Guy, I’m just curious – The Ashley Blue/ Tony Tedeschi scene, is it revealed that they are husband and wife only at the end, or at the beginning? Context can make a lot of difference.
You mentioned ‘The Accused’, and your dissatisfaction that you can’t show penetration in an abduction scene, but this movie could show a gang rape, though without the explicit penetration. Go and rent the movie, and you can see for yourself how they handle the rape scene (I wrote about this in another thread a while back). It is actually pretty explicit for an R-rated movie, with some partial male and female nudity, and a good deal of violence. But, the actual rape itself lasts only 7 minutes (I timed it when it was on a cable movie channel a few weeks ago), out of a 110 minute film. It’s only shown in the last 15 minutes of the film; before that the story is about the victim and her injuries, the legal difficulties with the case, the plea bargaining, the responsibilities of the on-lookers, etc. All this works to show that this is a crime, not the portrayal of a sex act that got out of hand. Jody Foster sure deserved the Oscar she got, too.
As for rape fantasies, I bet there are men out there who fantasize about a woman taking them forcefully with a strap-on – and I have no doubt there are women out there who have the converse fantasy. But would any of the studios out in San Fernando consider filming such a scenario, with the man suitably bound up? Though maybe this has already been done, someone tell me if I am misinformed.
I myself like seeing female on male penetration scenes, but only if it’s clear that everything is consensual, and that the man isn’t being forced to do something that he is uncomfortable with. I definitely don’t want to see anything that looks like rape.
Renee...Thanks for the verbal volley...I appreciate your well presented and articulate commentary.
First...Ashley and Tony reveal their marital status after the abduction scene has played itself out. If I read you corretly, you are implying that perhaps the scene would have been more palatable if the viewer was privy to this fact going into the scene. Hmmmmm...(chin scratch)I'dunno...I still like the 'grab factor' that witnessing the act unfold first has. It gives the piece more of an edge, and adds the element of relief and redemption by having a conclusion with a loving twist. Just my own opinion...
THE ACCUSED: I hear ya' in regards to the amount of time committed to the visual display of the sex act...that's what kept it at a theatre-worthy 'R' rating. But by becoming a pornographer I have sacrificed any chance of ever seeing my work play to a public audience...In return, I believe I should have the right to address any subject matter, in any fashion I see fit, as long as consensual actors were used to portray scripted characters for a theatrical film. I'm not calling the producers of THE ACCUSED smut peddlers by any means, but if they could have shown 9 minutes of rape instead of 7, I bet they would have. If they could have shown more graphic material instead of less, I bet they would have. And it saddens me to think that the film would have been considered any less of an acheivement, or any less brilliant, just because of the harsh delivery of this most abrasive subject. It insinuates that the viewing audience is not capable or intelligent enough to decipher their own interpretation of what they saw. It has to be controlled so that you only see what the AMPA wants you to see, in the manner that they want you to see it. Conversely, a subject matter like the insidiously ignorant and illegal practice of street racing is allowed to have multiple full length feature films dedicated to it, with ruthless disregard to the effects that the big screen appearance of this overtly glorified practice will have on America's youth. The chances of someone seeing the abduction scene in GUNK and then going out and actually raping someone...1 in a countless number of cases. The chances of me having to worry about some asshole kid in suped-up Civic hitting me head on somewhere in the Valley...100%. In fact, the opening night of 2FAST2FURIOUS took the lives of 2 innocent people here in LA. So what's the harm in having Ashley Blue being abducted by Tony Tedeschi again?
As for reverse rape scenarios...A fantasy for many, I presumably agree...Portraying it in a convincing fashion, and in a manner that closely mimics real life, (I scratch my chin again)...Perhaps it's because I have no experience with the act, nor do I share in such fantasies, but I am stumped by how to set it up convincingly. Most men have a physical advantage to fend from being ass raped by a porn star...But given the right suggestions / fantasies about how the scenario would work, sure...why not...I'll shoot whatever people like as long as I have the ability to produce it in a convincing, theatrical, and professional manner, without using minors or animals. But it sure helps if it is also a subject that makes my dick hard.
Which leads me to my wrap up...For those of you who don't know me or anything about me, please do not assume I shoot for shock factor and female degredation value alone. Those are just two of the millions of facets of human sexuality...two that happen to make for great film...powerful stuff that keeps you watching because an emotional response has immediately been triggered. It's why Stephen King always victimizes kids and pets and all things fuzzy and soft. Redemption will surely follow the tragedy...and your emotional investment in witnessing the scenario demands seeing the redemption...gotta' keep 'em watchin'...that's my goal...I want you watching, whether you're jerking off or not.
Thanks again... guy capo
PS: Skronker, I hope the Green Fairy brings forth more of your praise and approval. I'm not sure why you said I 'rock', but if that's what Absinthe does to a person, the next round for everyone is on me!
"But by becoming a pornographer I have sacrificed any chance of ever seeing any of my work play to a public audience"--- Guy Capo
Well not being able to copy and paste with my webtv unit I had to write and transpose this quote.
Guy Capo, if for one second you don't see viewers of adult films as a public audience you are misinformed. You should not "label" yourself as a "pornographer."
I am white but that still makes me human is the message I get when a person labels themself. For those of you that read too much into my statement let me redirect in the same context.
I film erotic concepts but I'm still an artist.
In short Guy Capo you did not sacrifice anything, you chose a route that is traveled by few and I wish you luck on your journey.
Eagle, to claim that I am a pornographer is not to say I am any less of an artist, and I certainly consider our fans to be a "public audience"...but there will never be a public gathering to view my work, like mainstream films. We have only a 'private' viewing audience, because our material is deemed unacceptable for "public" display. That's all I was trying to say...I was not inferring that labeling myself as a pornographer was a bad thing at all. I'm very proud to be part of the industry and contributing to the timeless art of erotica. Thank you for the best wishes and same to you, my friend. - guy capo
Say Guy, thanks for your reply to my post. You're right about the producers of 'The Accused' having to be careful with what they could show, to keep within an R-rating (I don't think they had NC-17 back then, but even if they did, it would have hurt the sales). The point I was trying to make is that even though the rape scene is only 7 minutes, it's so powerful that it seems a lot longer. They didn't need to go for anything more; the 7 minutes makes a plenty strong impression on the viewers, as it is. Watching it on a TV was hard enough; but in a theater it would have been even more shocking. In the end, I would say that the producers and directors did a good job of balancing what they could show, while still telling a compelling story that didn't just go for shock value, or victim sympathy.
Asmodeus, you mentioned about people seeing the rape, and getting off on it, even though it is fake. I don't doubt that that does happen. What makes the film unique is that it is based on a real rape case, that happened in New Bedford, Mass. in 1983. I think that's why the movie makes such a strong impression, because it was well known when it came out that it was based on the case (though probably less known now). You can read a short summary of the case at: http://www.masslaw.com/mlw30/case4.cfm.
What also added to the film's impact at the time was Kelly McGillis, who starred as the prosecuting attorney in the film, admitting on the CBS Morning News show (during the publicity tour for the film) that she had been raped by a stranger in her apartment in New York when she was younger. This was live, so the producers couldn't edit it out, and I remember watching it; you could have heard a pin drop on the set. They quickly cut to a commercial, but it left an impression all the same.
Guy, back to the reverse rape scenario, well my twisted imagination can come up with having 3 or 4 women tying a man down, then doing what they want with him, over his protests. Someone could call it "Male Anal Virgins get Reamed by Strap-On Bitches" or something like that. (I hope I am not giving anyone any ideas, by the way ). To tell you the truth, just thinking about this makes me cringe .
I posted too soon above, and have since found I don't have to use my twisted imagination to imagine a reverse rape scenario, anymore. I just watched a documentary on the Sundance Channel, called 'The Cucumber Incident', and I'm sad to say its about 3 women who attack a son-in-law, who they thought was re-molesting a 6 year old step-daughter. This happened in Delaware, Ohio in Dec. 1999.
He had been convicted of child abuse, and served 16 months in jail, but was allowed to return to the family home. He may or may not have started remolesting the child again; the children protective services couldn't find any evidence. So the women decided to take the law into their own hands.
The heaviest woman sat in the man's lap while he was in a chair, and they got him bound up with duct tape and bungee cords. They cut off his clothes (I hate to describe this, but here goes), shaved off his pubic hair, and put Bengay on his genitals. Next, they took a cucumber, and repeatedly analed him with it, even though he was screaming in pain. They stopped after a few minutes, put him in their car, and drove him 30 miles away.
The women were arrested within 1 hour, and were shocked to find themselves charged with kidnapping and rape. To make a long story short, they pled guilty to lesser sex offenses, and served sentences of 4 months to 2 years. They are now listed as convicted sex offenders, and can't leave the state of Ohio (I'm glad I live in NJ).
What shocked me watching this was that the ringleader was a church-going woman. She and the others still don't see anything wrong with what they did. All I can say, this whole thing just makes me sick to my stomach.
You can't write that shit!! The brutal truth, my friends, is far more atrocious than any fiction, and certainly more appauling than Ashley Blue being abducted by Tony Tedeschi in a fake rape scene.
My curiosity got the best of me, and I checked on the Internet for the Sex Offenders Registry for Delaware County, Ohio. And sure enough, two of the women are listed there, for rape. It serves them right.
Oh no , this was what I was afraid of when I made the above posts - that a noted pornographer might start getting ideas about a film he could make from this story.
Mr. Byron, if you ever put together such a masterpiece, don't credit me with fueling your imagination; I'm just reporting the facts. (I'm half-laughing as I write this .)
In all fairness, they did use a lubricant on the cucumber. If anyone is interested, I have gratuitous screenshots of the whole ugly incident posted here.
Warning: Due to the graphic nature and further derailment of this thread, it is strongly recommended that anyone wishing to make a meaningful contribution to the topic of American Gunk skip this post.
Three women! Hold me down and ass fuck me with a cucumber while I scream and swear and spit and egg them on! "You think you can do it, huh? You think you can fuck me with that little green wimp limpy? Show me what you can do!" Hot, hot, hot! "Ride the other end of that cucumber, that's it!" Grind, thrash, scream. "Feed me!" They try to throat gag me with the used cucumber. I rip it apart with my teeth and spit it in their faces.
The grocery store encounter at the produce section in Linda Jaivin's book Eat Me leaves her pulping fruit in her pussy after she's cuked the clerks ass.
And that folks, is the difference between hot fantasy and brutal reality. Soooo, if forced entry isn't your cup of tea, it might just be someone else's.
(Some people I know think a little strap-on fun is too kinky.)
In a completely unrelated way, that was actually a pretty relevant posting, Hammer...
If I can deviate from the Ronko Salad Shooter infomercial we have going on, I'd like to direct everyone to a simple poll (in the POLLS section, obviously). Take two minutes to answer two simple questions. No elaborations, please. I don't care if this thread gets sidetracked with commentary...I enjoy the fact that everyone likes to trade chuckles on my threads. But the poll will be used as sort of a guide for me, and I'd like to be able to look at just the simple answers.
I thank you all agian for your acceptance of AMERCIAN GUNK, and I look forward to delivering more cutting edge and ever improving erotica for everyone to enjoy. - graciously, guy capo
