Remember all-girl with:

NO TOYS, DILDOS, VIBRATORS, and so on... and also,

don't forget the oral, or the kissing!

---BIGmike, over and out!---

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Although I have enjoyed some of Bianca's features in the past with Bruce Seven, sometimes they are too butch and repetitive. Too many of the scenes involved three or four butch type, medium attractive girls together at the same time with latex gloves on, gallons of lube, and agressively jamming as many dildos as possible in each other (usually 3 on 1).

I totally disagree with BigMike when he says no toys, dildos or vibrators but I agree there should be more kissing.

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Snowman

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Intimate Girl - Girl scenes are cool but if the girls ain't geting stuffed with toys then theres not much point in me wasting my cash on a potentially soft dvd.

The thing is, there are a lot of girl - girl dvds out there, but the thing that lets them down is poor directing, lighting and the camera constantly being in the wrong place (Decadent Diva series for example).

Red Light needs to offer something new and different from that which is already available, and for God sake have the girls keep some clothes ON during the sex scenes.

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Yes to Bionca directing.

Yes to toys (many and used hard).

Do it like Buttslammers (but NASTY!!!)

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Yes, I am in favour of including all the soft elements (eye contact, kissing, breast play, pussy licking, light fingering), but mainly as foreplay.

Yes, I want to see each scene move on to hard action: rimming and serious hole stretching using fingers (no gloves please) and toys.

Yes, have the girls keep some cloths on during the sex.

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have 4 girls,make a circle sitting down,legs spread,while each one usses a dildo on themself,while talking dirty to the girl oppisite of her(masterbation scence with a dildo.you can have a blonde,Brunette,Exsotic and RedHead in the mix.followed by some licking,kissing ramming ext.

The only thing I would say leave out is the strap on action and those loud a$$ vibrators that ruin the sound of the girls moans,juices and overall affect in the scene.

ala she squirts 7-8

do's - gloves-Dildo's(big ones too)rubber kind- baby oils-half clothed-boots-teddy tops-ect

don't - Strap on's-Loud Vibraters-Laughing-stupid non secene related talk

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Same here, but the thing with girl-girl films (scenes) is that toys become the focal point. Toys are great, but I don't need to see a dildo the size of a bat going up some girls ass or pussy for me to get off. I just want to see lots of kissing and lots of oral between two beautiful girls.

I have yet to see a girl-girl DVD that uses no toys, and just has oral.

---BIGmike, over and out!---

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Good suggestion about leaving some of the clothes on or gradually taking them off...cute outfits add a lot.

Real pussy licking, not that crap when you see a girl just barely licking a clit like she's afraid. Dive in ! heh good 69 too.

Kissing should be a major focus, it is seriously missing from the genre. Deep kisses, lots of tongue, eye contact, not putting on a show looking at the camera all of the time.
It's really hot to me to see 2 girls facing each other on their knees really making out and caressing each others breasts and fingering each other, maybe that's just me :)
The making out itself should be part of the scene and not just 2 minutes leading up to the rest. It should be a chapters worth on the dvd in my opinion. Kissing should also reappear throughout the rest of the scene as well.

I agree with Hardz that this needs to be something different from all of the other girl-girl movies out there. I also think he is dead right about the camera work and lighting screwing up potentially good films. There should be a balance of wide shots along with good close ups, but never anything that would interrupt the scene. Nothing pisses me off more to watch a girl about to dive right in to a pussy with her tongue and then the camera cuts to a shot of a boob or a wide shot of a plant. heh

Hardcore stuff like rimming is hot too, In general MORE ORAL EVERYTHING. No vibrators at all, if any toys have to be used dildos are better. Nothing is worse than watching a purple stationary buzzing tube just sit there on screen. And if a dildo has to be used, why not have them do something else at the same time like make out. That would please both camps right ?

Sweet talk and dirty talk are cool depending on what the mood is for the scene. The sounds of the oral are important too.

Well, that's my rant for now. It's really great to know that your opinion is being asked and your voice is being heard from a studio. Thanks David for doing this.

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I can't tell you how pleased I am to hear that you are moving forward with this project. I don't know anything about Bionca, but I will try to learn something about her. If, as snowman suggests, she is a Buttslammers/Everybody Wants Some kind of director, then I am not sure she is what I personally am looking for.

Speaking of personal opinions, I see that many people here have posted theirs. I would love to see RLD take this opportunity to do something really different that pushes the limits of eroticism through chemistry rather than through circus acts. It would be a real shame to have this turn into just another strap-on pumping, dildo-sucking piece of tripe. Take a look at Blondie's thread in "Polls" about changing GG scenes, and you will see that there are many of us who strongly feel that lesbian sex is a different animal than straight sex and thus needs to be treated differently. I would even go so far as to say that in general terms a large number of BOTH male and femal porn fans agree on this.

I'm not going to go into the details, you can read my manifesto on the "Polls" thread mentioned above. The general keys are attractive girls, mutually enjoyable sex, kissing, foreplay, oral, fingers. I personally don't like toys, but I don't think that is the real deal killer here for either party. I could live with a plug or dildo slowly and tantalizingly inserted in a beautiful girl's ass by another beautiful girl (who couldn't?). What I don't want is some sort of lubed-up pork fest with one (or a dozen) girl(s) reaming another girl who is screaming like a stuck pig on acid and looking like her implants are about to burst through her chest like a bad x-rated version of Alien. Fuck, you can get that on a leisure time compilation.

BEFORE YOU ALL FLAME ME-- I like some of this harder stuff. I like Flesh Hunter and Ass Worship, and I can't wait to get my hands on Straight to the A and Just Over Eighteen 1/2. But when it comes to the G/G scenes, I and many others are looking for something different. And "no toys" does NOT automatically mean "soft core".

mp

P.S. I agree with the cute outfits and leave some clothes on thing.

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I don't get the strap-on thing, no offense or anything, is it just me ? I think i've seen a 3 girl dildo DP in one of the Metro Airtight movies, I can't remember though as it didn't really interest me. Don't they do that kind of stuff in the Violation of ... series ?
Just because there may not be hardcore strapon sex in a girl-girl movie doesn't mean it's only interesting to a couples type crowd though, IMO. If there was a 3 girl scene, I would rather see more oral between the girls than a plastic party. For instance, one girl going down while the other one rims the same girl...I don't think that would be so appealing to the couples crowd.

Once again I will re-state the demand for KISSING. hehe

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I'm glad to hear that RLD are making a G-G series. I enjoyed Straight to the A 1 a lot and the theme of no vaginal sex at all was a great idea and nice to see consistently carried out.

A unique selling point for the new series could be "NO TOYS"

Just watch Hot Showers 2 (no toys) and then watch any of the millions of mainstream girl-girl videos with toys and see which is the better. It's true to say that girl-girl scenes are a completely different thing than boy-girl scenes and shouldn't be shot the same way. This is from someone who enjoys "raincoater" type boy-girl stuff.

The appeal of two girls together is seeing the heat and passion between two hot chicks together. You want to see deep kissing, 69s sweaty embraces tit to tit, good enthusiastic oral, girls who like being with other girls. Obviously cute girls. Shaved pussies are a personal favourite.

All the toys are just props that drain the heat from a scene and help to emphasise the distance between the two performers (and that's another thing, 3somes don't really work in g-g porn, there's just too much to be able to focus on)

And please don't use strapons, that is a huge turnoff, don't be swayed by people who ask for strapons and loads of toys, they prefer boy-girl dvds and won't buy/rent the g-g stuff anyway.

Check out lezlovevideo.com for a good guide to what girl-girl porn fans really like

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lezlovevideo.com is a great place to check out. Another thing to notice about that site is the fact that some of their dvds sell for $39-49, as well as VHS tapes for the same price. I would assume that this is because of smaller studios. If people are willing to pay close to $40 for a VHS tape that should give you a pretty good idea how desperate people are for quality g-g action. And those same folks are the ones that write the anti-toy reviews. Check out their reviews.

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I would like to see a good mixture of ideas some 2 girl action some group scenes. The only problem with group scenes is that most of them flick between girls to fast, it's difficult to follow the action. I think starting with clothes on is a great idea (mention earlier). I think some pussy lickin up skirt would be great before taking the clothes off. I would like to see plenty of oral and while the action is going on some hair pulling wouldn't go a miss. Most women just lay back and grown, I would like to her more involved, grabing the head and hair etc. I watched your cum drippers 2 and liked the vocal interation the girls sounded like they really wanted it. I would also like to see a strapon anal scene and some scenes with toys.

I think it's great the your asking the audience what the want, can't wait to see what you come up with.

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There is something I just checked out that i thought was interesting: According to Adult Dvd Empire, Hot Showers 2 (a non-toy movie) is #1 on the girl-girl seller list and Hot Showers 3 (the toys return), is nowhere on the top ten.

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Amen to that! Although with 2 hours to fill, I think some toys would add some interest and make everyone happy - IF they are used as they should be, which is rare to see. I love toys.. but to me, this dildo jamming on each other is just uninteresting and distancing. Slow it down, capture the penetration, keep the noise level down, and slowly build to an orgasm. More sensual body rubbing, tribadism (thank you, Gabriel!)

"And please don't use strapons, that is a huge turnoff, don't be swayed by people who ask for strapons and loads of toys, they prefer boy-girl dvds and won't buy/rent the g-g stuff anyway. "

Most strap-ons look ridiculous, and are used doggy style by girls who have no idea how to fuck. You might as well glue a dildo onto a board.

How about a more realistic looking one that's held in place by straps hidden underneath a garter belt? Picture a beautiful woman with a bustier, stockings and high heels that also has a big cock between her legs. Just...think about it.

Of course, whoever directs this will do what they want. As you can see there are a lot of strong opinions on the subject, so thanks for asking, David.

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I've seen a few true lesbian porn movie on VHS and believe me they are 100% more exciting than pseudo "bisexual" girls faking lesbian sex, which is what the porn viewing public viewing gets 99.99% of the time

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Call me crazy, but if you have girls dp-ing each other with strap-ons like mad cows, what exactly differentiates it from a hardcore b-g or b-g-g or b-b-g or even bbbbbbbb-g flick? Again, I like some of that stuff, but when I'm looking for all girl love I'm looking for something entirely different, and I don't think I am alone. Also, a scene can be very hot and hardcore without toys, as fmcgie and Blondie pointed out above they are usually used as crutches to mask the true lack of passion in a lesbo scene.

Maybe there is room here for two lesbo lines, such as a "softer" (again I maintain that lack of strap-on daps does not automatically imply soft core) line and a "harder" line featuring large-diameter dildos, strap-ons, DAPs and even some sub-dom.

Or you could do one main line with sub-lines:

"Girl-on-Girl: Britney's First Time" and "Girl-on-Girl: College Roommates" and "Girl-on-Girl: The Artist's Assistant"

versus

"Girl-on-Girl: Anal Domination" and "Girl-on-Girl: DARs do DAPs" and "Girl-on-Girl: Double Stuff My Oreo"

Perhaps this would keep everyone happy and allow you to release a variety of material that presumably would sell across the wide spectrum of the porn audience.

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I'm also a fan of g-g stuff. But the fact is I don't buy g-g DVDs. Why is this? Pardon my French, but it's because they're all the fucking same. And not in a good way.

What I like to see in a g-g vid is DIFFERENT to what I want to see in a non g-g vid. If I want to see DPs I already have a huge choice of starlets getting shagged by 2 guys.

If I want to see semi-attractive women shoving ugly looking sex toys into one another with no hint of passion, and sucking on dildoes the market's overflowing with them. Have the viewers ever tasted a dildo? How hot does licking a latex or plastic knob get you? euggh.

If I want to see beautiful women, having sex with more beautiful women, with lots of kissing (both "real" kissing as well as tongue swordplay), kissing and licking of nipples, and real g-g sex, I have no options. As it happens, that is what I want to see, but no-one makes it..

I don't mind OCCASIONAL sex toys. Specifically the "jelly" type as opposed to the cheap and ugly looking "skin" and white plastic coloured things. Ones with wires attatched are a definate no-no.

I agree with what snowman872 said about many of Bionca's vids. It's the same old same old throw it on the pile and forget it kind of stuff. It's been done so many times it may as well be another Ron Jeremy scene in a cheap Metro dvd with Mike Quasar sweating under Ron's hairy nuts.

to address some things people have said, from my own perspective of course:

Hardz sez:

There's a lot of other good suggestions in this thread, some I agree with and some I don't, though I just thought of this:

Alternately, do one g-g dvd of each "type". One "hard" with the multi dildoes, dildo sucking and whatnot, one "softer" one without the dildoes (or few of them). Make them distinctive from one another so people who buy one will be able to tell them apart. See which sells better and go with that..

I agree with using better looking performers and the euro-girls, 2nd or 3rd-tier average looking girls will kill either title. The same old g-g feature crew of girls will also do nothing to differentiate your product from the rest of what's out there..

cheers,

scipio

ps - just wrote what magnuspym had to say, and I agree with it. In a way it makes much of my own post redundant, but I'll post it inasmuch to add my voice in support.

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This is not to say that there shouldn't be more, and better, kissing *where appropriate*. I also don't like dildos, like a lot of other people, but the real thing to do is to avoid letting them take over the scene.

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on a personal preference note, i love girls deep kissing slowly. hands going inside knickers are always very erotic. and deep long sloppy pussy eating.

you have your orders RDL. don't let us down, and good luck old bean. best of british to you all, i only wish that this old duffer with his dickey heart and knackerd knees could join you for the final push.

Trampampampoline

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