Rape scenes

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MrFister New Member 3 Posts 4/09	Posted - Apr 16 2009 : 6:51PM I am an avid porn watcher, and perhaps one of the most titillating genres for me in the rape/forced sex genre. I found a couple sights, but all their videos were foreign. Does anyone know of a good site, or a movie, or a studio, that does English Language rape scenes? I think it would be much hotter if the girls were protesting in English. Please don't judge me. [Link]
Ordell Deactivated User 1042 Posts 6/05	Posted - Apr 16 2009 : 7:12PM About 1/4 of JAV vids are rape themed. Goes up to about 50% when they use women over 27. [Link]
killbillvol69 All-Star Member ^Lucy Pinder 18631 Posts 4/08	Posted - Apr 17 2009 : 1:04AM Are you into BDSM? Because I'm sure sites like Sex and Submission, Fucked and Bound and Fucking Dungeon have some protesting going on by the women who are bound and forced to engage in the sex the men want. I'm not sure that's exactly the same as what you're looking for though. If those don't work for you, maybe you could try the early movies (2002-05) by the director Mason (IAFD, ADT). A lot of non-consensual sex role play going on there. Read the reviews, see what you think. [edit: added that the Mason movies are role play of forced stuff, not actual non-consensual sex] Edited by - killbillvol69 on 4/17/2009 12:11:01 PM [Link]
skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02	Posted - Apr 17 2009 : 4:42AM Mason flicks are highly consensual. What are you talking about? THOSE early ones are rough sex and role play but w/people who like to play that way. It's illegal otherwise. [Link]
Breeze Member One Smokin Hot Chic 532 Posts 11/08	Posted - Apr 17 2009 : 8:29AM Check out the "Wild Boy" scene in Sodomania 7 by Elegant Angel. [Link]

killbillvol69 All-Star Member ^Lucy Pinder 18631 Posts 4/08	Posted - Apr 17 2009 : 12:07PM skronker wrote: Mason flicks are highly consensual. What are you talking about? THOSE early ones are rough sex and role play but w/people who like to play that way. It's illegal otherwise. Click to expand Yeah sorry Skronk that's what I meant. I assumed this guy didn't actually want videotaped evidence of a real rape, but rather scenes with role play on that theme. And Mason made some great scenes exploring the rough sex/non-consensual sex themes. Of course it's all play, but that's all you'd likely get from anywhere on video. [Link]
Breeze Member One Smokin Hot Chic 532 Posts 11/08	Posted - Apr 17 2009 : 2:03PM Mason movies are great, but is there a situation where she directs the role play fantasy of rape? I haven't seen one. Rough Sex yes, but role play rape NO. [Link]
killbillvol69 All-Star Member ^Lucy Pinder 18631 Posts 4/08	Posted - Apr 17 2009 : 2:39PM Yeah ok maybe not rape, fine, you guys are right. But certainly some of her stuff, like the scene with Daisy from Internally Yours 3, have a lot of that "no, don't do that to me, ok yes I'm into it, no I don't want to" type of atmosphere to them. What should I call it, 'forced' sex? It's a bit different (to me anyway) from what I would call "rough sex", because 'rough' doesn't imply any domination, or one's will being challenged, or mental stuff or anything like that. Rough just means rough to me. Thrusting incredibly hard, some pinching and spanking, etc. I was just trying to point the dude to the stuff I could think of that was closest to something he may like. If everyone disagrees with my Mason assessment, then MrFister should ignore my recommendation. [edit: typo] Edited by - killbillvol69 on 4/17/2009 2:39:39 PM [Link]
thealienfiend Member Blessed is he who expects little, for he shall not be disappointed 12 Posts 7/08	Posted - Apr 17 2009 : 3:42PM the best english language rape scene was in the accused, starring jodi foster. it was pretty damn realistic (at least for someone who has never taken part in or watched an actual rape). max hardcore is pretty much all rape stuff. there are also some good JAV rape scenes but lots of them are pixellated (if that's the right term?) always bemused me, the fact that you can be watching a movie where girls vomit and shit all over each other and are raped in school uniforms but as soon as a cock or cunt is shown - NO: can't show that, that is lude and obscene. lol - much like people here who like to watch 18 yr olds take it in the ass 30 minutes after they turn legal who rag on guys (or girls) that like to see dirty a2m or gagging bjs. :) [Link]
Breeze Member One Smokin Hot Chic 532 Posts 11/08	Posted - Apr 17 2009 : 4:37PM killbillvol69 wrote: But certainly some of her stuff, like the scene with Daisy from Internally Yours 3, have a lot of that "no, don't do that to me, ok yes I'm into it, no I don't want to" type of atmosphere to them. What should I call it, 'forced' sex? Click to expand Ok Killbillvol69, there are a lot of people with "rape" fantasies. I didn't mean to hack your post. I can't tell you how many women just want to be used, seriously. In either a rape fantasy or a consensual sex fantasy, it's crazy. It has been my experience that many women (not all} just want to get fucked sensless. I find that many of these women are in a committed relationship and feel the need to be used out of boredom or whatever. They want to be fucked hard, what can I say? [Link]
SmellsLikeAss Member I can smell gape... 299 Posts 5/08	Posted - Apr 17 2009 : 4:54PM Does nobody else find this thread somewhat disturbing? The whole idea/premise of the thing freaks me right out, a frightening insight into the sexual consciousness of the masses. TBH I don't think I could have sex with someone who was willing, but perhaps didn't seem to be that interested in me as a person, ie doing it for cash ect. The concept of forcing a woman to have sex repulses me. [Link]
Unferth Member 277 Posts 1/09	Posted - Apr 17 2009 : 5:07PM Watch Basie-Moi. It's a French "art" film that was shown at Sundance and a few other places. It's a Thelma and Louise type movie, it starts with two young getting brutally raped and because they used actual porn stars, you saw everything and it was extremely realistic (or so I would imagine), you saw full on sexual penetration, torn clothing, screaming, blood, the works. Also there is a movie called Irreversible where Monica Bellucci is raped in a subway tunnel. Rape themed porn usually amuses me. It starts out with a young woman innocently reading a magazine on the couch, the doorbell rings, and one or two guys burst in, grab her, and fuck the shit out of her despite her (mild) protests. All the while a camera is about 3 feet away from them all filming the whole thing as they try to ignore it and usually fail. [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Apr 17 2009 : 5:31PM SmellsLikeAss wrote: Does nobody else find this thread somewhat disturbing? The whole idea/premise of the thing freaks me right out, a frightening insight into the sexual consciousness of the masses. TBH I don't think I could have sex with someone who was willing, but perhaps didn't seem to be that interested in me as a person, ie doing it for cash ect. The concept of forcing a woman to have sex repulses me. Click to expand Yes - I agree. I'm not "judging" per se, but some of these comments are pretty disturbing (Breeze's post...). I don't find rape fantasies, male or female, morally reprehensible exactly - as long as it's a fantasy and its consensual. I do find it surprising and pretty gross, though, that suggestions are being made of films that are intended to be disturbing, or grapple with the realities of rape, as though for sexual arousal. Edited by - Gore Gore Girl on 4/17/2009 5:35:44 PM Edited by - Gore Gore Girl on 4/17/2009 5:36:31 PM [Link]
Arditti Member 529 Posts 5/07	Posted - Apr 17 2009 : 9:22PM Another one is a french film named L'Amour violé, made around 1980, with Nathalie Nell. There is a long and explicit rape scene, hard to sustain, almost like Monica Belluci's one in Irresistible. It's strange that topic has not been developed in porn films here. [Link]
ma meeshka Iconoclastic Member 3939 Posts 4/06	Posted - Apr 17 2009 : 9:44PM I can't tell you how many women just want to be used, seriously. In either a rape fantasy or a consensual sex fantasy, it's crazy. It has been my experience that many women (not all} just want to get fucked sensless. I find that many of these women are in a committed relationship and feel the need to be used out of boredom or whatever. They want to be fucked hard, what can I say? Click to expand didn't realise you were a psycho. noted. [Link]

realtip Deactivated User 2301 Posts 6/04	Posted - Apr 18 2009 : 3:24AM From movies like *The Accused,* to *Irreversible,* to *Boys Don't Cry,* mainstream Hollywood movies portary rape scenes quite frequently. Many movies even have child actresses portraying characters who are raped by adult men, such as in *Bastard Out of Carolina,* and *Eye for An Eye,* and *Things Behind the Sun.* TV comedy shows now even make fun of rape. *Family Guy,* for example, does rape jokes just about every other week; I can think of atleast four off the top of my head right now. So, if it is perfectly OK for Hollywood to portray rape scenes in film and TV, then why is it such a problem when it's done in porn? To answer my own question, is it because people tend to forget that, just like regular actresses, porn actresses are only acting.This is just another example of one of the many porn double-standards that exist in American porn. To answer the OP's question, there are a couple of porn movies/scenes that I can think of which seem to fit into the rape fetish category: Savage Fury Down the Hatch #19 Perverted Stories #20 Tough Love #2 Donkey Punch Week in the Life of A Prostitute Edited by - realtip on 4/18/2009 3:24:52 AM [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Apr 18 2009 : 3:36AM realtip wrote: So, if it is perfectly OK for Hollywood to portray rape scenes in film and TV, then why is it such a problem when it's done in porn? To answer my own question, is it because people tend to forget that, just like regular actresses, porn actresses are only acting.This is just another example of one of the many porn double-standards that exist in American porn. Click to expand Ummm...No, it's because in the films you mention the rape scenes are not presented for the sexual pleasure of the viewer. In porn the intention is for you to beat off, that was not the intention of any of the mainstream films you mention and anyone who did beat off to them would be one scary motherfucker (particularly if they were getting off on the child rape in Bastard out of Carolina). S&M rape scenarios I can live with but there's a difference between these fantasies and the realistic presentation of rape. Anyone beating off to the rape scene in Irreversible needs their head examined. So, with that in mind, here are some 70s features that have rape sequences in them: Waterpower, Defiance of Good, Sex Wish, Farmer's Daughter, Winter Heat, Femmes De Sade. Edited by - BlackSix on 4/18/2009 3:41:23 AM [Link]
Loraine Senior Member 1559 Posts 3/04	Posted - Apr 18 2009 : 8:34AM realtip wrote - "To answer my own question, is it because people tend to forget that, just like regular actresses, porn actresses are only acting.This is just another example of one of the many porn double-standards that exist in American porn." Porn actresses are acting that they are getting fucked? [Link]
Fernandez Deactivated User 781 Posts 12/08	Posted - Apr 18 2009 : 9:12AM Loraine wrote: Porn actresses are acting that they are getting fucked? Click to expand Probably the most accurate statement ever posted here! [Link]
LubeNLuv Senior Member 1854 Posts 3/06	Posted - Apr 18 2009 : 9:17AM realtip wrote: Savage Fury Down the Hatch #19 Perverted Stories #20 Tough Love #2 Donkey Punch Week in the Life of A Prostitute Click to expand I've only seen a couple of these, but Donkey Punch? Isn't that the one where Alex Devine claimed she really WAS raped for the scene? [Link]
Loraine Senior Member 1559 Posts 3/04	Posted - Apr 18 2009 : 10:42AM SmellsLikeAss wrote: Does nobody else find this thread somewhat disturbing? The whole idea/premise of the thing freaks me right out, a frightening insight into the sexual consciousness of the masses. TBH I don't think I could have sex with someone who was willing, but perhaps didn't seem to be that interested in me as a person, ie doing it for cash ect. The concept of forcing a woman to have sex repulses me. Click to expand Oh no we can't be disturbed because the original poster conclude with "Please don't judge me" and that precludes us voicing our discomfiture. [Link]
LubeNLuv Senior Member 1854 Posts 3/06	Posted - Apr 18 2009 : 1:15PM I don't know guys. Considering this is porn and a woman is willing to have NORMAL sex with a virtual stranger who very well might be transmitting a serious disease that could later end her life, something that HAS already happened in the industry, I don't see "make believe rape" scenes to be that big of a deal. I mean there are porn scenes being filmed and watched, perhaps even right at this very moment (lets hope not!) that may in fact be the depiction of a persons first exposure to a deadly HIV infection. You could be watching a snuff film and not even realize it for months/years to come. So if I were to see a realistic-looking explicit porn rape scene, I'm an adult, I know I'm not watching a REAL rape scene, I know the participants all signed releases, agreed to the scene beforehand, were paid well for their time, saw it as just a gig/job, etc.....that wouldn't really concern me all that much. Remember, the OP didn't ask for scenes of REAL rape in progress, he asked for porn scenes depicting this. It may not be my particular cup of tea, but then again, most gangbang films and facials kind of turn me off as well for that matter. But it _IS_ porn we are talking about and if it is all make-believe, I'm not sure where I see the problem here. And it's not as if the whole concept of "rape/ravishment fantasy" isn't a fairly well documented common fantasy amongst women and men in the first place. I've said before that I'm fairly active with my spouse in D/s activities and I know that "forced sex" is a very strong fantasy of hers and one we have played out countless times in countless different settings. Some of them, had we any witnesses, could have been perceived as an actual rape but she has a safe word and basically stretches MY creativity to get her to use it (only done so twice in our 20+ years of role play together). Just try and keep in mind that there's an enormous difference between actual rape and role-play rape. One is a crime and done entirely without the consent of the victim. The other is just pornography and/or a kink, done entirely with the consent of both parties. That is, of course, assuming the participants are all professional about their behavior while on the set. I've heard stories that would indicate to me that with the preponderance of drugs in pornland, this may not always be the case. But in my mind, its a moot point. Porn has enough stigma without starting to roll out dozens of rape scenes. Kink.com is likely the closest you'll get to participants in pain (real and simulated) during sex. And I think they get away with as it is deemed more of a BDSM 'fetish' than rape scenes. They even end each scene with the performers being all chatty-patty to put a soft "this was a performance" spin on things. And frankly, I think their days are unfortunately numbered. Of course, there is always the psycho factor. But I doubt porn is necessary to motivate a psycho to go do psychotic things. I watched the Matrix and never once had the urge to go shoot up my local high school, unlike those kids at Columbine. [Link]
stinkfist Senior Member Subterfuge...... 7401 Posts 4/07	Posted - Apr 18 2009 : 2:21PM The Sex Box series from John Thompson GGG fame. [Link]
thealienfiend Member Blessed is he who expects little, for he shall not be disappointed 12 Posts 7/08	Posted - Apr 18 2009 : 4:45PM I guess I have to ask (as far as mainstream non-porn) movies go, why have explicit rape scenes?? To show the horror of actual rape? You think a movie can show that? If so, I find that pretty interesting..... Also, people get titillated by all sorts of things The torture scene in Reservoir Dogs. It's not being shown for artistic reasons Saw I - XVVLLLLLCCMM Media coverage of horrific cases. Come ON! That terrible Sandra Cantu story? People want to know details. It's called VICARIOUS. Great song by TOOL btw. Chorus is... WHY DON"T WE JUST ADMIT IT So.....personally, I didn't get turned on by The Accused. It's a good scene though. I guess I question why it was in there. We, as humans, get turned on by all sorts of nasty shit. We enjoy watching destruction, brutality, murder, hot sex, violent sex, "unnatural acts". Sorry for rambling............. [Link]
Stud_Rob Member 703 Posts 4/09	Posted - Apr 18 2009 : 5:21PM The rape scene in Irreversible is one of the most uncomfortable few minutes I have spent watching a film. [Link]

Savoy All-Star Member Sucker for Sinners 1844 Posts 12/06	Posted - Apr 18 2009 : 10:47PM The first porno I ever saw was a 70s rape movie called Intrusion. Synopsis: A study of the molecular structure of a rape. A shy housewife is beaten with cock, violated with a knife, and face fucked. Click to expand As a grown woman, I do at times like to be manhandled - called names, fucked and used with complete derision. I don't know how much of that is me and how much was influenced by that first movie. I was very young when I saw it. OP - as long as you don't mind bush - I hit the motherload for you. [ invalid url ]. Just a measly $149.95 a piece. Roughies. Heh. Almost sounds cute. Edited by - savoy on 4/18/2009 10:49:29 PM [Link]
stinkfist Senior Member Subterfuge...... 7401 Posts 4/07	Posted - Apr 18 2009 : 10:50PM Savoy wrote: As a grown woman, I do at times like to be manhandled a bit, called names, fucked and used with complete derision. Click to expand Hi,i am single please get in touch [Link]
Clam Digger Deactivated User Many a man fails as an original thinker simply because his memory is too good. 2268 Posts 1/05	Posted - Apr 19 2009 : 2:52AM realtip wrote: .... So, if it is perfectly OK for Hollywood to portray rape scenes in film and TV, then why is it such a problem when it's done in porn? To answer my own question, is it because people tend to forget that, just like regular actresses, porn actresses are only acting.This is just another example of one of the many porn double-standards that exist in American porn. ...... Click to expand I don't buy thr comparison between mainstream Hollywood movies and porn. The whole point of porn is to arouse the viewer and provide jerk-off material. Rape as portrayed in any mainstream Hollywood movie is not anywhere near as graphic and it is not intended to arouse, but to horrify or disgust the viewer. [Link]
10000 days Deactivated User Keep on trolling. What a bullshit! Im fucking unstoppable now ... 717 Posts 3/06	Posted - Apr 19 2009 : 6:50AM [/quote] didn't realise you were a psycho. noted. [/quote] You might be surprised if you do a little research just how common rape fantasies are in women. It's pretty twisted. [Link]
Savoy All-Star Member Sucker for Sinners 1844 Posts 12/06	Posted - Apr 19 2009 : 7:14AM Loraine - if an actor is walking in a movie, he's not actually walking? Of course he is. The acting comes in with how he walks. Same for the porn performers. They are really fucking, but HOW they are fucking is the acting part. And if you watch really good features with one capable performer, you can see that. They fuck in character. [Link]
john lyons Senior Member Co-founder of Vinegar Syndrome 1188 Posts 1/08	Posted - Apr 19 2009 : 12:42PM BlackSix wrote: Ummm...No, it's because in the films you mention the rape scenes are not presented for the sexual pleasure of the viewer. In porn the intention is for you to beat off. Click to expand I'd still say it's not an absolute. There are many X rated films in which rape scenes are presented in an intentionally un-arousing way, and the films are all the better for it (The Taking of Christina, Anna Obsessed, Night Caller and Forced Entry immediately come to mind), but the majority of XXX films sadly do depict rape as some sort of clandestine female fantasy, which I'm pretty sure it isn't. IMO, if someone gets off on rape in general, they ought to have their head examined. And, to that extent, I do think this thread is a bit disturbing. [Link]
LubeNLuv Senior Member 1854 Posts 3/06	Posted - Apr 19 2009 : 2:39PM By every known study that I've seen out there, fantasies of forced sex/ravishment are very common and almost more frequent than any other fantasy a woman has. This is pretty damn evident by just flipping through a handful of romance novels, the single most popular fiction segment in the publishing industry. Why it isn't more common in porn, particularly porn that would cater to a woman, is somewhat surprising to me. I again chalk that up to the overwhelming lack of storytelling talent and general creativity within the industry. I also tend to think the feminist movement really made admitting to the fantasy difficult, not that it was ever something you'd hear on the subway everyday in the first place. This I find surprising given that a woman admitting to having such dark sexual fantasies, and then writing about them, strikes me as being EXTREMELY liberating to her, rather than having to hide it like a badge of shame or something. One of my wifes favorite "smutty romance novel" authors is Kristina Lloyd. She was looking at my laptop screen while I was perusing the forums this morning and saw this post. She asked me to share Ms. Lloyd's blog with everyone. It makes for some interesting reading. But again, this isn't a debate about whether or not rape is "good." It clearly isn't. But depictions of rape in porn or any other media CAN offer something to a certain type of viewer. And judging from the studies I linked to above, that's a HUGE base of viewers. Make believe rape/coerced sex/ravishment. NOT real rape. It sells a bajillion books a year. Why not use it to sell more porn? Quite possibly...because nobody in porn CAN DO IT without making it look icky and sadistic and gross. Or at the very least, cheap and contrived. There is NO art left in porn. It's pure jack-off material and nothing more. Edited by - LubenLuv on 4/19/2009 2:49:48 PM [Link]
Ordell Deactivated User 1042 Posts 6/05	Posted - Apr 19 2009 : 3:11PM "I Spit on Your Grave" is still the worst rape scene ever. It goes on for a half hour. I heard the dual rape in 'Chaos', a piss poor 2005 rip off of 'Last House on the Left' is real gruesome, too. [Link]
LubeNLuv Senior Member 1854 Posts 3/06	Posted - Apr 19 2009 : 3:52PM ^^^ I heard that "I spit on your grave" is being re-made now? [Link]
Stud_Rob Member 703 Posts 4/09	Posted - Apr 19 2009 : 4:28PM I think all the rape/forced sex scenes I have seen (not that many, usually by accident or through a friend to) have all been European come to think of it. The only English one I think I've seen was an American one where a nun (Kristi Myst I think was the actress) is forced into having sex with these 3 men (builders I think) and that was reasonably titillating. There was even a part where they were using a crucifix as a dildo which looked pretty rough. May have been DP to. Anyway I have no idea what movie that was out of unfortunately. I won't judge or voice my views on this as requested MrFister. [Link]

Pagoda Senior Member Thread Killer 1747 Posts 10/05	Posted - Apr 19 2009 : 4:58PM LubeNLuv wrote: One of my wifes favorite "smutty romance novel" authors is Kristina Lloyd. She was looking at my laptop screen while I was perusing the forums this morning and saw this post. She asked me to share Ms. Lloyd's blog with everyone. It makes for some interesting reading. Click to expand Thanks for the link to that blog. I bookmarked it! Ravishment fantasies stem from female sexual repression. The whole idea behind a woman wanting to be overpowered by a man, is that it takes all responsibility and decision-making out of her hands. It lets her off the moral hook. At the same time, it makes her feel better about herself to inspire a man to drop his civilized veneer and behave in an animalistic manner. I suppose some women do have genuine rape fantasies, about being accosted by a stranger, beaten and abused. However I think most would not enjoy the reality of a rape, in which her life is threatened or even taken in the end. [Link]
ninja1 Senior Member 2939 Posts 1/08	Posted - Apr 19 2009 : 5:04PM Most of the "outer fringes" porn is better done by European producers. Not sure why that is. For example American-made spanking, bondage looks like they are intentionally trying to make it bad and cheezy and lukewarm. Probably because they are so concerned about legalities; so they bend over backwards to make sure it looks faker than fake. [Link]
LubeNLuv Senior Member 1854 Posts 3/06	Posted - Apr 19 2009 : 5:28PM Pagoda wrote: I suppose some women do have genuine rape fantasies, about being accosted by a stranger, beaten and abused. However I think most would not enjoy the reality of a rape, in which her life is threatened or even taken in the end. Click to expand You are welcome for the link. And I think that is why it is called a "rape fantasy." Emphasis on fantasy. In a fantasy, a woman never loses control, finds herself desiring to be mistreated/violated and plays it out for the sexual pleasure it gives HER. Unfortunately, I think most people turn off their brains and turn on the emotion at the word 'rape.' Understandably so, I might add. But that is why I think it has shifted to the PC term of "ravishment fantasy." [Link]
Everett Senior Member 2088 Posts 6/05	Posted - Apr 19 2009 : 6:58PM anybody remember the rape scenes (and im not a fan of the fetish) from the mainstream movies, Once Upon A Time in America(DeNiro rapes the bejesus out of Tuesday Weld and Elizabeth McGovern) and the rape scene from ??Death Wish II? [Link]
realtip Deactivated User 2301 Posts 6/04	Posted - Apr 19 2009 : 11:35PM Clam Digger wrote: I don't buy thr comparison between mainstream Hollywood movies and porn. The whole point of porn is to arouse the viewer and provide jerk-off material. Rape as portrayed in any mainstream Hollywood movie is not anywhere near as graphic and it is not intended to arouse, but to horrify or disgust the viewer. Click to expand It is true that the portrayals of rape in mainstream films are probably not presented for the sexual pleasure of the audience. But that's not the point of why I mentioned them. The point is that when we see portrayals of rape in mainstream film, the audience knows it isn't real; that it's only acting. However, the porn viewer is not given that same respect to his intelligence. If we can watch *Irreversible* without being expected to believe that Monica Belluci is really being anally raped in a subway tunnel, then why can that same expectancy not hold up in porn? As for people beating off to it, that's irrelevant. You are correct that the intention of porn is to sexually arouse the viewer. But that only happens when the action in porn appeals to the viewer by appealling to his fantasies, and porn is fantasy. This is why there are so many different niches in porn. Regardless of what people think, there is nothing wrong with people fantasizing about rape, whether it's committing the rape or being raped. As I've said here before, fantasies do not have to be safe, or even legal. There is a market for people who have this fetish, and there is no reason that porn shouldn't cater to it, just as it caters to other tastes. [Link]
john lyons Senior Member Co-founder of Vinegar Syndrome 1188 Posts 1/08	Posted - Apr 20 2009 : 1:27AM I don't think that anyone really believes that rape scenes in porn are real, but rather it's the whole idea of someone wanting to imagine that they are which I, and many others, find weird. [Link]
realtip Deactivated User 2301 Posts 6/04	Posted - Apr 20 2009 : 2:09AM ^Why? [Link]
LubeNLuv Senior Member 1854 Posts 3/06	Posted - Apr 20 2009 : 9:06AM john lyons wrote: I don't think that anyone really believes that rape scenes in porn are real, but rather it's the whole idea of someone wanting to imagine that they are which I, and many others, find weird. Click to expand I can't quite get the "imagine they are real" part that people find weird. Especially considering how many people imagine that porn depicts real female orgasms, real female ejaculate, real moaning indicating pleasure, real emotion between the performers, real depictions of a guy who can ONLY ejaculate by pulling out and beating off furiously until he erupts on the girls face who is REALLY into kneeling like a baby bird waiting for a meal for the 5 minutes he takes to get off..... Porn is ALL fantasy. Occasionally we get a little bit of reality thrown into it but that is almost always out of sheer luck and/or a pairing of performers who have worked together long enough to know each other and a director who knows to STFU and let them perform. But to the viewers on the board, there are thousands of posts about the "realities" they imagine while watching this scene or that. I think what many people struggle with is that make-believe rape makes them uncomfortable in that it mixes something they find highly repulsive with sex and that mixture is what makes them feel "weird." I've watched some Japanese stuff involving dumping all sorts of slimy creatures onto a young squealing girl, a sort of "slug bukkake." I couldn't watch it...it made me want to throw up. I've almost the SAME response to real bukkake and gokkun flicks. I just find it weird anyone can call that sexually gratifying to watch it, I feel like I'm watching a freak show, not to mention the whole concept of guys filling a room playing with themselves while they wait for their turn is just about the most ridiculously absurd thing I can even remotely relate to porn. But there are LEGIONS of fans out there, many on this board, and it is their kink and fetish and they really get off on it. I can't figure out WHY but they do. Just my opinion, but I think either a certain (insert fetish here) with your sex either appeals to you or it doesn't. What is interesting about rape/ravishment fantasy, however, is that it does NOT make a large percentage of women uncomfortable. In fact, in study after study, they list it consistently in their top 5 sexual fantasies. Not rape as we hear about on the news. But hell....I have known women before my wife who confessed to me they'd hear about a rape on the news and later found themselves masturbating to a romanticized version of the account. Their fantasies did NOT include the beating and torture and death of the horrific act of violent rape itself. But the situation itself still gave them fuel for fantasy. Some people find that appalling and weird. I can accept that. I find it liberating that they can talk about it and sexually arousing to me because they confided in ME that they found it stimulating. And as someone who has acted out this fantasy with women before, satisfying THEIR desires....I found it VERY sexually stimulating. It is most definitely a kink and a fetish. But far more common than most people realize or WANT to accept. [Link]
SunShowers Member 333 Posts 4/08	Posted - Apr 20 2009 : 9:19AM "So.....personally, I didn't get turned on by The Accused. It's a good scene though. I guess I question why it was in there." The movie is about a horrible gang rape and its consequences. Why question why it was there? [Link]
john lyons Senior Member Co-founder of Vinegar Syndrome 1188 Posts 1/08	Posted - Apr 20 2009 : 9:45AM I guess I miswrote. I'm sure most people don't think that the rape scenes in porn are indeed real but, as LubeNLuv pointed out, they fantasize about them being real (maybe not in the sense that they'd rather be watching the real thing, but are still desiring of imagining that what they are seeing ins't being "faked"). That's where I still have a problem with it: it's still somone getting off on the concept of a rape, simulated or otherwise. And, if that's not a little off centered, I don't know what is. [Link]
Tech Member Make me a bicycle Clown !!! 35 Posts 4/08	Posted - Apr 20 2009 : 1:18PM Fernandez wrote: Loraine wrote: Porn actresses are acting that they are getting fucked? Click to expand Probably the most accurate statement ever posted here! Click to expand Very True....but sometimes when the stars align and the right performers and crew get together they dont have to act!!! "You should've never trusted hollywood..." [Link]
monkey power Member Tim? 868 Posts 1/03	Posted - Apr 20 2009 : 4:18PM When it really gets disturbing is when the rape scenes pop up on the internet and the still photo of it shows military guys with a civilian woman and they appear to be possibly Yugoslavian or from some other region of the world where rapes were or are quite common...... in other words any or all of these "scenes" could potentially be real rape. So I steer the hell clear of it as a genre. [Link]
Bluto Deactivated User 511 Posts 3/09	Posted - Apr 20 2009 : 5:21PM The average porn mope couldn't rape his hand. Limp dick Mandingo hasn't had wood since his mom blew him. [Link]
Pagoda Senior Member Thread Killer 1747 Posts 10/05	Posted - Apr 20 2009 : 5:24PM LubeNLuv wrote: What is interesting about rape/ravishment fantasy, however, is that it does NOT make a large percentage of women uncomfortable. In fact, in study after study, they list it consistently in their top 5 sexual fantasies. Not rape as we hear about on the news. But hell....I have known women before my wife who confessed to me they'd hear about a rape on the news and later found themselves masturbating to a romanticized version of the account. Their fantasies did NOT include the beating and torture and death of the horrific act of violent rape itself. But the situation itself still gave them fuel for fantasy. Click to expand Rape fantasies that are written for the female reader always include the female POV. Some very good authors can credibly write an erotic male POV too. The major theme in all of these is that the man always has good intentions at heart, at least during the scene. He can see something in her that other men don't see, and that she doesn't like to admit to herself. By forcing her to acknowledge this side of herself, by accepting her kink unconditionally and sharing it fully, he becomes her sexual liberator. In stories, you get that context. You have the benefit of internal monologue. You get a build-up and a resolution. With porn, you don't get that context, and most of the time that's not what the pornographer intended. Max Hardcore has made a career out of putting women in their place in an unmistakably hateful manner. You don't get the impression that the girl secretly likes it. You only get the impression that he likes it. You certainly don't get the impression that he likes women as a gender at all. All too often, it seems the male rape fantasy is portrayed differently from the female fantasy The female fantasy is about mutual gratification through something that seems violent. The male fantasy is about expressing hatred and loathing of the female, both by the male and the woman herself. I think this is what makes people uncomfortable about "realistic" rape scenes. Some people are fully repulsed. Others are strangely fascinated and feel guilty about it. Others get turned on and can't figure out why. They don't really want to treat the women in their lives like that. And still others do hold a grudge toward certain women (their boss, their wife, their mom) and the rape scene serves as a healthy release of that resentment. Then there are the viewers that truly do hate all women, and think they're dirt. They may keep it to themselves most of the time, but some of them are the assholes at your wife's work that make lewd comments to her. Others are rapists themselves. I think what disturbs most people isn't the thought of the material itself, but imagining who is watching it, and why. The assumption is that all viewers are woman-haters, but that's too black-and-white for something as complex as human sexuality. Unfortunately the production of such material unnerves so many people that endangers the production of pornography as a whole. By pushing that envelope and fighting for realism, pornographers draw negative attention not only to themselves, but to all pornographers. I think producers of perceived misogynist material would do well to include documentary proof of the discussion that takes place prior to a scene, much as Kink.com does. It doesn't have to be included in the scene itself, but there should be an in-depth BTS on all movies in which consensuality could be called into question. It would do two things. It would provide legal back-up in the event of potential prosecution, and it would force pornographers to turn away female performers who are obviously being intimidated, coerced or otherwise exploited by themselves or suitcase pimps. Those who don't adopt that practice can be assumed to be dirtbags. But back to women's erotica, it's important to note that the rape fantasy scene always serves a purpose. It either: * Provides the female protagonist and the reader with straight-up physical gratification. * It gives the woman perspective on good vs. bad sex. * It enables the character to rule out sex she doesn't like. * It enables the character to discover what she truly does like. * It cements trust between characters. * It teaches a lesson of self-discovery. * It promotes a romantic relationship between two like-minded, like-kinked individuals. My porn-viewing isn't vast, but I've only seen a couple of directors that have explored this thoughtfully. One is Manuel Ferrara; the other is Mason. I saw Mason's scene in a compilation disc from Elegant Angel. Unfortunately, I can't remember the name of the girl, but I do recall that in it, she was hog-tied on her belly, only the strap extended around her neck to her feet. Before her was a movie screen depicting herself being gang-raped. She admitted to the camera that she liked to feel dirty, like a cum-bucket. The room is otherwise dark, and she's spotlighted from the camera. In comes Manuel Ferrara, dressed as a house-breaker, all in black, ski mask, etc. He proceeds to abuse her physically and verbally, at one point shoving her head under the edge of a carpet while he fucks her. In the end, he disappears (I don't remember if he stole her stuff), and she's left humiliated by obviously satisfied sexually. That was a rape fantasy played out perfectly. In Manuel Ferrara's Mind Fuck, there's a nifty little twist on the rape fantasy. It begins with Melissa Lauren running down a darkened road in the glare of headlights, bound, naked and terrified. She knocks on the door of the nearest house and is greeted by James Deen who's hanging out with his 3 or 4 buddies. She's hysterical and panicky as she tries to explain that she just escaped a guy that tried to rape her. Deen is compassionate and gives her refuge, telling his friends to bring a blanket and give her some space. He comforts her while she shivers and recounts the details of her near-assault. When the other guys leer at her, he tells them to back off. As she settles down, she turns to him for comfort and starts making out with him. He's visibly taken aback and pushes her away. Soon enough he succumbs to her neediness and gives her whatever she's looking for. The buddies hear this from the other room and come to watch, fascinated and turned on. Melissa is emboldened by these nice guys that holding back and not attempting to attack her, and invites them to join in. They each do their best to pleasure her, and she gratefully does the same in return. After the bizarre incident is over, Deen offers her a ride home, and she assures him she'll be fine on her own. He escorts her to the door, wraps the blanket tighter around her and gives her a gentle kiss, wishing her well. The POV changes to the glare of the car's headlights again, and Melissa runs out and hops into the passenger seat, at which point the driver (presumably the one from the beginning) says, "Did you like that, baby?" She says, "I did, did you?" Yes,he did. He says, "I love you, baby," and she smiles when she says he loves him too. The entire scenario was a voyeuristic set-up between committed lovers. That's the kind of context you rarely see in porn rape scenes. Edited by - pagoda on 4/20/2009 5:34:05 PM [Link]
Festus Member Don't let me stop ya. I just likes ta watch. Heh...heh...heh. 95 Posts 6/07	Posted - Apr 20 2009 : 6:25PM monkey power wrote: When it really gets disturbing is when the rape scenes pop up on the internet and the still photo of it shows military guys with a civilian woman and they appear to be possibly Yugoslavian or from some other region of the world where rapes were or are quite common...... in other words any or all of these "scenes" could potentially be real rape. So I steer the hell clear of it as a genre. Click to expand That completely disgusts me! BTW do you got a link for some of them nasty vids so I can be sure not to go to those sites? [Link]
Bob All-Star Member 5516 Posts 3/03	Posted - Apr 20 2009 : 6:49PM Pagoda wrote: He can see something in her that other men don't see, and that she doesn't like to admit to herself. By forcing her to acknowledge this side of herself, by accepting her kink unconditionally and sharing it fully, he becomes her sexual liberator. In stories, you get that context. Click to expand I think of this as "transformed consent". For me, like Pagoda, the process of transformation is what differentiates healthy rape fantasies from sick ones. [Link]