Right now, HD cable boxes and satellite receivers also have SD outputs on them. They will downconvert the signal to 480i before sending the signal to an SD TV. When setting up the receiver, you would have the option of how you want the 16:9 signal displayed on your 4:3 TV. It can either be letterboxed or cropped.

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are saying . it will look terriable because the standard tv is not able to hand the singal? Will iy look crop or in letter box format on a standard tv?

then if this is so, why are they putting shoot on HD? Alot of people will stay away from those title and studio will loose a lot of money . unleast studio's start offering two different format ,standard and hd on one disk so both worlds could enjoy viewing the movie without going out and buying a 4 thousand dollar tv . ....

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Shooting HD to be viewed on a standard TV can look very different from shooting SD. To see good examples of this, take a look at American Chopper or Town Hall . HD acquistion viewed on SD can also be virtually indistinquishable from SD acquisition. I've heard people rave about HD sports broadcasts (that they were watching on HD sets), yet I could barely discern a difference (if at all.)

There are some reasons that HDV (what most porn companies mean when they say shot on HD) might actaully look a little more compressed than it's older sibling DV (which is what most porn has been shot on for the past half dozen years or so.) I'd be surprised if the casual viewer would pick up the difference between the two (both good points and bad) when watching on a Standard TV.

So no it doesn't have to be letterboxed if you don't want it to be. On an SD TV set the image quality shouldn't be any different than what you expect already.

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can you explain what I was seeing then?

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Edited by - TonyC on 7/12/2005 8:10:21 PM

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If the disc doesn't work, then it is defective (or your player is defective). If your player plays other discs with no problems, you should return the DVD for replacement.

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This is really no different from buying a copy of a Hollywood movie on DVD. Just because they shoot film, doesn't mean they can't put the final product on a Standard Definition DVD.

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There are several porn studios shooting movies with cameras that shoot in Hi Def. The movies are then often released in Standard Def on normal DVDs. You can watch these with your normal DVD player on your standard TV.

You will most likely see the movie letterboxed if that is the way it was shot and encoded and that is the default on the disc and your player. So you will see plain black bars on top and bottom.
If the movie is good and the disc is good, it should not look fuzzy at all. If anything, the picture should look at least a little clearer than porn that you are used to watching.

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Edited : damn , I misspelled "there" as "their" . I hate people who do that , which means right now I'm hating myself . Not nearly as much as I hate the fact that Tricia isn't sitting next to me right now , though . I really feel like surreptitiously glancing over and oggling her boobies . Is that wrong ?!

Edited by - Lee O on 7/13/2005 5:59:23 AM

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i still don't understand. I am looking for HDV? on the cover of the movie? HDV is High def video?

Its film on hd, but then tranfer to SD .. what does SD mean ? standard digital?

If i decided to buy a high def movie.. that is HDV later if i buy a high def tv will i be getting the true quility of a HD ? Do i need to go out and buy a hd dvd player? and high def tv to get the good quility?

i guess i am still confuse. as i said before i am not technical ......

btw i hate letter box in porn . i refuse to buy them.

Edited by - hard4u on 7/13/2005 10:41:26 AM

Edited by - hard4u on 7/13/2005 10:47:07 AM

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Some of these DVD might playback with letterbox, but you can tell your DVD player to paly the same material without letterbox. You do this using your DVD remote to acccess the player settings menu. Select "pan and scan"

As to the rest, seeing HD on a porn DVD is 97.3% marketing hype. Other than having to ask your DVD player to play the DVD without letterbox bars (pan and scan) it will not effect your viewing experience at all.

The dispointment you experienced with your last disc has nothing to do with the HD on the package. Somewhere between the people fucking and the pressing of the disc, somebody fucked up, perhaps serveral times at several different stages, resulting in the fuzziness, blue halos and generall crappiness. There are many discussion threads on ADT devoted to similary afflicted titles. It has nothing to do with whether or not the title was shot on HD, or what flavor of HD/HDV was used.

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I thought it was true HD, but it isn't.. it film and brought down to sd. I think that wrong .. and they should explain that more clearly to us...

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Norcent-Technology LT-1720 17" 16:9 HDTV Ready LCD TV - PC Input

$ 369.95

Edited by - hard4u on 7/13/2005 4:08:43 PM

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The box most likely said something like HD Porn or something like that. It was shot on HD.

Either in editing or right after editing, they downgraded the quality to SD (Standard Definition). That is why it is on a normal DVD.

And BTW - Tony likes to say that there is no such thing as WATCHING HD porn. He tends to leave out the part that there are versions of some movies that are playable on PCs. Movies such as Rawhide and Island Fever 3. Although these are not normal DVDs that play in the normal DVD players that hook up to TVs, they are the equivalent of a DVD-Rom and you can watch them on almost any PC that has a DVD-Rom Player and decent speed or processing power.

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Of course making HDV look good takes even more finess than making DV look good. That's the price you pay when you compress six times as much data (10GBytes/minute for uncompressed HD vs. 1.7GBytes/minute for uncompressed SD) into the same 216 MByte datastream. And aside from LeeO "piston pounding" question from the other thread, the extreme compression that HDV undergoes at acquistion (something like 20:1) can never be undone, and becomes a real liablity when comes time to add another generation of compression for DVD playback.

This means more and more people having the same experience as hard4u, porn stamped "HD" that actually looks worse than what they're already used to. By the time in the den HD playback is a consumer reality, HD porn will be a joke.

Edited by - TonyC on 7/13/2005 7:57:10 PM

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Also, I don't think HD porn will be a joke anymore than much of today's StandardDef porn is a joke. There's companies that shoot stuff that's better quality than other companies. The consumers quickly figure out what is better. It will be the same with stuff shot from the HD cameras. If a company does a bad job, avid consumers will stop buying it.

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It may well be even more pronounced.
If any company steps up to the plate and dares to make an HD production without making compromises in technical quality, the result could be amazing.
Fingers crossed.

We just need to get the BluRay vs. HD-DVD format war over and done with.

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you can get the 16:9 aspect ratio in DVDs.

Norcent isn't a great name in LCDs. There is a 32" widescreen Mag (Proview) LCD TV (RX-326) that I've seen cheap ($1,400 CDN) that has a great picture. kinda suprising considering name brands at the same size are 2 or 3 times the price.

I thought it would be way too big for our bedroom so I went with a 23" Samsung.

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The vast majority of scripted shows (non-"reality" shows) on network TV are in HD as well as the majority of sporting events.

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Thanks in advance.

Sometimes it's better not to. That goes for abstaining, too.

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As I understand it there currently is only one way to watch HD recorded movies in their highest resolution. That's if the file is transferred into a High Def Windows Media File at the original resolution.

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Sometimes it's better not to. That goes for abstaining, too.

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So Vince, the probable answer to your question is that there will be a standard DVD that you will be able to watch in any DVD player that you own and that there will be another DVD that, if you're running Windows XP, you should be able to watch on your PC in high definition. Here are the minimum and optimum configurations recommended by Microsoft:

Minimum Configuration
(to play 720p video)
# Windows XP
# Windows Media Player 9 Series
# 2.4 GHz processor or equivalent
# 384 MB of RAM
# 64 MB video card
# DVD drive
# 1024 x 768 screen resolution
# 16-bit sound card
# Speakers

Optimum Configuration
(to play 1080p video with 5.1 surround sound)
# Windows XP
# Windows Media Player 9 Series
# DirectX 9.0
# 3.0 GHz processor or equivalent
# 512 MB of RAM
# 128 MB video card
# DVD drive
# 1920 x 1440 screen resolution
# 24-bit 96 kHz multichannel sound card
# 5.1 surround sound speaker system

You can find more information about WMV HD here.

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Sometimes it's better not to. That goes for abstaining, too.

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