic Theamed Release for Filthys Sinoritas  [Link] |
| Jet_24 Member Keepin it mainstream! 27 Posts 11/08 | Posted - Nov 26 2008 : 1:11PM [Link] |
| hollywood woody Senior Member Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin 1567 Posts 2/07 | Posted - Nov 26 2008 : 1:24PM The noms go to advertisers and only to them. This is proof that this is not the case. We recieved 11 noms and haven't advertised at all. We are a new company putting out the best product possible, we just don't have the extra money to advertise. But after the first of the year, we plan to budget for that. I am extremely happy to say that everything we have made so far, has sold out and has been in for 2nd replication. Bangin Average Joe was something we did because of the people on ADT asking for it, it sold really well. Viva La Bus and Miamis Juciest, Dirty Sanchez productions sold out in 2 weeks. It is an honor to be recognized for hard work. [Link] |
| skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02 | Posted - Nov 26 2008 : 2:52PM Also, advertising in AVN won't do anything to help your sales. Spend more money on ADT! Edited by - skronker on 11/26/2008 2:53:26 PM [Link] |
| DanaDeArmond Porn Unicorn TheInternetsGirlfriend.com 2786 Posts 1/06 | Posted - Nov 26 2008 : 3:27PM ;) [Link] |
| nateglass Member I must break you 201 Posts 12/05 | Posted - Nov 26 2008 : 4:13PM [Link] |
| Lokida13 Member 28 Posts 10/08 | Posted - Nov 26 2008 : 4:50PM Do they turn out good hardcore content, or is just pampered down "we have an uber contract girl" type deal?? [Link] |
| skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02 | Posted - Nov 26 2008 : 5:47PM Vivid-Alt is kinda fun. [Link] |
| skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02 | Posted - Nov 26 2008 : 5:48PM [Link] |
| MikeSouth Deactivated User 511 Posts 11/02 | Posted - Nov 26 2008 : 6:23PM I have some reviews going up Cezars work is top notch...those are earned awards not given.... [Link] |
| Knuckle Kids Deactivated User 287 Posts 4/08 | Posted - Nov 27 2008 : 12:27AM [Link] |
| Narcissus Deactivated User Love Thyself 418 Posts 1/08 | Posted - Nov 27 2008 : 10:55AM Lexi Belle nominated for Best New Starlet this year... 20+ DVD releases in 2006.... yea yea... i am sure there will be those of you that say it's up to AVNs discretion and whatnot and there's no set deadline dates or whatever. blah blah blah. but this is just insulting our intelligence and complete bullshit. Lexi has been in the adult biz since 2005! (making her eligible for the nom in this category for 2007 and 2008. alot of the other girls in this category aren't exacly new either, but this nomination stands out the most as proving once again that Best New Starlet category is a complete sham. didn't they think she was a good enough performer to be put in a more suitable category, like Best Actress or Female Performer of the Year. fucksakes, does it take something this obvious to show that the awards are just a complete subjective jackoff? the AVN Award Show continues to lose credibility. 
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| skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02 | Posted - Nov 27 2008 : 12:17PM The truth is that it's really like a kindergarten contest where everyone has to get a prize because all the parents think they're little tiger is the most special little tiger in the whole wide world, and if the kindergarten upsets some kid because they don't give 'em a toy, the parents will yank the tyke out of there ... and they'll go out of business. [Link] |
Flash  Golden Age Classic 11017 Posts 5/01 | Posted - Nov 27 2008 : 2:26PM [Link] |
| hollywood woody Senior Member Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin 1567 Posts 2/07 | Posted - Dec 8 2008 : 6:50PM Pulse distributes Vivid. Hirsch does not own Pulse. I have absoluty nothing to do with Vivid. Nothing! I am in no way affliated with Vivid or any other company that Pulse distributes. I must say Nate, you are a good guy, but you talk like you have inside information that is completely right, yet it is completely wrong. I think the word is pontificate. No offense meant, yet you are the one who says these awards are fixed, and I am here to tell you that is not the case. Edited by - hollywood woody on 12/8/2008 7:03:01 PM [Link] |
| hollywood woody Senior Member Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin 1567 Posts 2/07 | Posted - Dec 8 2008 : 6:54PM We may not win anything but we were recognized for at least making a quality product and for our hard work. Plenty of people win who sure don't deserve to win, that goes for all awards shows. I would love to spend more money on ADT, which I will in 2009, so buy some of our movies so we can! [Link] |
| hollywood woody Senior Member Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin 1567 Posts 2/07 | Posted - Dec 8 2008 : 6:55PM [Link] |
| hollywood woody Senior Member Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin 1567 Posts 2/07 | Posted - Dec 8 2008 : 6:56PM [Link] |
| hollywood woody Senior Member Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin 1567 Posts 2/07 | Posted - Dec 8 2008 : 6:57PM [Link] |
| nateglass Member I must break you 201 Posts 12/05 | Posted - Dec 8 2008 : 7:18PM [Link] |
| hollywood woody Senior Member Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin 1567 Posts 2/07 | Posted - Dec 8 2008 : 7:37PM Hirsch has nothing to do with Pulse except his product, like mine, is distributed here, along with 50 other companies. He doesn't own even 1% of this company. [Link] |
| skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02 | Posted - Dec 8 2008 : 9:02PM [Link] |
| Chester Kingwood Member Anal Ring Toss Creator 88 Posts 2/07 | Posted - Dec 8 2008 : 10:05PM because it's been proven year after year that they are fixed and the companies that spend the most money wins. You pay 10K to 20K for a booth and then you pay an extra 5K for a dinner table just to get your award. Chester Kingwood, Clover Entertainment [Link] |
| nateglass Member I must break you 201 Posts 12/05 | Posted - Dec 8 2008 : 10:15PM When you go to a site that has all the Reality Kings or Cezar Capone episodes available for free download and then you look over and see a Fling.com ad, how does that make you feel? Why don't you ask the higher-ups at Reality Kings/Bang/NastyDollars to stop supporting piracy via Fling.com. Or does RK/Bang make more money via Fling.com than they do via DVDs? I know a lot of retailers that would like to know why Reality Kings financially supports piracy sites while expecting brick and mortars to stock their DVDs. While you're at it...next time you meet with Pulse will you ask Kohls and Hamilton why they distribute Penthouse DVDs since Penthouse is just about the #1 supporter of piracy via AdultFriendFinder? Oh and while you're putting over how "legit" AVN is...why don't you mosey over to AVNAds.com and see all the piracy sites that AVN is supporting. Money Talks is right...Money Talks...integrity walks. And yes Crucifixo Jones...I know I sound like a broken record. [Link] |
| killbillvol69 All-Star Member ^Lucy Pinder 18631 Posts 4/08 | Posted - Dec 8 2008 : 11:29PM It's starting to feel like you're a poster with a single, repetitive agenda, also referred to as a "troll". Perhaps you're familiar with the term. It's not the topic that's the problem. You bring up good points. It's bringing it up in any and every discussion that you're a part of, that's going to get you in trouble. [Link] |
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| nateglass Member I must break you 201 Posts 12/05 | Posted - Dec 9 2008 : 9:45AM I have brought it up in a total of 4 threads. This thread, which deals with AVN's legitimacy, thus I think pointing it out was a valid point. Which you mentioned and I appreciate. The other thread where Mike South was ripping AVN's nominations and Eli Cross was once again defending how legit AVN is. Again, I think it's valid to bring it up in that discussion. And a thread about porn being format driven, where Mike Quasar turned the thread to a discussion of piracy, in which I felt it was relevant to mention that AVN is supporting piracy. The other thread was a discussion of Brazzers, where I pointed out that Brazzers is a huge supporter of piracy. I feel where you are coming from. But, it sounds like to me, you're saying "don't blow the whistle more than once" [Link] |
| Crucifixio_Jones Senior Member Arrogant & Obnoxious Narcissist 4727 Posts 10/03 | Posted - Dec 9 2008 : 10:29AM Like I said before, if you feel so adamant about either supporting piracy, start a thread and confine your crusade to that. It's getting to the point where no one can mention either without your attempting to turn the topic towards their alleged support of piracy. I also had no idea that Lexi Belle being nominated for Best New Starlet somehow proves that the AVN Awards are fixed. I read some absolutely ridiculous things here nearly every day, multiple times a day but that one might be the winner this week and it's only Tuesday. I mean, maybe if she won, but I don't think she even has a legitimate shot. Her nomination is a throwaway honor AT BEST yet it somehow proves that the whole show is rigged? I can see why people at the mag don't bother to respond to such allegations...  Edited by - Crucifixio_Jones on 12/9/2008 10:31:59 AM[Link] |
| killbillvol69 All-Star Member ^Lucy Pinder 18631 Posts 4/08 | Posted - Dec 9 2008 : 10:52AM The connection in a couple of those threads to your topic was thin at best. Especially in this thread, you really made a huge jump from "Steve Hirsh is a part-owner of Pulse" to "AVN supports piracy via AVNads". [edit: i did a fuckin' shitty job of cutting and pasting sentences together. fixed.] Edited by - killbillvol69 on 12/9/2008 10:53:37 AM [Link] |
| Jacco All-Star Member "liable to deprave and corrupt" 2673 Posts 5/04 | Posted - Dec 9 2008 : 2:49PM [conspiracy mode] If I was fixing an awards show, I would make sure that not all awards were fixed and also give a few unimportant ones to my enemies and critics. [/conspiracy mode]  Jacco [Link] |
| Eli Cross Member What's the fun of getting old if you can't be dirty? 141 Posts 4/06 | Posted - Dec 9 2008 : 3:15PM I'm confused about something, and maybe you can answer me. The subject of Best New Starlet being "fixed" has been coming up since I ran the mag, but I've never exactly understood who was supposed to be doing the "fixing." Going back 20 years, four girls were contract stars when they were nominated, and one of those was out of her contract by the time she won. Since it's all supposed to be about ads and money, who precisely is putting in the fix? I know Skeeter likes to claim he sent Bridgette in to blow or fuck all the editors before she won in 2000, but if that's the case, she missed my office and the ones in my row. I kept waiting for someone to offer up that kind of "bribe," and it never fucking happened once, so I don't know what I was doing wrong. I digress; since the large majority of Starlet winners aren't affiliated with any one company or advertiser, and since the large majority of voters are anonymous and out-of-state reviewers (i.e. difficult to "bribe"), who, in your mind, is rigging the contest? I'm not being facetious, I've always been curious about this because it never made sense to me. Oh, and just to point out how things can pass you by in the industry (and believe me, it's worse being at AVN, as I've explained in other threads), I've never heard of Lexi Belle until this year's "AVN is rigged" stuff started, so it's entirely possible she slipped under their radar until this year. It's nothing agains Lexi, I'm just pointing out that people can go unnoticed for quite a while. [Link] |
| Eli Cross Member What's the fun of getting old if you can't be dirty? 141 Posts 4/06 | Posted - Dec 9 2008 : 3:20PM If you want to sit down and have a long lunch some day, I'll address every argument you want to throw at me regarding these awards, but you can't really, honestly believe it's this simple? Go back and see how many awards Adam & Eve, Metro, Sin City and Hustler won last year and then tell me everyone gets their prize. [Link] |
| Janitor Retired Porno movies, sexy videos, xxx. Adult DVD Talk at your service. 6409 Posts 11/99 | Posted - Dec 9 2008 : 3:28PM The logic of things passing them by would mean the awards aren't fixed simply according to ad dollars, but also by who makes themselves known to AVN (often done with ad dollars, booth presence at their show$$, etc.) Objective awards are not possible. But an open process with clear cut rules goes a long way towards legitimacy. [Link] |
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| Eli Cross Member What's the fun of getting old if you can't be dirty? 141 Posts 4/06 | Posted - Dec 9 2008 : 3:41PM Would it surprise you to learn that there are people who get really passionate about Best Tease? Who argue about it and fight afterwards about who should have won what? There are and they do. I personally never voted in the category because I don't care, but I quickly realized my opinion wasn't everyone's opinion. Now let's talk about things like High-Def production and High-End All-Sex release. As someone who's nominated in both categories, I can tell you, I Care. I'm still pissed we didn't get HD Production for Upload. And that kind of seques into the discussion about Amateur release, MILF series, etc. I recognize that there's a lot of complaint about how many categories there are, and believe me, I fought that fight when I ran the magazine. I argued every year to strip categories I thought were pointless -- mostly sex scene awards -- and got quite a lot removed. But for a lot of categories, I get it. Believe it or not, some people work really hard on DVD Extras. That wasn't an also-ran award for us on Upload; we'd put a fuck of a lot of work into those two full discs of extras, and we wanted that award. And we got it. The only award in the industry to recognize that effort. And that's really the point of all those categories. You can't compare apples and Oldsmobiles. Where else are people who specialize in interracial or MILF titles or foot fetish or amateur going to get any recognition for excellent work? XBiz? F.A.M.E.? XRCO? Those end up being the same six movies competing for eveything because their is no depth to their categories. Does AVN go overboard with it? Yes. I like the comment someone made in another thread about the nominees for Best All-Girl Threeway on a Red Couch being better than the nominees for Best All-Girl Threeway on a Green Couch. They get overzealous, and no denying it. But without all those categories, where ya gonna put MILF School? See, Cezar cares, even if you don't. And again, these awards aren't for the fans. They're for the industry. And congrats on the noms, Cezar. [Link] |
| Eli Cross Member What's the fun of getting old if you can't be dirty? 141 Posts 4/06 | Posted - Dec 9 2008 : 4:03PM Editor A: "What about Lexi Belle?" Editor B: "Who's that?" Editor A: "Cute little brunette. All-natural." Editor C: "Does a lot of teen stuff." [Editor B checks the database] Editor B: "We've got her listed in 22 titles." Editor C: "Let's vote on it." At that point, a vote is held and the majority decides to hold her over for next year and see. She goes on the '08 pre-nom list, and the arguments continue with Editor A, Lexi's biggest fan in the room, pouting. Now, it's not over. If Editor A feels strongly about Lexi, he can fight for her nomination again when the list is finalized, and if he feels passionate, probably get her in (anytime you see something with more than 15 nominations, that's what happened; a lot of passionate fighting). He doesn't fight, so she gets held over and goes in the category this year. You could argue that she's been around too long now, but is that fair to her? You could also argue that the editors who didn't know her should go look at her movies, but that kind of defeats the purpose. If the majority haven't heard of her -- entirely plausible in this scenario -- she hasn't yet made much of a splash, and doesn't deserve the nomination yet. Following your hard-and-fast rules system, she never gets nominated. So what would you do? It's really no more sinister than that. I know it's a lot more fun to believe it's a conspiracy or massive ineptitude, but really it's just the pedestrian bureacracy of a slow-moving, once-a-year award meeting the internet age. [Link] |
| Eli Cross Member What's the fun of getting old if you can't be dirty? 141 Posts 4/06 | Posted - Dec 9 2008 : 4:12PM I've heard this same rumor about Vivid owning Pulse, but even if it were true, if you think Steve Hirsch would lift a finger to help someone else's company win an award -- I don't care if they were distributed straight-out by Vivid itself -- then You Do Not Know Steve. To even make this argument is hysterical. It's akin to saying, "Tom Byron releases on DVD. Vivid releases on DVD. Philips owns the DVD patent. That means a nom for Tom Byron is really a nom for Vivid!" Seriously, Pulse releases a lot of product. If a rising tide raises all boats, and they're only getting noms to appease Vivid (who, I might point out, got very few awards last year), shouldn't ALL the Pulse-distributed companies be getting a crapload of noms? [Link] |
| hollywood woody Senior Member Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin 1567 Posts 2/07 | Posted - Dec 9 2008 : 5:20PM If you could get me a booth for $20k color me in. Our booths and total expense ran upwards of $200k, which kinda proves you are not really correct with your accusations. Vivid has paid 10 times what you are talking about with 5 tables and one year won 3 awards. I have been doing this for 24 years and i have to tell you, what you say is just not correct. Period. [Link] |
| skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02 | Posted - Dec 9 2008 : 5:24PM I would say the same thing about the Grammys endless subdivisions of genres ... [Link] |
| hollywood woody Senior Member Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin 1567 Posts 2/07 | Posted - Dec 9 2008 : 5:25PM [Link] |
| Narcissus Deactivated User Love Thyself 418 Posts 1/08 | Posted - Dec 9 2008 : 5:42PM and if a girl like Lexi gets passed over in her first 2 years for the Best New Starlet nom... then it's time to find another category to put her in rather than just toss her in a category supposedly geared towards awarding actual new girls who have done a great job and made a splash in their very first year in the industry. let's talk about how fair it is to these real newbies to compete with a seasoned vet like Lexi. hell, with 3+ years of practice, of course her scenes are gonna be more polished and a more skilled performance. nothing against Lexi... but carelessness put her in that category instead of one a bit more suitable this year. (not a fix or a conspiracy) Edited by - narcissus on 12/9/2008 5:43:54 PM [Link] |
| Redish Poetic Moderator Long and Cursive road to the Ivory Pagoda in the province of Loraine 4076 Posts 12/03 | Posted - Dec 9 2008 : 6:33PM Edited by - redish on 12/9/2008 6:33:37 PM [Link] |
| Jacco All-Star Member "liable to deprave and corrupt" 2673 Posts 5/04 | Posted - Dec 9 2008 : 7:17PM Confusing isn't it, all those categories?  (actually, I think I made the same joke in one of the previous discussions about this subject, can't we just copy everybody's posts from last year?) Jacco [Link] |
| ChodeMasterJ Perpetual Marxist 5405 Posts 4/03 | Posted - Dec 10 2008 : 12:31AM YMMV.  [Link] |
| hollywood woody Senior Member Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin 1567 Posts 2/07 | Posted - Dec 11 2008 : 7:07PM [Link] |
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