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Posted - Oct 4 2000 : 2:53PM
check out geneross today. an excerpt:


When Tommy and I first started Extreme Associates in 1998, you laughed at us, thought of us nothing more than a big fucking joke and wouldn't give us the time of day. We even came to you and asked what we had to do to play ball, what we had to do to get the same coverage that all of these other jackass companies got. We, like so many other newcomers in the business, had to lay at your feet and ask for your blessing, simply to be "allowed" to be privy to the "mysterious information" the VCAs, Wickeds, Vivids, et all seemed to know and understand so well. They got the coverage, regardless of how inept or lame their news and updates might have been.

And you know what, you rancid piece of human waste? You sat up there like the slimy cocksucker you are with that pompous shit-ass grin on your face and said that the way to play ball was for us to get all our printing done at Great Western, our duplication at Trac Tech and, most important of all, to put a lot of big fat ads in your magazine. You looked at us as if our motherfucking fate was in your hands, thinking that we would be like all of the other spineless losers who would get on all fours and eat your shit to get a four-star review and a 1,000 word write-up....

You can call me crazy or spiteful, but I speak for everyone in this business who has had to lay down at the altar of Paul Fishbein, who has been afraid to speak out because he thought the ramifications of such would kill his business. Each of these "little guys" has confessed to me in private what I am now stating publicly: AVN is all about politics and juice and has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of videos. I defy anyone out there to say otherwise. So fuck you, Paul Fishbein, and Monday morning October 9th will signal your death knell.

Edited by - StephDunn on Oct 4 2000

astroknight All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Oct 4 2000 : 3:09PM
I hate it when these guys sugar-coat it so much.
David Lord
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Posted - Oct 4 2000 : 3:53PM
I tell ya these guys know what they are doing. They are pros at being assholes. They do have that wrestling mentality, but it's working for them look at all the press they are getting. When has anyone talked about EXTREME this much? Only time I can think is when they broke off from Patrick. This is brilliant. What he says about AVN is in part true. It is political over there but that's life. What can ya do? It’s like that in every industry and every company out there. I have had awards given to VCA cause they said I didn’t send in screeners, when I did. They even said directly to me and my boss, that we would have won if we had sent them in. We were SHOCKED of this news. Needless to say we had the shipping docs to prove that we did but why play the game. I will say this I do take AVNs side in this matter. No one should be treated with such disrespect. Paul has busted his ass to get where he is. Paul, ya should have grabbed that plant and shoved it up his fat ass.
Drew Black
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Posted - Oct 4 2000 : 3:58PM
What's significant about Monday, Oct. 9th? (I didn't read the rest of it at GeneRoss.com yet.)
Emahevul
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Posted - Oct 5 2000 : 4:05AM
From the Extreme Associates website:

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WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 4, 2000

ROB BLACK ARRESTED!

AS PART OF THE "NEW REGIME" AT EXTREME ASSOCIATES, ROB BLACK DECIDED TO GO BACK TO THE COMPANY'S ROOTS. NO MORE "KINDER, GENTLER EXTREME" AS HAD BEEN THE DESIRE OF A FORMER GENERAL MANAGER - NOW IT WAS BACK TO "RESPECT - WE DON'T EARN IT - WE FUCK'N TAKE IT!" AS PART OF THIS RENEWED ATTITUDE, BLACK DECIDED THAT HE WAS GOING TO CONFRONT THE OWNERS AND EDITORS OF AVN MAGAZINE ABOUT RECENT COMMENTS, COVERAGE, AND LACK THEREOF. AVN OWNER PAUL FISHBEIN WAS CONVENIENTLY OUT OF THE OFFICE (ROB HAD MADE HIS PLANS TO GO TO THE AVN OFFICES PUBLICLY KNOWN EARLIER WHEN HE TALKED TO REPORTERS AT AN E-DAYS PRESS CONFERENCE, INCLUDING ONE FROM AVN) BUT FORMER EXTREME SUPPORTER GENE ROSS WAS ALL THAT BLACK NEEDED. ROB CONFRONTED GENE ABOUT RECENT MUCKRAKING ON HIS WEB SITE AND THE CONFRONTATION GOT LOUD AND A BIT OUT OF CONTROL WHEN BLACK THREW A PLANT ACROSS THE AVN RECEPTION AREA. SOMEONE HAD CALLED POLICE, AS TWO OFFICERS ARRIVED AND TOOK BLACK AWAY, IN HANDCUFFS, TO THE DEVONSHIRE DIVISION POLICE DEPARTMENT WHERE HE WAS RELEASED LATER IN THE DAY TO TOM BYRON. BECAUSE EXTREME HAD PLANNED ON AIRING ROB'S PRESS CONFERENCE IN PART ON OUR SITE HERE, DIRECTOR DEREK NEWBLOOD CAUGHT THE ENTIRE CONFRONTATION ON VIDEO. LATER TODAY, FOOTAGE FROM THE CONFRONTATION AND ARREST WILL BE AVAILABLE HERE ON EXTREMEASSOCIATES.COM.

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JKRULL
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Posted - Oct 6 2000 : 5:00PM
Rob Black needs to get over himself-
He is as much a Politician as Paul is(maybe worse), just different styles. He is poor clone of
Vince McMann. Pretty hard to demand respect, when none is given. October 9th will come and go,
we shall see where they are in 4 or 5 years- that will be the test.

Anyone check out their website? I will leave it at that.

It is crap like this, that gives AVN the power.

HoustonDon
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Posted - Oct 7 2000 : 5:41AM
The guy sounds like a walking advertisement for self destruction. Is most of that simply posturing or does he act that way all the time?
dumblonde
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Posted - Oct 7 2000 : 7:23AM

JKRULL writes
Naturally your comment got me curious, so I did go check out their website. Oh man! Cheesy and amateurish are the two adjectives that I think best describes it. And these guys really think they're going to put AVN out of business? This publicity stunt may have people talking about Extreme, but as a consumer, I know money talks & bullshit walks. So guys, spend the money , and at least get a professional to design your website, because if it's in any way indicative of the quality of your product, I think I'll steer clear.
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Posted - Oct 7 2000 : 3:16PM
I was engaged to Rob and with him for a year. It was such a waste of time and energy.

He is a bitter person who has to talk badly about others in order to make himself feel better.

In 1997, Bad Wives (a film I had a scene in)won best film at AVN. Rob and I were together, and I went over to the director, Paul Thomas, to congratulate him. Rob proceeded to scream at me in public, asking me how I could betray him by going up to a "piece of shit director and congratulate him." I said I guess AVN must have overlooked all the "quality" work that had been put out by Rob the previous year, not to mention that Rob has never shot anything on film in his life.

Anyway, let him talk, but pay him no attention. He always used to say, "Any publicity is good publicity, especially if it's free."
If we all stop paying attention, maybe we'll get our wish, and he'll finally shut up?

JKRULL
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Posted - Oct 7 2000 : 6:37PM
HOUSTONDON-

The sad thing is this would have been a wonderful PR stunt,
if he had his shit together.
When I said 4-5 years, I should have said 4-5 minutes.

To bad Mr. Byron has made such a huge bet on this walking advertisment for anger management. I still have footage of Byron wearing a dress taking up the tush. Real tough guy!

I do wonder why Gene Ross gives this so much press....

HoustonDon
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Posted - Oct 7 2000 : 10:45PM
JKrull, I followed the link to the Gene Ross site and found a few interesting articles but my guess is that he feels a need to take over for Luke's site (if it really is going under) and cover the stories even the National Inquirer would ignore. The industry has a number of problems-we've each discussed a few of them on this site-and loose cannons like Rob will only serve to reinforce the general public's perceptions of it all.

I don't think I've seen any of their dvd's and actions like that don't make me want to rush out and buy any to review either. I am not a big fan of AVN's virtual monopoly on some aspects of the industry either but actions like his won't change that. Can any of you give me a better idea about what kind of power AVN holds over the industry currently? (I have some idea but y'all would have better firsthand knowledge-thanks)

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Posted - Oct 8 2000 : 8:17AM
Besides, I don't know what Rob's beef is with AvN. In the august issue they did a one and a half page business article on Extreme and how they were making inroads with commercial tape sales of their non-porn wrestling tapes. It seemed as complimentary an article as the Digital Playground writeup printed next to it

I think the problem with Extreme is that they're basically two trick ponys, overusing Jessica Darlin and Kristy Myst with a bunch of really unappealling second raters filling out their tapes. Probably b/c of Black's cultivated reputation they don't seem to be the new blood that makes labels like Anabolic/Diabolic so appealing

Emahevul
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Posted - Oct 8 2000 : 10:04AM
Well, at least they have updated their webpage now, which isn't necessarily a good thing. Extremely slow to load and graphics heavy. I never got past the entrance page, figured if the rest of the site was any indication, I didn't want to waste my time.

Damn, looks like a page a second rate webmaster like me would design.

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Posted - Oct 9 2000 : 5:47AM
Not to beat a dead horse here, but aren't they sorta kicking their own asses here?

From the Extreme Associates website:

MONDAY, OCTOBER 9, 2000

WHAT'S THE STORY ON EXTREME?

E-DAYS HAS COME AND GONE -

OR HAS IT?

THIS TUEDSAY, EXTREME PLANS TO TELL THE WHOLE STORY, REVEAL EVERYTHING, AND SHOW THEIR FANS WHAT THE NEW EXTREME IS ALL ABOUT. . .

. . . AND THE ADULT WORLD WILL NEVER BE THE SAME


Isn't that what they said last week about today?

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Posted - Oct 9 2000 : 8:28AM
I guess the end of the world as we know it has been postponed for a day, probably while he tries to figure out how to backup his bullshit.
 
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Posted - Oct 9 2000 : 1:06PM
Nobody should get too upset about his... Obviously Rob needed a little extra publicity, and what better way to do it? Notice how everyone is talking about Extreme now? He succeeded, nice job Mr. Black. Definately makes for good reading! LOL
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Posted - Oct 10 2000 : 3:48PM
perhaps i should change the subject to gene ross with rob black:

from geneross

Gene Going to Extreme

Gene Ross confirms this afternoon that he'll be heading for the wrestling pastures of Extreme Associates thus ending his 14 + year relationship with AVN Publications. The move will be effective the end of this month. Ross says, unlike some of the shenanigans that got reported on the geneross.com site last week, this scenario is legit.

"Although his recruiting tactics are a bit unorthodox, Rob Black can be a bit persuasive to say the least," said Ross.

Ross was referring to a series of stunts straight out of Black's XPW wrestling league when, last Monday afternoon Black, along with 10 company employees bulldozed his way into the AVN lobby, uttered a litany of profanities and attacked a potted plant. Black was subsequently arrested and handcuffed by actors posing as LAPD. Black followed that up with two in-your-face e-mails sent to AVN followed by a delivery of black roses and dead fish which were delivered to the AVN offices Friday afternoon.

Black now admits the whole deal was a setup and a publicity stunt to call attention to a gimmick called "E-Days". Black apologizes to anyone who took the events as real, that his actual intention was to bring Ross over to his company.

Ross said Black called Saturday asking him if he enjoyed his "present". Ross told Bl;ack that he had already left the office Friday afternoon when the fish and roses were delivered and that the effect was completely lost on him. It was then that Black invited Ross to his house Sunday afternoon "to watch some fucking football". It was at that time that Black and business partner Tom Byron unveiled the elaborate scenario and made a heavy pitch to Ross citing his vast experience in the business. Black said he had to keep Ross in the dark about what he was doing with E Days in order to make the gimmick look as real as possible. Ross told Black he would think about the offer, and, after a day of deliberation, informed AVN publisher Paul Fishbein, the events of the weekend and his intentions to leave AVN.

Says Fishbein: "Gene-"Gene came to me this morning and told me he wanted to leave AVN and try his hand at something new. After 14 years, it has come as a shock. However, he has been a wonderful employee and a great friend and much of the success of AVN can be attributed to him. Through thick and thin, Gene has been the glue that has kept the magazine together.

"I wish Gene the best of luck in his new endeavor. He'll always be an AVN guy."

Gene sez: "I'll have more to comment, but I wanted to post this story as soon as possible from my mouth and not indulge the rumor mill." Ross says Black is the younger retarded brother he never had and, thus, feels a kinship with him.


JKRULL
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Posted - Oct 11 2000 : 1:55PM
So the story is Gene Ross was in on the whole thing,
gee what a surprise. We wish Gene good luck at Extreme,
now at least they have a little class.
Gene is a good guy, and a great PR man. With his help,
these WWF want a be's might just make it.

However, I hope there is something more exciting behind this-This is hardly impressive, people switch companies everyday... Gene tell us there is something more interesting then your new fat paycheck!




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