I was wondering what are some sects of Islam and Christianity that allow porn/masturbation? I was raised in a Reform Jewish synagogue and my Rabbi never encouraged masturbation but he did emphasize that it certainly wasn't sinful. I heard Quakers don't have a problem with porn/masturbation. [mod edit: this has nothing whatsoever to do with The Porn Pool. The best place I can find for this dreck is Sex Talk, so I'm moving it there. Plus, I don't want to deal with it. Sorry Sex Talk mod.] Topic Moved by - killbillvol69 on Sep 7 2010
well, there are some orthodox muslims who, of course, have a problem with pretty much everything. you know, typical religious zealots who think religion should be followed in the most conservative way. to my knowledge, there aren't any denominations of Islam that explicitly allow porn, but i know there are some that are not against it. and you know what they say: if it's not prohibited, it's allowed. :-)
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Perverted_Jewish_Guy Deactivated User
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Posted - Sep 7 2010 : 2:13PM
It's Quaker lol aka the Society of Friends. It's a pretty progressive Christian movement but from what I hear, Quakers debate each other on whether they really are a Christian religion. Some Quakers don't consider themselves Christian. Some do. Ultimately, they all agree with most of the moral teachings of Jesus but not all of them believe in G-d.
I beg to differ. But this is not the place for a religion debate so I'll bail out. Addition: I said what I said because I find it pretty weird that you're trying to pick a religion based on whether they allow porn or not. Then why not go with 'no religion whatsoever'? Edited by - robocop on 9/7/2010 4:30:05 PM
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Posted - Sep 7 2010 : 4:27PM
Unless you have a lot of knowledge of every religion in the world then you best stay quiet and not be an idiot. Stop generalizing all religions as one. We all have different beliefs.
The porn-watching population is larger than the religious population. I expect Catholics would embrace porn first, since they already have gambling and booze and the priests are more aggressive in chasing a buck. Edited by - charn on 9/7/2010 4:33:33 PM
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Posted - Sep 7 2010 : 4:35PM
Haha I have a Catholic friend who seems pretty religious. The thing is, he's more perverted than me which I didn't think was possible. You should see his massive porn collection.
All religions have one thing in common: the belief in god. That's idiotic all by itself. But why are you trying to pick a religion based on their view of porn? Isn't that a very narrow way of looking at a religion?
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Posted - Sep 7 2010 : 4:40PM
Thanks for proving that you're already stupid. First of all, not all religions believe in a god or gods. Second, even if that would be true, that wouldn't be idiotic in itself. What makes you think there absolutely wasn't a chance that a creator intelligently designed the universe? Take for instance my synagogue. We're not required to believe in G-d. However, the main point is that we should follow Jewish tradition and morals. Is there really something idiotic about that? Also, you have trouble reading. Where did I say I was looking for a religion? I'm just curious about what other religions there are that don't have a problem with porn. I was born and raised as a Jew. I like my religion and I have no desire to follow another religion. Edited by - Perverted_Jewish_Guy on 9/7/2010 4:44:45 PM
That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence :)Yes? Edited by - Power Stranger on 9/7/2010 4:42:27 PM
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Posted - Sep 7 2010 : 4:47PM
Oy vey! I guess I'll tell my Rabbi that someone from the ADT forum says we're idiots for following morals such as being kind to humanity, not stealing, or murdering. I'll also tell him that apparently Jewish tradition is idiotic because an antisemite like you seems to think it's dumb for Jews to have a culture.
I don't see why those are particularly Jewish morals, or why you need a rabbi (or anyone) to tell you to be moral. My objection is not to the customs, silly as they may often be, but to the mindless appeal to authority. I'll thank you not to call me an antisemite.
Name-calling. Nice. The feeling is mutual.Agreed, but the major western ones (Christianity, Judaism, Islam) do.Piles stacked onto piles of scientific evidence that suggest there is no need for a god to explain the world around us.Tradition and morals are not idiotic in itself. Only, your "Jewish" morals aren't really Jewish but cultural. Most religions somewhat share the same morals, and even atheists do.Okay, my bad. I misunderstood.
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Posted - Sep 7 2010 : 4:59PM
Well I certainly hope you're not an antisemite. The last one that was on here got banned after I emailed the mods. :-) Jewish morals go much deeper than that. I was just making a point. As far as having an authority goes, I already told you that my synagogue doesn't say we should believe in G-d. Judaism stresses that actions are more important than faith. It's true that there is no scientific empirical evidence for the existence of G-d but that certainly doesn't mean He doesn't exist. Afterall, it's called faith.
Edited by - Perverted_Jewish_Guy on 9/7/2010 5:04:02 PM
Any discussion of religion and porn in the same thread usually just makes me feel constipated. On the other hand, any discussion of religion at all makes me feel constipated.
Maybe refrain from throwing accusations around?I really have no idea what this means. Are you saying that Jewish people are fundamentally more moral than other people, or that you can only properly be moral if you are Jewish? I know that my local reform synagogue says both those statements are explicitly false.Do you believe that you would suddenly be deeply immoral and steal and murder if not for God (or your synagogue) judging you? Why do you need an authority other than yourself to be moral?Well there's a large class of things in that category, including, say, the Egyptian gods, the tooth fairy, or a teapot orbiting the Sun at a distance too large to be detected. In fact, I find the latter rather more probable than a god existing.
Really, I'm just having fun with this thread because it has nothing to do with the topic of this forum and should probably have been posted in Sex Talk, or preferably not at all.
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Posted - Sep 7 2010 : 5:25PM
*sigh* Moral views are subjective. I never said Jewish morals are the best or any nonsense like that. However, we do have our morals and I ask you to please respect them instead of saying they're idiotic. You seem to have a problem with defining authority. I do not view my synagogue as an authority or something that judges me. My community is pretty open-minded and we have all sorts of people over there such as homosexuals, anarcho-communists, etc. We are not forced to follow Jewish law and we in fact have many debates over there about things like abortion and how Jewish morals should apply to them.
Power Stranger never said the word idiot, I did. And I did that because you called me ignorant and an idiot. I also never said anything bad about your morals, except that they are not inherently Jewish. Anyway, I'm willing to nuance my standpoint: from my atheist point of view I can never understand how anyone can believe in a god. I never intended to start a whole religion debate, but I probably should have known better. I made my remark because in every thread you seem to bring religion in and I'd like to enjoy my porn without religion. Thank you very much.
I am reluctant to play the troll card, since I am so frequently called a troll, but there are definitely some trolls in this thread. Which ones are the trolls? That's like deciding which guy started a barfight. Maybe the bar owner started it by opening the door, or maybe the guy who invented beer. IBTL. I think robocop made the first low blow, but I'm just a bystander. The refs will confer, watch the video replay, and issue a ruling after this commercial break. Edited by - charn on 9/7/2010 7:20:59 PM
Back to the original question. I know that the Lutheran Church claims that the Bible as well as the teachings of Jesus are silent on the matter of masturbation and in itself is to be considered a natural part of the life process. As far as porn goes, I believe that they would say that porn, standing alone, would not be contrary to church doctrine as long as it doesn't depict other acts that are i.e. murder, etc. And Perverted Jewish Guy is right. Most of us are only familiar with the more popular western religions but fewer than half of the world's religions espouse the existance of a supreme being.
Well an average joe moderate Muslim as per the teachings of religion gets married early and has no need for porn. 25 for a man is considered over age in many Islamic societies around the world. Masturbation is restricted in Islam and falls in the necessary evil category..spanks it once in a while if you need too..but shouldn't become a habbit..in any event getting married early is always recommended.
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Posted - Sep 15 2010 : 1:52PM
Since you brought it up, some of us think that, in fact, they do. The commonality of all religion (I include atheism) is faith, i.e. the presumption that something is so in the absense of any real proof that it is. About anything else in existence, we would call such a presumption, at best, superstition. In Law, assuming facts not in evidence is prohibited. In Science, in the workplace, in nearly all other human endeavor, we accept nothing short of observable, replicable, logical demonstration of any precept we are asked to accept as a fact. Science, in particular, is founded on Doubt and human progress has always begun by questioning even what is accepted as truth. Religion, on the other hand, never questions, never doubts, and insulates itself against reason and sanity with some version of Jesus' answer to Pilate, "My Kingdom is not of this world" Any person in any other situation that would thus place himself beyond logic, reason, empathy, and humanity would be deemed a dangerous fool and the very definition of stupid. Religion has been,is, and sadly will continue being responsible for a hefty majority of man's stupidity, atrocity, and failure to progress.
Unfortunately, there is a great deal more to blame for, "...man's stupidity, atrocities and failure to progress" than solely religion not limited to ignoring some of the very irrefutable facts that you mention that are supported by proof, greed and ambition.
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