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SueR
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Posted - Jan 17 2003 : 6:40AM
Thursday night I made myself look like a moron by deigning to tell *you* about the effect of pain-themed titles on sales of videos. At that time I didn't know that you are, in fact, also known as Alek James Hidell, director of Slap Happy. After washing the egg off my face I have a question:

You said that money has never been your motivator, but rather doing what you want to do, making the porn you want to make. What do you think of the hypocrisy of distributors (let alone retailers) who won't take your product simply because of the title?

The content of videos like Rough Sex and Slap Happy are in plenty of other videos, just not as concentrated. How does it make you feel when videos like Dirty Trixxx or those of Redboard Video and Spunky Spur are easier for a consumer to find than Slap Happy?

And finally, do you feel unfairly targeted by the porn media as a lightning rod for charges of creating "violent" porn? Do you think Marc Davis, long a fan of choking his female co-stars, should share some of this unwanted spotlight?

Thanks in advance,
Sue

Edited by - suer on Jan 21 2003

Bill All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Jan 17 2003 : 11:13AM
Although I'm not Brandon, I have to throw my two cents in here. I don't find it hypocritical at all for the distributors and retailers to be concerned about the titles of the movies that they sell.

These are the people who are usually on the "front line" of any obscenity prosecution. Videos with a title like "Slap Happy" makes anti-porn prosecutors drool. Not selling a title because they are protecting their own livelihood is not a hypocritical decision in my mind. It's a smart business decision.

edited for proper grammar.

Edited by - Bill on 1/21/2003 8:50:21 PM

SueR
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12/02
Posted - Jan 21 2003 : 12:45AM
I understand...but...it's about the title, not the content. That's why I label it as hypocritical. If Brandon's new upcoming line "I Like It Rough" was titled "Rampage 10", no one would worry about the D.A.'s office. I also label it hypocrisy because distributors that sell BDSM are refraining from selling titles like Slap Happy to their customers. Don't tell me about BDSM tapes not having sex in them, because any D.A. jonesin' for an obscenity charge wouldn't care that they were just slapping butts instead of fucking them.
Brandon Iron
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3/02
Posted - Jan 21 2003 : 12:58AM
It is difficult to give a measured, balanced response. I mean, I know I have an edgy reputation with some girls. The more I am myself, however, the more comfortable I am with who I am and what gets me off.
It doesn't embarrass me in the least to suck a woman's toes or lick her butt. If it works, it works. The same applies to my rough stuff. I am shooting what I want to see. It is definately not for everyone, and I like it that way.
If I could make 5 or 10 times the money directing features for Vivid or Wicked, I would rather get out of the business. It does nothing for me, and I would be horrible at it.
Sex is more vibrant, more dynamic, and more alive for me when it is intense and very physical.
I hope I reach my target audience without offending too many people. That is sure to happen, but it is not my intent.
Brandon
P.S. Distributors can sell whatever they want. Freedom of choice is a wonderful thing. In the internet age, however, the consumer has all the power. Let's let the marketplace decide whether rough sex is a collosal failure or success.
tricia_devereaux
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Posted - Jan 21 2003 : 3:47AM
I think Bill hit it pretty much on the mark.
A lot of those people who make the initial complaints don't even watch the video they complained about. That's why some companies will put certain things IN their video, but not on the boxcover. Same goes with the title. Many distributors may also be more comfortable with specifically Mason's movies, as it is a female in a powerful position over the talent, not a male. It's perceived as different.
To paraphrase from Bill, it's not hypocritical, it's being smart.

I don't have problems with almost any specific act that I've ever seen in porn. What I have problems with is the ways in which they are sometimes presented. Unfortunately, in porn, a book is VERY often judged by it's cover.

 
folkyboy
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162 Posts
1/03
Posted - Jan 21 2003 : 4:11AM
is that why such lame/tame/same films keep coming out with "leather" in the title but all it really turns out to be is just people walking around in leather clothing doing the same old thing tame videos do?
SyberScott
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1/03
Posted - Jan 21 2003 : 5:35AM
We need more Brandon Irons in the business!

The rougher the better!

Slap Happy Scott ;-)

Bill All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Jan 21 2003 : 9:01PM
But who's the hypocrite here, the distributor/store owner or the prosecutors? If history shows that prosecutors are drawn toward prosecuting titles with provocative names, as a business owner, why would someone in thier right mind sell movies that would attract unwanted attention?

I'm not saying that I agree that these movies (or any movies for that matter) should be subject to obscenity prosection. But the sad fact is that they are. Distributors and store owners are business people, not first amendment crusaders.

Even though I don't like it, I can't say that I blame these adult business owners from avoiding movies with provocative titles.

skronker
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Posted - Jan 21 2003 : 9:41PM
Then again, provocative titles probably rent like crazy. "Rough Sex," both volumes, was NEVER available at my local mom'n'pop, though I have to say it took a lot of gumption to walk up to the counter with it, esp. with families and kids and neighborhood folks hovering around the counter. You pretty much have to be matter-of-fact about it, and if anyone gives you a funny look, say, "Yes, I'm a perv!" Then again, I suspect someone at the video store was as well, or else they never would have stocked it. ((God, I miss that place!))
skronker
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Posted - Jan 21 2003 : 9:41PM
Jewel Valmont, please come home!!!
SueR
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Posted - Jan 22 2003 : 2:01AM
Bill wrote:
"But who's the hypocrite here, the distributor/store owner or the prosecutors?"

Both, in their own way.

Bill:
"If history shows that prosecutors are drawn toward prosecuting titles with provocative names, as a business owner, why would someone in thier right mind sell movies that would attract unwanted attention?"

But that's just it..."If". What history shows is that there is no pattern. The only pattern in D.A. retailer crackdowns is that it's random. That's why I bring up BDSM videos being sold by the same distributors who don't stock Slap Happy. Are they afraid that because Extreme is more popular than ZFX that Slap Happy will get more attention? Would a DA or an undercover cop or a clandestine christian with no knowledge of porn even know the difference?

Bill All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Jan 22 2003 : 9:30PM
First, there are stores in many locations that won't sell bondage and S&M movies either (for the same reason). However, I can't say that I have ever heard of any non-sex BDSM video having been prosecuted for obscenity in the US. Until someone actually is charged for a tape like this, I don't see why retailers would be afraid to sell them.
Jaktarn
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5/05
Posted - Aug 14 2009 : 5:23AM
Question to Brandon: Where you ever in a relationship with Envy, I have seen her in scenes a couple of times where you played husband and wife. Best known of course from that Al Borda gangbang. With the unforgettable quote from you: "First we stuffed you like a turkey no we gonna glaze you like one".
Brandon Iron
BrandonIron.com

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Posted - Aug 14 2009 : 3:20PM
No, I've never been in a relationship with Envy. I just enjoyed her company very, very much when we did get together.
Jaktarn
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Posted - Aug 14 2009 : 4:47PM
I sure understand that. Lover your chemistry probably a big reason for asking.
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