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Midtown
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Posted - Jan 31 2006 : 10:13PM
The forum guidelines state:

ADT supports the porn industry's fight against illegal pirating of adult material. For this reason, discussion of how to make copies of copyrighted materials, the discussion/promotion of suspected copyright violators, or the sharing of adult website passwords, etc. is not allowed here.

How is using legally available software to back up onto your hard drive a DVD that you buy "pirating?" So long as it's for personal consumption, it seems to me that the individual is not doing anything wrong. And, why should such legal conduct be lumped together with obviously illegal conduct such as the sale of ripped material and/or website passwords? Can someone explain this policy (as opposed to merely deleting my message and closing the thread)?

Edited by - Midtown on Feb 1 2006

bobpowers1
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Posted - Jan 31 2006 : 10:16PM
Why don't you just go to a DVD copying forum? They're out there you know. Oh I'm sorry... DVD backup forum.
Midtown
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Posted - Jan 31 2006 : 10:18PM
I was curious as to this site's policy. I posted a message asking what scenes for what girls people had in their hard drives, and the thread was locked. I thought that was strange.
bobpowers1
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Posted - Jan 31 2006 : 10:23PM
I see.

Well, here's my best shot:
When your bottom line is harmed by DVD copying, you tend to be very sensitive about it. While many people would consider actually backing up a DVD to be "fair use", most people who use that technology use it for more than that. It's impossible to differentiate between those who honestly want to "back up" and those who just say that.

And this site relies on information, advertising, and cooperation from the industry. So even if the individuals who ran the forum didn't care about copying, as a site they do.

Hope that helps.

croy
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Posted - Jan 31 2006 : 10:29PM
If all you are doing is legally making an archival back-up, what exactly is there to discuss?
Such a discussion could also be a thinly (and badly) veiled discussion on furthering piracy. Besides the illegality, the badly veiled part would really bother me. Really.
 
Midtown
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Posted - Jan 31 2006 : 10:29PM
Bob Powers,

Thanks. That was a really honest answer. I understand the sensitivity regarding the matter. But, if you apply the policy to prevent people from even mentioning backing up files or what is in their hard drives, then it's like pretending that the elephant which is in the room isn't actually there. It also flies in the face of the free speech stance typically espoused by the porn industry.

Croy,

There is no nefarious motive to my question. Honestly. I'm just concerned about a policy that appears to be overly censoring.

Edited by - Midtown on 1/31/2006 10:30:51 PM

Midtown
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Posted - Jan 31 2006 : 10:41PM
I think I may have answered my own question. I found another forum that discussed encryption, "fair use," and the DMCA. It appears that there is a distinction between encrypted files and unencrypted files. Apparently, it's illegal to rip the former but not the latter. Now, the question is - are most porn flicks encrypted?
DenverDon
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Posted - Jan 31 2006 : 10:42PM
That wasn't quite what you posted.
Bill All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Jan 31 2006 : 10:47PM
The fact remains that the vast majority of people who want to know about how to copy DVD's really aren't dealing in "fair use". They're making copies of rented or borrowed DVD's.

ADT has a strong level of particpation from members of the industry. That's something that we would all like to continue.

Given those two facts, ADT would prefer not to have that discussion of copying DVD's here.

It's not like the same information is not available elsewhere on the Internet. If making fair use copies of DVD's is important to you, finding this information elsewhere shouldn't be all that burdensome.

Redish All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Jan 31 2006 : 10:47PM
My two cents here,

This site is kept active by members, all the stars, and people that work in the industry. If they noticed that there were threads about how to "backup" some of their product, they would tend to stop coming here to talk about their new releases and such since, as croy said, it would start hitting them on the bottom line.

That being said, backups are fair use, but the threads quickly dissolve into how to duplicate copyrighted material. Slippery slope and all. This is against the law. The owners of this site have decided, and rightly so IMHO, that these threads are not welcome here.

Free speech doesn't even enter into it. There are other places to go for that type of information if you so desire, its just not going to be here.

Midtown
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Posted - Jan 31 2006 : 10:54PM
Guys, no need to come on like gang busters. I'm not looking for technical advice on how to rip DVDs. I was simply curious as to the policy. From what I'm reading, it's perfectly legal to copy unencrypted DVDs that a person owns, so long as that copy is for personal consumption. If the industry is concerned about that fact, then wouldn't the proper stance be to simply encrypt the DVDs rather than pretend that copying doesn't occur?
Redish All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Jan 31 2006 : 10:56PM
WEll, I didn't know the other two were responding, just coincidence.

"Unencrypted?"

Midtown
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Posted - Jan 31 2006 : 11:16PM
This quote from PCWorld talks about the encryption issue.

"At the heart of the legal issues is the Content Scrambling System (CSS) encryption installed on almost all commercial DVDs. This encryption is intend to block piracy (or at least make it more difficult), but it also gets in the way of making legitimate copies, such as backups. Technically, CSS didn't prove to be much protection; software to break it appeared soon after the first encrypted DVDs hit the market. But the Digital Millennium Copyright Act outlaws the sale, distribution, and use of tools intended to break copy protection, regardless of whether they have legitimate uses."

So, if a DVD is unencrypted, then it's fair game to be copied. And, even if it is encrypted, the illegality in copying that DVD is not in the copying of the DVD itself (which could be construed as being for "fair use"), but in the "use of tools intended to break copy protection."

Edited by - Midtown on 1/31/2006 11:17:34 PM

Daedrian
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Posted - Jan 31 2006 : 11:32PM
Almost all Hollywood dvds are encrypted. The majority of porn dvds are not encrypted.
Midtown
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Posted - Feb 1 2006 : 12:22AM
Yeah. I figured as much. My question is why aren't they encrypted? Given the current state of the law, encryption would appear to be the best defense against pirating - not censoring people from talking about what DVDs they have backed up on their hard drives.
 
de25ge
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Posted - Feb 1 2006 : 12:27AM
It seems that they don't know much about technology, like anamorphic issues etc....

HD-DVD or Blue-Ray should have a good encryption....

juha
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Posted - Feb 1 2006 : 1:32AM
Because they want to save the money for the licence could be a reason.
The licence to use CSS costs for example $5000 per year.

Frankly I don't have a clue what this thread has to do with porn?
If you buy your porn legally, you don't need to ask all these questions.

Come on, let's discuss Devon's scene in "My first porn 2".
Is it an anal scene or not?

Hardware All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Feb 1 2006 : 3:16AM
You seem to be a little confused. The people doing the censoring are the owners of this site. They have nothing to do with any studio's decision whether or not to encrypt their DVD's.

Regardless of your intent in discussing DVD copying techniques, any such discussion on an open forum is grist for the pirates mill. This should be obvious. If being asked not to discuss copying DVD's is too much of an imposition on you, then the obvious solution is for you to go to some other site.

I think we're done here.




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