Given some of the stories I've heard, I don't blame any woman for having a cold business attitude when she isn't performing for the camera, especially if she's dealing with ethically challenged producers/directors. Maybe if you watched her BTS from some other outfit you'd see a completely different attitude.

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I really, really don't want to see candid BTS anymore that most men want to watch there mothers get fucked...you know mum had to have sex to make you, but your really don't wanna see it or know about it.

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I even like when it's don during a scene, for example speaking in different languages when a crew member speaks Portuguese or Czech or whatever.
Talking about something the girl is interested in makes her feel loosed up and involved.
It creates a nice atmosphere, although its a bit awkward when someone comes around the corner to stifle her talk.

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Comstock Films:Real Life, Real People, Real Sex

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"No pornstars were harmed during the production of this stroke material."

Of course, some like the idea of watching people out of their depths, going psychologically down the drain. (Meatholes)

The popularity of BTS footage and interest in the performers' personalities and private lives seems to me like a natural part of gonzo porn.
A lot of viewers like the sex to have some sort of context.
With features, contexts were established when the performers played their characters. That is largely lost in gonzo.
In gonzo they are now playing themselves, or rather the public persona they are trying to attach to their stage name.

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I haven't been dissapointed in a girl yet, but I think I'm very sensitive to anything fake in general, a very critical entertainment junkie.

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In the road-trip series Sex Across America and Road Trixxx , the BTS is really just extra footage in the same vein as the main movie.

The reason I liked the BTS in gonzo, apart from the reasons in my previous post, was probably (it's been a while) because that was the only footage that seemed spontaneous and not so mechanical. I prefer my porn to be mixed with a little humour.

If the BTS shows a performer or director being obnoxious or an air-head, it could well make me avoid that person in future.
Why they sometimes leave that stuff in is beyond me.

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Generally speaking most of the people I've met in my life who have worked in the business here in the UK have been pretty repellent. Porn is rather like Mixed Martial Arts...it attracts a very specific kind of person who might not be the kind of person you would want to spend too much time with, easy to admire, very hard to like its extreme and very, very real. Porn is mentally and physically hard. I would rather that BTS didn't ram the point home.

99.9% of women would rather earn good money without having to take a cock in the ass, BTS only shows me that even the chicks who I like to imagine love the business, the best most talented, sexy performers don't really enjoy it.

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To me, porn is just another form of entertainment, and I get into my entertainment. I'm just interested by the process. I watch all the special features on mainstream Hollywood DVD's. I actually listen to the commentaries (the commentary on The Usual Suspects is one of the best ever), and I like to watch the making-of featurettes, etc. I know they're often made for marketing purposes, to air on movie channels prior to release to create buzz, and I still like them. I like watching music documentaries too, and I belong to online forums for some of my favorite authors. I just like seeing behind-the-scenes, even if it's not "real." I enjoy it, that's all. Nothing too deep about it.
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I'm with Pagoda on this one. I'm fascinated by 'making-of' materials on mainstream DVDs and can return to the movie itself without knowledge of camera tricks and sfx taking away from my enjoyment. Maybe it all depends on the viewer's capacity for suspending disbelief - porn movies are there to create fantasies, after all.

By the same token, I can appreciate Russell Crowe's performance in Gladiator, even if media reports suggest he is less likeable in real life than he is as Maximus. If a porn actress looks genuinely carried away with sexual enjoyment in a scene, why should it worry me that she's a cool-headed business-woman off set? More power to her for being able to throw herself into the scene and then detach herself afterwards. Please God I always take porn for what it is and never mistake it for real life...lol. We don't have to be jamesb23's 'gullible chumps'!

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For every Belladonna, there are a dozen Bella-don'twannas out there.

Alot of times it is an act. It's count your minutes and get a check. Sometimes I even feel the same way as a director because for every minute I shoot, I feel I spend twice as much doing paperwork, stills, setting things up, drinking beers, etc.

I always told myself I was going to have a good time on my sets. The minute it feels like I'm going through the motions or counting the minutes or it feels like a job, it's time to do something else.

It affects everybody sooner or later, especially if a girl's been on 200 scenes before yours.

Chico

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As far as girls with business-like attitudes go, I like to know that a girl will not allow herself to be cheated by possibly unscrupulous directors and producers. On the other hand, if she seems too interested in becoming rich, at the expense of enjoying the work itself, that's not really a turn-on for me.

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Its interesting that the Diabolic director say "Welcome to the real porno world. I consider that kind of BTS priceless because it shatters the fantasy, the illusion."

What???

All porn has going for it is the fantasy, the illision. It serves no other purpose. As much Chico might enjoy shattering the illusion because porn is his reality, I would question the wisdom of his delight.

If I want real, I'll go to a bukkake party.

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However, given the rest of what you said, I wonder why you even watch.

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It's kind of like those SciFi movies where you see the actual movie then see how those special effects were made in the BTS.

I don't think it destroys the fantasy per se; however, it does make an impact to know that these girls are absolute fuck dolls but also real people no matter how fucked up some of them are.

Isn't the real benefit of BTS to really get to know the girls as they really are?

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If all that porn has going for it, is the fantasy, why would I need it at all? I'm not brain dead yet and my imagination offers me tailor made fantasies, especially designed for me, no porn director can match.





CG_Gurl80 said:
“I do enjoy watching sports and teasing people. (The latter can be accomplished with much gusto when you have perky tits and a bodacious bottom.)”

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BTS has nothing to do with pornographers wanting to provide consumers with some insight into the workings of a porn set or the minds of the performers. it's a marketing tool, pure and simple. it's a way of telling the consumers, "we're giving you more for your money."

you guys remember VHS right? how many VHS titles included things like BTS footage, galleries, interviews, and that sort of stuff? you know why you rarely saw that kind of content on VHS programs? because VHS is a linear format: if you wanted to see that stuff you'd have to wait till the end of the flick or FF to it. DVD has no such limitations. The chapters are almost instantly accessible.

pornographers want to sell product and make money. they are not, as a rule, free-sex advocates and they don't have artistic agendas, social agendas, political agendas, or moral agendas they hope to impress on their fans and consumers. they could give a rat's ass about what you want to see or don't want to see except--and this is a BIG except--in terms of what will motivate you to part with your cash.

in a capitalistic society, what's wrong with that?

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I enjoy shooting my own BTS. Often times it's better than shooting the main scene. Often times it's the only time I get alone with the girls without meatpuppets present. Oh Lordy, imagine if I shot POVs. Especially when it's a new girl and I get to gauge what she's comfortable with or how far I can push her.

I'm not even sure if BTS footage makes any noticeable bearing on sales. I certainly don't buy movies because they have bonus footage, but it's always a nice bonus to have nonetheless. Unfortunately half of my movies has no bonus footage because there's no space for it. If it was my perfect world, I'd have dual disks: One with the movie, one specifically devoted to BTS. But then again, I started in this industry shooting BTS for Extreme and Anabolic as a webmaster.

I personally think that a 'real' account of BTS gives people insight on how videos are made and what the girls are all about. That to me is pretty fucking precious in the overall grand scheme of things. I'm sure alot of people will disagree but that's irrelevant to me. To each their own.

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However, JimmyD wrote something above that expresses a point of view often echoed in these forums, one with which I take issue generally:

Everyone wants to make money. In and of itself (in my opinion, anyway), there's nothing wrong with that.

Where the rubber meets the road, however, is the "in and of itself" part. In the world I live in, not all ways of making money are equally "good" (as I define and understand that term).

Someone who produces a careless, shoddy, boring sex video may (based upon, say, a great box cover and a good distribution channel) may make the same amount of money (or more) as another person who makes a blow-your-socks-off piece of porn. Is there anything "wrong" with that? Not exactly -- but it certainly isn't something to celebrate.

Undoubtedly some (most?) pornographers care only about the bucks, have no artistic ambition, uphold no standards of quality, show no concern for the health of welfare of the performers, and/or hold their customers in the most cynical kind of contempt. Is this "wrong" in a capitalist society? Well, it isn't against the law, but I wouldn't dream of calling it "good".

What we can do in a capitalist society is not the same thing as what we should do. Even the most rugged individualists among us recognize the supreme value of a little thing that I like to call "integrity".

Freedom allows people to make choices. However, all choices are not equally laudable. So let's not confuse the issues.

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A lot, or most, BTS is silly and routine. If Steve Holmes is shooting spontaneous sex with the makeup girl, then it's better than any of the rest of the DVD. If Isabel Ice is shooting skim milk out of her nostrils before fellating Brian Surewood in a blowup wading pool glazed in semen, or Alicia Alighatti gets baloney eaten off her ass by Chico's dog before Joel Lawrence penetrates it, it makes me think what fun gals these must be outside the confining and cliche-ridden world of most gonzo porn.

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chico-- i'm not saying its not fun to shoot BTS. and i'm not saying it can't be revealing. i'm saying that many porn companies routinely add BTS to their DVDs as bonus material and, because of that, many other porn companies are going to do the same as a means of being, in their minds, competitive. whether or not it actually effects sales, i have no idea and neither does anyone else in the jizz biz. but truth and reality aren't big commodities in the XXX biz while perceptions of truth and reality sometimes are. we aren't in an industry that relies much on market analysis. this is a distributor-driven business. it's all about what regional distributors want... at least in terms of the brick-and-mortar side of the business.

bob-- i'm also not saying that pornographers' desires to make money automatically means all of them will sacrifice quality for the sake of increasing sales. there are many in this business, like myself, who believe quality, i.e., production value, non-shoddy work, and attention to the content, drives increased sales. there are also many, again like myself, who conduct themselves in an appropriate, professional, and business-like manner when dealing with talent. while this may have no direct bearing on sales, i, for one, enjoy being able to sleep at night with a clear conscience.

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It reminds me of that old saying about seeing hot dogs being made...

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The main appeal for me in the gonzo genre is capturing the most authentic fuck scenes in the world of porn. I understand that there will always be some degree of theatricality in the business, but the cold business demeanor that jamesb23 is describing is certainly not what I want to see at all. BTS holds no value for me.

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I wasn't taking issue with you, JimmyD, so much as with one strain of rhetoric on this message board that takes the general form of "Hey, it's a free society, so everything is equally okay." -- a point of view that annoys the living crap out of me.

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