Riley just announced on Twitter that IR is happening!!!!! This is going to be one of the hottest IR scenes ever. Can't freaking wait. There is a god lol. Wonder who she is shot with? Blacked or Jules? At this point I don't think anybody cares.
Edited by - ohio is for lovers on 5/2/2019 1:02:14 PM
[mod edit: comment/link removed. From the ADT forum etiquette: "No topics about prostitution or escorts. Due to the passage of FOSTA/SESTA Adult DVD Talk cannot allow any topics, private messages, posts or Tweets that promote or facilitate the prostitution of another person. This means you can't talk about which porn stars might be escorts and where you can find them to engage their services. We don't have the luxury of giving out warnings. We'll delete the post or topic and likely ban your account immediately."]
If we can't tallk about it on the forum (it is very sad that there's censorship everwhere these days - "you can't do this" "you can't do that" mentality will all of bring to a bigotry state) - [mod edit: comment/link removed. From the ADT forum etiquette: "No topics about prostitution or escorts. Due to the passage of FOSTA/SESTA Adult DVD Talk cannot allow any topics, private messages, posts or Tweets that promote or facilitate the prostitution of another person. This means you can't talk about which porn stars might be escorts and where you can find them to engage their services. We don't have the luxury of giving out warnings. We'll delete the post or topic and likely ban your account immediately."]
^ In the past, escorting was discussed, but there were some legal changes, and I think the owners just want to stay out of legal trouble.
I understand your frustration about what you see as an unreasonable limit to free speech. But the government has well-recognized (and I think proper) right to limit speech when there is a compelling interest. For instance, the government has a compelling interest in limiting criminal activity. Therefore, you can't advertise criminal services, nor can you discuss how to hire people to commit crimes. (I doubt you would argue that we should be free to discuss how hire an arsonist.)
The problem is not the limit on free speech, the problem is treating sex work as criminal activity.
Whoever posted the ads was engaging in criminal activity. While I don't believe that sex work should be considered criminal, I think it's proper to treat fraud as a crime, and I suspect that the people who posted those ads can properly be considered criminals.
MOD MESSAGE: Guys I'm gonna shut all this down right now. No discussion of escorting whatsoever is allowed. That's not because of ADT, it's because of the American government's passage of some rather heavy-hitting laws called FOSTA and SESTA which can potentially find you guilty of engaging in criminal activity by discussing escorts/escorting online.
So it ends now. Further posts will be deleted.
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Lulubell MindGeek Devotee
1747 Posts 1/19
Posted - May 11 2019 : 4:01PM
This is coming... (Not anal as far as I could see in the trailer...)
You are doing yourself a huge disservice if you think that way. You should get paid your fair market value for a scene- always and with no exceptions. Because I guarantee you the producers aren't ever paying you a dime more than they have to. The pool of women interested in doing things like anal, DP, IR, Golden Showers, ect is lower than the pool of women interested in doing straight B/G- just as the pool of women interested in doing softcore is more than the pool of women interested in doing hardcore. Lower supply of performers often means you can demand a higher wage. That is simple economics. If you don't take advantage of that, then you are letting people take advantage of you.
If Lena Paul doesn't like the fact there is pay disparity between IR and non-IR scenes why doesn't she rectify that by asking the studios (who often parrot this talking point she's promoting here) to pay her MORE so that her non-IR scene fee is equal to her IR scene fee? That would "equalize" things just the same and correct this perceived "evil" just the same, right? So how come I've never heard of a studio offering to such a thing? And if Lena really wants to be the martyr, sacrificing her own pay for her SJW ideals, then why doesn't she fully commit? Why not demand that her fee for doing a scene never exceed what an ugly girl would be paid to do the same scene? Why not demand her fee never exceed the rate that would be paid to a star in her 50's? Why not demand that she never be paid more than what a fat girl with skin would be paid?
Performers are taken advantage enough in this industry without adopting goofy "beliefs" that cause them to screw themselves over. Get paid what you deserve. Willingly work for less and you are nothing but a chump. And if anybody in the industry gives you crap about it ask them why this SJW tax should be paid by the performer and not the studios and producers who make way more money. Ask yourself why, as they pat Lena Paul on the head for being such good girl, they've never ever offered to pay it themselves.
Do you know what studies have shown to be the #1 factor in the existence of the gender gap is? Men ask for raises more. It is that simple. You'd be getting minimum wage if they get away with it. Nobody should be selling themselves short in the workplace, especially not women, and most especially not women in an industry that doesn't exactly have the reputation for treating its talent with dignity and respect.
Thank you .. /profmarketing3 .. you recognize a lot of very true facts about how us women are and have been treated in this industry and I am very very happy with my final decision reguaeding the IR talk ..
How do you guys know about 'Fucking Markus' I have been so excited for that scene to come out since we shot it for evil angel .. Any pics or trailer ? I'm personally excited about the cast list 😈
You do realize that female (and male) performers raise their general rates (as in not just for a specific act, for all their scenes) on a fairly regular basis? And that for the most part, that whole process is a simple calculation between how many scenes you're willing to shoot, and how many scenes you can actually book at that scene rate? The idea that you're leaving money on the table if you aren't charging the highest amount for every scene possible ignores the possibility that at a lower rate, you may shoot more scenes because more companies are willing to book you (and again, that's if you're not already shooting the amount of scenes you're willing to shoot in a given time period). Financially speaking, if you're already shooting all the scenes you want (and having to turn down scenes), then yeah, go ahead and raise your rates, because it'll still probably be worth it. But the danger in it, generally speaking, is raising your rate and ending up with less money because less companies are willing to book you, period. It's not anywhere near as simple as you seem to think it is.
And that ignores all the tangential ass "SJW bullshit" you decided to inject into the argument, because that's what it is, bullshit that's unrelated to the core argument.
Well, if she is shorter than you...Madison Ivy. If she is taller than you...Molly Stewart.
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Maxxx Stirner Deactivated User
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Posted - May 30 2019 : 2:49AM
To further respond to profmarketing IR as I've said time and again is just a way of marketing well endowed hyper masculinity. The former part is what drives extra rates. I don't have a problem with banking on the larger dicked performers, I simply think it should be race neutral. IR ends up being incredibly euphemistic as well as problematic in the end.
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Hugo Bass Deactivated User
Veni Vidi Vici 306 Posts 12/15
Posted - May 30 2019 : 5:09AM
I have said it before and i will say it again..In terms of a performer shooting her first IR is only logical for the performer to ask more money and maybe in second and third shoot (if she choose to do more than one IR scene) but after that it should be charged as a regular b/g..Lets think about it imagine a performer like Riley she is gorgeous on demand with huge following and a big brand name in the industry for 10 years and a potential first IR with the likes of Lansky or Jules will bring a huge amount of money in terms of new subscribers..To me is only logical for the performers to ask for more since IR is a genre that sells like crazy these days..It has nothing to do with the male performer if he is black and in my eyes there is nothing racist going on here..Is just a woman looking to make the most for herself and a deal between she and the director or site owner..After all this relationship is all about "Quid pro quo" what can you give me to give you that..
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Hugo Bass Deactivated User
Veni Vidi Vici 306 Posts 12/15
Posted - May 30 2019 : 5:16AM
3 weeks back Jules posted on twitter that he have a scene booked with you for his site..Does this scene happen..? You look more and more gorgeous every day that passes..Oh and i prefer dirty blonde ;)
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Ohio is for lovers Deactivated User
563 Posts 1/10
Posted - May 30 2019 : 12:59PM
At this point I flat ass don't care about any of the IR sentiment. As a black man I just want to watch beautiful women...especially white women...performing with all men...especially black men. So the question still stands Riley. Are you going to perform with black men as you pointed out on Twitter? It would break the enternet!!! Also, you absolutley amazing in your comeback...better than ever! I've actually been surprised at how into your comeback I've become. Congrats on your success! Hopefully many more to come!!
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Lulubell MindGeek Devotee
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Posted - May 30 2019 : 1:47PM
Riley, let's say that your comeback is HANDS DOWN the BEST comeback to porn in years, I'm not lying about this... There's no other comebacks near yours, we have to face that, you were one of the Digital Playground beauties golden years of porn and you're back now better than ever, without a contract, you're free and doing WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, that's the central point here, you don't need to do anything else to prove that you're the best comeback by far, it's already your archivement!!
Alexis Texas is a porn ICON, she never did that kind of scenes and she got it, same with QUEEN Jesse Jane, Brandi Love never did anal and she's a porn queen too, nobody says that you have to do this or that to be better or have more fans...
^ I've yet to watch any of her new scenes. Are there any that stand out in your mind? (I generally like BG or multiples. I loved Riley's BGG scenes when she was with DP. I'm alright with anal, but I'm put off by ATM and gaping. I don't like slapping, etc.)