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Kperv
The Cuddler


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1818 Posts
1/04
Posted - Oct 22 2004 : 3:30PM
When images are embedded with the img tag, an extra couple of spaces get appended to the HTML img src='...' tag.
This also happens with avatars.

It doesn't cause any problems with any browser I've tried when viewing the page with the embedded images.

But if I right-click on an image and select View Image in Konqueror, it doesn't strip the trailing spaces.

No other browser has any problems.

I guess I should just use FireFox but Konqueror has some unique features I really like when browsing the ADT forums, so I was wondering if it would be an easy thing to not append the spaces.

Drew Black
broken crankshaft

8009 Posts
9/99
Posted - Oct 25 2004 : 9:36AM
I didn't know it was doing that. I'll fix it.
Kperv
The Cuddler

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1818 Posts
1/04
Posted - Oct 25 2004 : 12:39PM
Thanks, that would be great.

Anyway there's no reason you'd pick up on it happening.
The other browsers strip the trailing spaces and I wouldn't be at all surprised if I was the only regular visitor that used Konqueror.

Do you keep statistics of visiting browsers?
I'm kinda curious how the Explorer, Mozilla/FireFox, Safari, etc. statistics look for ADT.

Drew Black
broken crankshaft

8009 Posts
9/99
Posted - Oct 25 2004 : 11:52PM
We do have statistics, but I rarely look at them.

For yesterday:

Browsers by number of hits
Microsoft Internet Explorer 587,387 72.59% 21,701

2. Mozilla 128,223 15.85% 3,076

3. Safari 29,562 3.65% 572

4. Netscape 27,649 3.42% 759

5. Opera 27,007 3.34% 709

6. Konqueror 3,168 0.39% 47

7. Others 3,065 0.38% 977

8. WebTV 1,095 0.14% 78

9. Avant Browser (http://www.avantbrowser.com) 799 0.10% 121

10. Other Netscape Compatible 566 0.07% 88

And since hits is a useless term here's the top 10 browsers by 3 of visits for the same period.

1. Microsoft Internet Explorer 587,387 21,701 76.74%

2. Mozilla 128,223 3,076 10.88%

3. Others 3,065 977 3.45%

4. Netscape 27,649 759 2.68%

5. Opera 27,007 709 2.51%

6. Safari 29,562 572 2.02%

7. Avant Browser (http://www.avantbrowser.com) 799 121 0.43%

8. Other Netscape Compatible 566 88 0.31%

9. WebTV 1,095 78 0.28%

10. Konqueror 3,168 47 0.17%

oatmeal
Meat Popsicle

Seeking Beauty
1738 Posts
8/04
Posted - Oct 26 2004 : 9:01AM
So you're saying he's the only person that uses Konqueror?

WebTV? I thought that faded away faster than Bobby Brown's career?

 
Drew Black
broken crankshaft

8009 Posts
9/99
Posted - Oct 26 2004 : 10:44AM
I have no idea if he's the only person using Konqueror. I only know that 0.17% of our visits and 0.39% of the hits we receive come from users with this browser. At 0.17% of visits it equates to roughly 50 visits in 24 hours. If kperv visits ADT 50 times a day then he's the only person using the browser on this site.
Kperv
The Cuddler

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1818 Posts
1/04
Posted - Oct 26 2004 : 1:46PM
While I do leave the PC switched on for longer periods and sometimes check in between work, chores, exercise etc., 50 updates of that little "You last visited..." timer are way over the mark.

There must be more of us lurking in the darkened corridors of ADT.
Konqueror users, a force to be reckoned with.
Today 0.17%. Tommorrow, who knows? Perhaps as high as 0.2%.

Don't those stats also mean that if you're an Internet Explorer user, there's a 76.74% chance that you're a porn consumer?
I wonder what browser they use at the Vatican. Is there one called Web Inkvisitor?

Em
Member

198 Posts
4/04
Posted - Oct 26 2004 : 2:50PM
Kperv, what's your opinion on Safari and OmniWeb as a Konqueror user? You share the same rendering engine (up to an update ladder), after all.

----> Get Opera

oatmeal
Meat Popsicle

Seeking Beauty
1738 Posts
8/04
Posted - Oct 26 2004 : 2:53PM
how do these other browsers co-exist with IE?
Em
Member

198 Posts
4/04
Posted - Oct 26 2004 : 2:57PM
I don't know about the Mac, but on the PC none of the so-called alternative browsers integrate with your system. You can have 347537485738475374 copies of Opera, 234623663745 copies of Mozilla, 2343645637456734 copies of Firefox, etc. - installed. No problem.

Separate applications. To uninstall, you simply delete a folder. Done. A good browser app doesn't mess with the registry.

----> get Opera

Kperv
The Cuddler

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1818 Posts
1/04
Posted - Oct 26 2004 : 4:40PM
The KHTML engine? Works great. I'm sure there are sites out there that don't look the way they're supposed to with it, but I honestly can't remember when I last came across one.
I haven't kept up with where the improvements have come from but it wouldn't surprise me if Apple have made some major contributions.

The only problem I've come across in a long time is this trailing spaces thing here on ADT's forums. But that problem isn't in the KHTML engine, that works fine. It's when Konqueror parses the URL in it's right-click menu.
Actually I wonder if the correct behaviour according to the standard is stripping the spaces or leaving them in. Not that it matters much. In these cases it's normally best to follow the crowd.

FireFox is great but for some reason I just prefer Konqueror.
Konq's integration with the rest of KDE is nice. This includes integration with the spell checker. Any spelling mistakes are highlighted automatically as I type this.

KMail is also my favourite mail application. KDE's suite of applications is really coming along nicely.

Konqueror doesn't. It's Unix only.
Mozilla and FireFox work just fine under Windows. They're about as crash prone as the latest IE (not too bad really) but they pose a lot less of a security risk.
Security is really the main problem with IE and Outlook IMHO.
Even when put into full paranoia mode Outlook is still full of rather nasty security holes.
Kperv
The Cuddler

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1818 Posts
1/04
Posted - Oct 27 2004 : 10:50AM
And no, that is not where the K in Kperv came from.
Just an odd coincidence. I don't even think I ran KDE at the time I registered here.
Em
Member

198 Posts
4/04
Posted - Oct 27 2004 : 11:05AM
I follow the developments. I was wondering what you thought of the triade, usability-wise. GUI etc. But if you do not own a Mac, the comparison may be tough... :)
Stripping :)
Firefox user interface is a clone of IE3 ui, designed to lure IE users away from the abomination they use. It's nothing to write home about. Once these users are unsucked from the MS tit, it is likely they will want more than a back button. And that is where other browsers come in.

So, no, I wouldn't say it's great :)

Yes, spell-checking is a nice candy. Unfortunately, the open-source spellcheckers often tend to suck...
Sure, but how do you 'sell' this to people? :/

Em

p.s. and yes, I wondered if your K comes from K, as in Khtml :)

----> get Opera

Kperv
The Cuddler

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1818 Posts
1/04
Posted - Oct 27 2004 : 1:41PM
I haven't been anywhere near a Mac since the mid 80's, so I wouldn't be able to compare them.

When I praise FireFox, I'm thinking about the speed (compared to IE), the tabbed browsing (even if Opera was there first), pop-up blocking (who were first with that?) and the recently added simple RSS bookmarks (which I don't use).

Also it is the poster child of MS alternatives, and telling a Windows user how great Konqueror or Safari are is pretty pointless.

But they are easily integrated.
It might be an idea for MS to move Word's checker into it's own module and enabled IE integration.
I haven't got a clue. I'm still baffled that the abomination MS Word actually beat the great WordPerfect. What were people thinking?
Nah, my first use of K in a computer game related alias predates KDE by more than a decade.

I did think it was kinda cute when I noticed all those KDE based apps coming out with names like K onqueror, K Mail, K Word and K Spread .

But though I've given every new version of KDE a test drive I didn't make the switch until some time after 'thinking' up this awful Kperv name. Ah well, I guess I'm stuck with it.

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