try to convince a Football top player that he shouldn't earn more than the average sportsmen

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To start doing IR when a performer is already old (I do love the mature porn performers too, so don't get me wrong there) or is trying to jump start her career again, or other agencies lost interest in working with her so she feels IR is the only way to go forward, why should anyone who is into IR care at that point? Should we be begging for crumbs? Think again. Obviously the message from that performer is working with Black co-stars is a second thought or means of last resort. Which is why those female performs who shuns the (racist in imho) view of wait till later in your career to do IR, has my whole support in everything she does in her porn career.

And to those who says doing IR right out of the gate will only ruin someone's career, that's also shown to be bull. Look at Mia Melano for the rebuttal on that. Or Eliza Ibarra, or Nina North, or Avi Love and others.

Now it could be said that some who do IR may shun Black men in their personal life, but my response to that is so? Personal life is one thing, but to do a job is another matter. Performing in porn is getting paid to provide a fantasy.

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What's your timeline for a new model to shoot an IR scene? If she does it later in her career you say you've already written her off, but you never bothered to tell us what your expectations are for their careers. Should every model be pressured or expected to click every little box on the porn menu when they're in their first few months, year, etc... so that every special interest is met?

Further, why should a performer who 'shuns' someone else, regardless of the reason, be expected to put aside their preference because of your fantasy? If an asian model says she doesn't want to work with white men, which limits her career potential immensely, shouldn't she be allowed to make that decision? Should a black female who isn't attracted to asian men be pressured to do at least one scene with an asian because someone has that fantasy? How about the fantasy of an asian gangbang with a black model, should she be chided into doing that just so you can say she did it?

You should care a little more about the real, personal aspects of performers because that plays such a large part in what they do in front of the camera. We're not watching robots (yet) so you could be well served to put aside your ridiculous expectations of what other people do with their lives and just enjoy what they've chosen to share with us.

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I made my original post to answer the OP's question of is the label IR racist? And my answer is no, refusing to do so is. Once again just to make myself clear, I'm not implying that every porn actress has to do IR, just stating the fact that should they refuse to do it, they're going to get labeled as such.

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Many fans don't want to hear about the idea of a girl pacing their career and not doing everything from the start but a girl pacing their career is smart business sense and most girls do it. They might just pick certain things to do sooner than others and they might get to those things at a faster pace than some other girls do simply because they need to while some might not. Some girls may choose to hold off on IR, some might hold off on anal, some might hold off on DP or threesomes, some hold off on creampies or whatever. It only makes sense. Every girl's career has an arc. Why shouldn't she hold on to something that may give her career a boost if/when needed. Also keep in mind that just because a girl does IR in the first 6 months of her career, that doesn't mean she didn't do it to give her career a boost. Maybe she didn't plan to do IR but she decided she wasn't as popular as she thought she should be and decided IR would get her where she thought she should be.

Everyone is free to have their opinion but having these made up timelines in your head and labeling the girl as racist when they don't meet imaginary deadlines is just silly and small thinking. Unless the girls comes out and explains her decision fans have no idea what their thought process is or why they've made the decision they've made. Here's a crazy thought...not every girl needs to do IR and it's not a high priority in their career path. That doesn't mean their racist. That doesn't mean they don't want to do a scene with a black guy. That doesn't mean it's something they're saving for when their career is tanking.

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Got it.

Edited by - upsux on 6/30/2019 6:07:23 PM

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I've said enough here.

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It's different to the market.
In every single entertainment market what generate more incomes is paid more , the performers get a share of the earnings, but apparently in porn those generating those major earnings aren't allowed to do so moreover those generate valuable incomes more than once with multiple issues , compilation remastered editions (interracialPass is doing this a while now) But the star who performed that are only paid ONCE and there's a campaign so that they shouldn't even get the slightest share of the astounding amount of money they generate.

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I don't think you use the good analogy a top player earn more because he put good performance a hell of a show
so as a top player he gets a high rating
but i think's it's corny when girls charge more for IR and claiming it's because it sells more and all those funny stuffs because those manuel ferrera dvds do pretty well and i don't think they charge more on him for example

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In mainstream Cinema happens the very same thing, some of the performers generate more incomes than other and they get a share of them getting paid more

In here everybody is saying that despite IR is generating more incomes due to its popularity and despite firsts iR especially generate even more for the site having them, still the performers at the very origins of such raised incomes shouldn't get a shit of those.

funny, why this should work backwards compared to anything else in any market? where the more incomes you generate the more you earn.

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Edited by - LCF on 7/1/2019 8:45:13 AM

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Also apparently in the marked nobody seem to give a fuck for a black girl first IR , there's no market for it

You can't apply the rules of any regular working environment , it's a showbiz system here

In many sports black performers are very often paid more than the whites, I don't see anybody asking for salary equality there

Edited by - LCF on 7/2/2019 1:20:52 AM

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An example of racist America porn is something like this [Tweet is no longer available]

Like come on, you might say that she consented and all, but it's so degrading and racially charged, if I was asian, I would be put off. Like imagine a porn where you throw bananas at an african girl or talk about how black people are stupid.

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Jesse Jane, regardless of the ratings discussion, will bring new money to Blacked with her recent scene, thus an increase in income for Greggo. That in mind, because she only gets paid once, she's in a position to ask for more to do the scene because of the increased revenue it will bring up front with subs as well as with DVD sales and any other way it's marketed. In the world of sports, when a performer becomes a draw for the team they will be in a position to be compensated more than before, granted it's a salary not one-time paycheck, but when Lebron James is putting asses in seats he WILL be paid more than if attendance and advertising revenue remained at previous levels.

Folks get tunnel vision with the belief that women ask for more to shoot a 'first IR' only because the costar is black but won't acknowledge that increased profit to the people writing the check is another possible reason why they could/should be asking for more.

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Stop making this be about something it isn't about.

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That's really funny, you are asking those performers to keep their rate low even knowing their scene has a major market value , everybody is getting more money except the girls why is that? might be even called sexism

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Edited by - upsux on 7/2/2019 7:51:14 AM

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I don't see anybody asking anything to them such as they shouldn't discriminate and maintain their usual wage or IR is just BG sex , why are you charging more for it?

for the very same reason the girls ask more , that scene will generate more money and they both get paid more because of this.

again why the girl is the only one who shouldn't be paid accordingly, why nobody says nothing about the males?

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O.k. I have to admit that some of my criticisms that I posted earlier may have been a bit harsh and hypocritical. I put some thought into it and for one, I am glad that Jesse Jane in her IR debut after a hiatus has been getting a lot of positive vibes. I have to admit, that's pretty cool and I wish her continued success.

So, I was thinking which performers I love to watch perform who waited to do IR and the two main ones for me that stands out are Lily Love(not the one from Mexico who for whatever reason chose the same name) and Lena Anderson. edit: I still support them. Love them. What's funny is that a few years ago I didn't give a rats ass about whether a star did IR or not, and I think the reason I pay more attention to it now is one: you get a look into the minds (good or bad) of porn stars due to social media and two, the politically charged atmosphere in the U.S. made me aware of things I never paid attention to before, but for obvious reasons I wont get into that.

So yeah, we're all here for the porn and we pay for what we like and variety is the spice of life. Cheers all.

Edited by - boxlicker69 on 7/2/2019 10:53:55 AM

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A stepdaughter scene might make more than a regular gonzo scene in today's market. There is no stepdaughter rate.

A scene where a girl is wearing a sexier outfit might draw more than one where she's not wearing something as sexy. There is no sexy outfit rate.

Swallowing scenes and/or facial scenes might earn more than when the girl takes a cumshot on her stomach. There are not swallowing or facial rates.

But there is an IR rate.

There is value to the conversation that porn stars should be paid more based on how much money they'll earn for the company. Profit-sharing of some sort. The details would have to be worked out of course. But this is not that conversation. You guys are trying to smoke-and-mirror this thing into something it's not.

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I'm not sure the step-daugter is actually generating more than for example a step-brother a step-mother, a step-sister , a baby-sitter or a friend's mother , BFF Father and so on there are too many stuff falling into that category it's not really a different category
there are category with higher wages such as anal, DP , gang bangs but those are paid more for every scene not just the first one there's not an actual comparison
besides fucking a black man is not an "extreme" act

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This is starting to change. But it's still true the majority of girls.

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If a performer, of any race or gender, has the leverage to ask for a higher than normal rate for a 'first' then they should do it every. single. time.

We're at the point where I'm holding up a gallon of 2% and a gallon of skim and you're standing there shaking your head saying there's only 2%.

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