^ It's hard for us fans to rush to her defense. 1) None of us really know what's going on. 2) People sometimes believe what they want to believe. We all want to believe that she's in good health, but none of us want to think that she made this all up. So we don't know what is really going on, and we don't even know what we want to believe. In this complex web of ignorance and mixed-emotions, I put forth the possibility that the cancer may have caused some erratic behavior on her part. This allows me to believe what I want to believe: Namely that Raven will survive this, and that her claims that the cancer was very advanced and possibly terminal may not have been Raven speaking, but the tumor.
if you faked your illness raven alexis fuck you and I hope you fucking die! I have friends who have sent money to you! if you have stage 4 brain cancer, I hope you recover soon and get better. Thats all I have to say Edited by - Paralyzer on 2/19/2012 9:58:33 PM
Raven did an interview with Gene Ross at AdultFYI and denied that she faked her cancer. She says she has to cam to make ends meet for her family, and she still can't get around without using a walker. And she said she would even scrub toilets if she has to. [link removed: No tube sites] Edited by - scott levy on 2/20/2012 12:54:28 AM
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Posted - Feb 20 2012 : 2:22AM
"Unless I can do some kind of walker-fetish porn I can't exactly go on set," she says. ^I'm glad she's still able to carry a sense of humor in this stressful part of her life.
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Posted - Feb 20 2012 : 5:38AM
Indeed. She would probably be ruled out of anything by Elegant Angel because of the mandatory little 10 minutes of jiggling on high heels that is required at the start of every scene. However, the standard Vivid and DP gonzo stuff often just starts with the girl lying straight on the bed. From what I have seen on her Twitter and cam pics she still looks pretty ill to me. I can only gather that her initial diagnosis was not as serious as initially thought - although as stated above generally healthy living, positive thinking and alternative medicine can significantly extend a terminal patient's life (and certainly quality of life) if they avoid the heavy duty chemo treatment.
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Posted - Feb 21 2012 : 1:37AM
I have no clue of the rumors or Raven posts or history. Although Stage IV brain cancer is often deadly, they have come out with some chemotherapeutic and other medical/surgical anti-cancer advancements. I've seen these newer treatments (and even older treatments) work resulting in remissions first hand in reading-charts/reports and MRIs. It's still extremely grave, but not improbable. One red flag is the ex-boyfriend as the source of this assertion. It's gonna take me a lot more than a vindictive ex as evidence. That beings said, it's disturbing of the increasing # of cases of "patients" fraudulently ripping off generous people and orgs. Unfortunately, donors have to be somewhat careful. THe most important thing is that she is as healthy as she can be and hopefully is in remission or doesn't have cancer.
^This guy would have to be nuts to say she was faking cancer if she wasn't what does he have to gain?!!! He is either really delusional or this is really true. The fact that fellow actors like Taylor Stevens are not jumping to her defense makes her only look MORE guilty!! It is almost like they do not want to be associated with the fraud.
nobody wants to accuse anyone of faking cancer, it makes you feel gross and weird. but its not unheard of for women to go so far as to fake their own death as a way to exit adult. i say, leave her alone. either way, it's none of our business.
i agree. we dont know what happend, and whats her boyfriends or ex boyfriends deal is. but Raven if you are sick and is raising a child at the same time, I hope you have a swift recovery. god bless
just because someone bares their flesh in a porno doesn't mean you've seen their soul. i hope the best for everyone. from my minimal interaction with raven she seemed very sweet, so that is how i will think of her. the bottom line is that no person owes any explanation for their motivations, professional or personal. i think it is pretty unfair for people to put conditions on wether they choose to openly support raven. ie. "if she's faking cancer, fuck her" "if she's not faking, god speed for a full recovery" she doesn't owe anybody anything. saying all the "if, and, but, however, etc" is releasing a lot of negativity into the universe.
That's just nonsense. She does owe people something. She owes them the courtesy and respect of not lying to them about having stage 4 brain cancer. If that is indeed what she did. If she's genuine, I wish her the best, but those kind wishes are absolutely conditional that she's telling the truth.
I think she does owe people something. her fans, people who have supported her, I have friends who have sent her cash. her fans deserve something, an explanation. at least, if this turns out to be false. we fans loved her, and we still do. but we demand the truth
I wish her well either way. If she made this all up, it's quite unfortunate and she can expect no further support or sympathy from me, but I hope she can deal with whatever would compel someone to do that. If not, I hope she recovers and is in good health and fortune in the future.
I agree with the girl who provided my bar-none favorite double anal scene of the last year... (God Bless you Dana!) Either way Raven's got issues--be it cancer or something she's dealing with mentally--why would a struggle with some kind of mental or emotional issue be any less deserving of our sympathy than cancer? IF--and this is a big if--someone bought one of her knicknacks or something to help her, then I can understand being a bit ticked off. But get over it; if it's true that she made up the entire story then the internal struggle her mind is playing with herself over this is pretty awful. It's a horrible highwire act to maintain and it just kills you in the end. Cut her some slack and stop making pronouncements.
Ok I really want to drop this and bring it back to the main issue so this is my last point on this but are you guys fucking kidding me? Damn right we deserve an answer soliciting money for anything by deceit is fraud. Bottom line she deceived people by asking them donate (not that this isn't one of the best reasons ever to donate money it is still fraud if you are lied too. I feel like Amy and Seth "Really people Really? If she really is sick I beg a million pardons, however " why don't we leave the poor girl alone that STOLE my money and left town because she needs a private life" will NOT fly!!
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Posted - Feb 21 2012 : 10:39PM
According to a purported "intimate interview with Raven Alexis" back in October, she didn't have brain cancer. Instead,Assuming, for the sake of the discussion, that this was a real interview and that she really said this and that she was accurately relaying what she had been told by her physicians, what would your reaction be?
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Posted - Feb 22 2012 : 12:00PM
^ You would have to be a mass murderer to be done in the industry especially if you look like Raven Alexis.
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Posted - Feb 22 2012 : 4:27PM
Yeah I thought about it, the industry lets Amy Fisher work so Raven would probably be able to find work as well. But she'll probably be shunned by many of the people that sent her gifts/money.
So you were taken in by her and either bought something or donated to her? I definitely can understand your anger... If not, I would respectfully suggest moving on and focusing your energy on getting mad over stuff that happens directly to you. I'm sure the aggrieved parties appreciate your anger on their behalf, but I would definitely like to hear from them, firsthand, about their experiences and their feelings.
Apparently it's well known that Raven is a pathological liar, bordering on delusional. I think there is a lot of evidence--mounting by the day--that this was all a big fat lie. IF that is so, then that is one of the most pathetic things I've ever heard. I just read an interview with her from like a week ago where she insisted she's doing the webcamming and escorting because she is the sole provider for her kids and she is worried they will end up in a cardboard box. But I have also read that her ex husband actually has custody of the kids and she only gets visitation. More lies? I guess it was also a lie when she claimed she was admitted to Harvard Law School on the Howard Stern radio show? And when she claims she builds computers on her own...maybe that's a lie too? My hunch is a lot of the people she lied to, took advantage of, hurt, etc., will be coming out of the woodwork now...
^ So you believe she got into Harvard Law (you can find the Howard Stern show broadcast easily enough)? You believe she builds computers (plenty of interviews where she said that)? You believe she is the sole provider for her kids (she said it just a few days ago)? You believe she is a black belt? You believe she is a master ballerina? You believe she got into Julliard? You believe her cancer story even after all the holes in it that Mike South pointed out? I don't believe these things. At least, I think some of them are clearly lies. Some of them have been proven false--by communication with Harvard, for example. Some can easily be verified--just ask her ex-husband if he has custody of the kids or not. Some just sound too whacky to be true--master ballerina? I'm just saying, there have been people murmuring about this for a while--if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, lies like a duck...it's probably a duck. Now, if she does have cancer--then that is very sad. But, like the boy who cried wolf, if you lie a lot then you have to expect that people will grow suspicious of you, especially when the facts just don't add up...
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Posted - Feb 25 2012 : 9:48PM
I have no idea who these detractors are who say that frontal lobe tumors don't cause seizures, but it's extremely wrong. Also, the whole "Palliative Medicine" not sure why people think all patients know medical terms, but I can assure you many patients get mixed up and say wrong things all the time unknowingly. I'm not saying she does or doesn't have it cause I don't know anything about her or read anything on this. But these two points of the article is extremely wrong and questionable.
^ No one expects Raven or any lay person to be an expert in medical terminology. But I think she has actually gotten terms wrong a lot--like, more often than someone would who really suffers from cancer would. But regardless, that's just one small piece of the puzzle. The biggest piece is the simple fact that she actually seems to be getting a lot better suspiciously quickly. She went from being at death's door in late decemeber (big tumors in her brain, she couldn't even walk, she was losing motor skills, she was too weak even to tweet so her boyfriend tweeted for her, she was just hoping to survive to Christmas), to suddenly camming and planning an escort trip in New York as early as one month later. Really? That's as miraculous a recovery as I have ever heard of. The history of lying that people are starting to point out, the weird way she spoke about her disease, the ex seeming to claim that she made it all up--that's all just supporting evidence, as it were. The fact that she is so quick to explain her camming and escorting by saying she has to support her kids when, it seems, she doesn't even have primary custody of them, is also very suspicious. It boils down to this: EITHER she is making one of the most miraculous recoveries in the history of cancer, OR she is lying about something. If it's the former, then she really should be sharing her secret cure with everyone--I'd love to know exactly what this alkaline water was that she was drinking. If it's the latter, then she's a very troubled and honestly despicable girl.
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Posted - Feb 26 2012 : 12:10AM
^ I'm not dismissing that it's a possibility she is lying or isn't the case, there are many variables, facts, events and discussion we have no knowledge of and can only superficially speculate. I haven't read all the posts or even articles of her or about her. But I thought it was poposterous to use a ex's statements as evidence or supporting a theory. Although Stage IV cancer is extremely grave and bad, there are a significant number of patients who do survive 3 years, 5 years, >5 years after diagnosis. But the major variale is the brain cancer type. For example glioblastoma multiforme has very poor prognosis with typical short time. But 50-60% patients with Grade IV pineoblastoma survive at least 5 years. Saying someone has Stage IV brain cancer is extremely variable. Moreover, I worked on 2 new chemotherapeutic drugs a few years ago (one passed FDA approval), but one was for brain cancer. A lot of these chemotherapeutics, extend time/life and don't cause remission necessarily. A lot of the new anti-cancer drugs yield better results with lesser side effects. Maybe she did a trial? We don't know. Lastly, many patients (esp cancer patients) seek palliative medicine to improve quality of life and manage symptoms. So theoretically if she had effective palliative treatments, she would feel better and possibly more productive and feeling well. My whole argument is that we aren't privy to these facts, but from the limited things I've read, it doesn't sound improbable and even some parts are typical. For all we know she has a Grade IV pineoblastoma and underwent effective treatments that extended her life and undergone palliative care to improve her QoL and started to do some things while feeling a little better and tried to work. This is one feasible possibility. WE can't know though. But I don't know how you can prove she doesn't have it unless you have privileged info.
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Posted - Feb 26 2012 : 1:04AM
Not surprising. Stage IV cancer hallmark is metastasis (spreading thru lymph nodes to another organ site). So it's entirely feasible she could have had a primary malignant tumor in her liver that metastasized to a secondary tumor in her brain. Edited by - BYOB_Kenobi on 2/26/2012 1:07:01 AM
Thanks, BYOB Kenobi--you seem to have a pretty good command of some of the science, and that's helpful. But if I'm not mistaken, it seems that really all you're saying is that it's not "improbable" for someone with advanced cancer and brain tumors to survive for years, and that palliative treatments can sometimes help such a person feel better. I think that's certainly right. But would you say it's not improbable for someone whose motor skills have been impaired by brain tumors (falling down, unable to walk, etc.), and who is too weak even to type on a computer, to feel so much better less than 2 months later that she's ready to travel across the country to escort? I honestly don't know of any palliative treatments that are able to reverse motor skill impairment like that. Do you? And that's not a rhetorical question, I'm genuinely curious. Raven's tweets in December reiterated several times that she was having serious trouble with motor skills--until finally she was so weak and so close to death that she was unable to tweet at all, and Dirt Junior tweeted for her. And again, I think people's suspicion here stems not from any one thing--sure it's *possible* that she just feels a lot better now, even though less than 2 months ago she was unable to walk or type. But it's the combination of that (I think improbable) recovery with all the other things--her seeming history of lying, her ex saying she lied, the fact that she's saying she has to cam/escort otherwise her kids are going to be living in a cardboard box, when in fact her ex husband retains primary custody (if I understand the situation correctly)... It's not just one thing--it's a LOT of suspicious things.I don't know--have you read Dirt Junior's twitter remarks? He hardly seems like he's out to get her. There isn't any venom there, he's not raving or huffing and puffing. He actually has said rather little about Raven. But when some people asked him directly about her illness, he said she lied about it all. Now, if Dirt Junior is just flat out lying about that, then that is clearly actionable slander/libel. It seems strange for him to completely lie about something like that, and risk getting into serious trouble--especially considering that he doesn't really seem to be too upset with her in the first place. When I read his twitter feed I see someone who maybe regrets being duped, but not someone who is out to get even or anything. Do you read it differently? It seems that he kicked her out of his home, too--something like two weeks after she was supposedly too weak to stand, losing her motor skills, etc. What kind of twisted villain would he have to be to do that to someone dying of cancer? Again, the facts just don't add up. And at any rate, I certainly don't think it's "preposterous" to use Dirt Junior's remarks as evidence "supporting a theory." A court of law would certainly find such evidence to be perfectly admissible. Why can't we?I don't think any of this can possibly be called typical--again, she was too weak to stand or type, losing motor skills, barely hanging on, etc., and then 2 or 3 weeks later she's being kicked out of the house, camming, preparing an escort trip...I don't see how that's typical of any sort of treatment, palliative or otherwise.Yes, what you say is *possible*. But when you combine the unlikelihood of it WITH the ex's remarks, her history of lying, the fact that her ex husband has still not stepped forward to verify her cancer, that whole business of her posting a photo of her with no eyebrows a week after posting a photo of her WITH eyebrows (after people called her out on it)....I think when you consider all of it together, if you're NOT a little suspicious then you're not being reasonable...
I'm not technically directing this to you but in general if this ^^^ was the case then it would seem she would want to talk about how well her recovery has been going. I have been following her on twitter for 4 months or so and almost every single day there were tweets from her or her ex fiancee telling us EVERYTHING that has been going on with her health. She would tweet every treatment, surgery, how she was feeling, complications, etc... then as of recent (BEFORE the shit storm of this fake cancer came out) She just stopped answering questions about her health and never a mention of her condition or treatment. Don't you think if she was starting to feel better and was going through a certain miracle treatment that she would talk about it on her twitter? After all, she tweeted multiple times a day talking about her cancer before and now she is actually getting better and there is no talk from her about that? Yeah, ok.. Dayman, you definitely have it all right when it comes to putting all the suspicions together. I agree that the facts don't match up. It's not like it's ONE suspicion it's many and that's why her story is more than likely a fraud. For people that say, what has she benefitted from this? Well, when someone is sick it is natural for people to reach out and help any way they can with gifts, gift cards, money, etc. She ABSOLUTELY received a lot of gifts from people who wanted to do something nice for someone who was on her very last days, as she made it seem. It's sad to know that if Raven faked cancer then many people who gave to her might be detoured from ever donating again to people that actually do have cancer or another legitimate illness in.. fear of it being another fraud. The only thing that is kinda in Raven's favor is the whole dirtjunior comment about her faking the cancer. He was standing in and tweeting for her for a little while. He would tweet that she is having seizures and many other complications. It's very unusual that he witnesses these complications first hand and then makes a statement that she faked the cancer the whole time. Did she fake seizures in front of him? Did she fake going to the hospital or doctor appointments? Did he not go to the doctor or hospital at all with her during the entire 7-8 months that they knew that she has this cancer?? If she denied her fiancee to go with her to her appointments then that would have been a red flag immediately in the beginning for dirtjunior. In my opinion, these are one of the three scenarios that could have happened- 1) She denied him to go (or maybe he just didn't want to go, but that would be odd) with her to her cancer treatments the whole time and he finally realized the appointments for cancer was a sham once he insists on taking her (that or she straight up told him she doesn't have cancer). 2.) She was faking it and he was along for the ride. 3) He is just stirring up a big fat lie Number 3 is less likely from what we've seen. Bottom line is- -Either she is a despicable for lying -He is a despicable for lying -or...They are both despicable for lying together
Yeah, and not only did she stop talking about her treatments, etc., but in fact she went out of her way to DELETE almost every mention of cancer from her twitter account. As though trying to scrub the record clean. Suspicious. Another thing that was suspicious for me--actually it was the first thing that made me wonder if she was just faking the whole thing--was that at the exact same time Raven's hair was supposedly falling out from her chemo, she was also going out and getting TATTOOS! I asked a friend of mine who went through chemo if he could possibly have gotten a tattoo while going through chemo, he said no way. When my father was dying of cancer, I can say without doubt that a tattoo would not have been an option... So yeah, it's a whole list of things. Maybe we could compile a more or less complete list here: * Her ex indicated she lied about the whole thing. * She was tweeting that she was at death's door in December, losing her motor skills and falling down, eventually becoming too week even to type at the computer, then a few weeks later she is camming and planning to escort in NYC. * Even though she tweeted endlessly about her cancer and treatments and condition, and even went on the most popular radio show in the world for the express purpose of telling everyone about it, suddenly in January she stopped talking about it entirely and even deleted tweets mentioning her cancer. * She has neglected to go into any detail about the miracle treatment--palliative or otherwise--that has given her such a remarkable recovery. Other than a few cryptic remarks about alkaline heavy water, and receiving "good news" from her doctor. * Her fiance at the time, who seemingly loved her very much, supposedly kicked her out of the house just a few weeks after she was too weak to stand or type from the huge tumors in her brain. * She was getting tattoos at around the same time she was getting chemo, her hair had already fallen out, etc. * When asked how she was camming and escorting, she made the excuse that if she didn't her kids would be living in a cardboard box. In reality, her ex husband has primary custody of the kids. The only person would would be living in a box would be Raven (and even that's not likely--government programs are there to help cancer patients). * The toy drive she ran--the toys went to HER, and then SHE brought them to the hospital. In my experience, most people who run charity drives like that have the proceeds/donations just go directly to the hospital. * I know of at least one instance where she filed a completely false police report against someone that she didn't like, and she ended up having to change her story. * She has a history of egregious lies (e.g., she did NOT apply, much less get accepted, to Harvard Law, I can promise you that; I can also say with a high degree of certainty that she is not a black belt as she has readily claimed--I have seen her trying to do martial arts in some of her fetish videos, there's no way she's had any real training). * She clearly did receive donations, gifts, attention, sympathy, proceeds from her t-shirt sales, etc. She insists it all went to charity--but of course there is no proof of that either. * When asked to supply any documentation from any doctor indicating she has cancer, she refused. * She has been going around and contacting a lot of porn bloggers and asking them not to talk about the story. * Her ex-husband, and the father of one of her kids, who is a fetish video producer has remained mysteriously silent; you'd think that if the mother of his children was being accused of heinous fraud, he'd come forward and let people know the cancer was real. For the sake of the children if nothing else. Regarding Dirt Junior's silence--and also the silence of Raven's ex-husband--it does seem very odd. My hunch is that they both feel stupid and/or partially responsible, since they should have known better, or maybe even DID know on some level, but didn't do anything about it. I really wish Dirt Junior would just come out and say what he knows--it would clear a lot of this up, I bet.
Oh, I forgot: * She posted a photograph of herself with a shaved head, and then, 6 days later, after people started asking her why her eyebrows hadn't fallen out, she posted a photo of her with no eyebrows.
