From what I understand, there is a rule in porn that you're not allowed to show golden showers in U.S. porn films. But...if you go onto the web, you can find any number of sites where you can get this type of material, even with American porn stars in them. So obviously they are being shot here in the U.S. The sites that I've found with this content will let you download the videos, but you can't actually buy them. Why is it okay to get this on line, but not in your adult video store? It seems a little hypocritical. Does anyone know?
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DenverDon Benevolent
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Posted - Jul 9 2004 : 11:05PM
Not necessarily a rule, but a guideline.
There is the Cambria list (named after a lawyer that composed it) that listed acts that if portrayed would be most likely to bring prosecution down on your head. Golden showers and scat were among things on the list. Producers (DVD/VHS) have basically followed the guidlines to avoid prosecution. To my knowledge it hasn't been tested in court. That would be a very long, expensive process.
For the web sites, I can't answer. Perhaps because they are more difficult to locate and prosecute?
That's really interesting to know. I had always assumed that it was just flat out illegal. There are a few U.S. videos I've rented that actually did have g/s in them, but I don't want to name them because I don't want to get the producers in trouble if there is someone reading this who would try to bring a lawsuit over it.
I guess I just don't understand what the big deal is about making it available in the U.S. It's not like it's child porn or rape, which most of us can agree is wrong and should be illegal. This is just a fetish. It's a little strange, even gross to some folks, but then...so is Bukkake.
By the way, when was the Cambria list written? I seem to remember hearing somewhere that interracial sex was also on a list like that at one point. Maybe it's time to update the list, because in 2004, tastes have obviously changed.
The way I mean it is peeing on someone. There are plenty of vids out there that show girls peeing. But apparenty if you pee on another person, then that crosses the line.
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DenverDon Benevolent
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Posted - Jul 10 2004 : 1:00AM
Yes Coyote, peeing on someone.
Sole Brother, I don't know the date of the Cambria list. Someone with more knowledge of that will have to respond.
As far as g/s, you can actually get them here in the US, or have them imported from overseas. It is the production of them in the US for US distribution that just isn't done. Some producers have made them, but only for overseas distribution. The same goes for fisting.
One source that you can get some is Scott Kinney at xxx-imports.com.
Thanks Don Denver...I'll check out that site. As I have been into this for a while now, I'm pretty familiar with all of the sites that offer g/s vids, the good and the bad. The only problem for me is that I'm more of a renter than a guy who actually buys the dvd's, because I get bored after watching something over and over. That's why I wish you could just rent them at the store like any other porn.
And for some reason, I prefer to see American girls do this rather than just Europeans. Nothing against the Euro girls, but it's more of a thrill for me when the girls seem like regular girls that you or I might know. I never thought any American porn stars actually did this, but after surfing the net a little bit...boy was I wrong. There are plenty who have. Even mainstream stars. But unfortunately you have to join those sites to see it.
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Posted - Jul 10 2004 : 2:42AM
Hence the "showers" word..lol. Okay thanks for the clarification. I've seen one recently but can't think of the name..anyway I much rather see these than those "brownie showers"
I've always thought that when obscenity cases come up its because a community (or police) somewhere has been offended by the sale of videos containing watersports/fisting etc. Whereas on the net communityies don't get offended, nobody complains and they websites get way with it.
Not only that, but there are instances aplenty of golden showers in U.S.-produced, nominlally solo-peeing titles. JM Productions, for example, has included some such scenes in its Liquid Gold series. Even the relatively trashy studio Filmco/Bacchus has the occasional splattery-shower sequence.
But you can always import some NTSC DVD transfers of such titles (Mr. Kinney can help you there, as can the U.K.-based Glimpse; and, then, there is the hard-to-track-down High Tides material, which is U.S.-made).
Cygnus 5 wrote : Not only that, but there are instances aplenty of golden showers in U.S.-produced, nominlally solo-peeing titles. JM Productions, for example, has included some such scenes in its Liquid Gold series.
Actually, Jim Powers and the guys at JM Prod are a little wilder these days : I recently rented the DVDs of Liquid Gold 9 and Violation Of Gia Paloma. The former has Audrey Hollander drinking her own piss, while VOGP has Gia being pissed on by (all?) the violaters. I don't think that these 2 dvds are "special editions" for the European market, they have the regular "JM" label... Pardon my english :-)