I got to thinking: when has the King fucked a black girl in his inimitable style? Not never, but recently? Hardly ever. Why? Perhaps he is worried his usual rough handling would raise eyebrows if a negresse was at the receiving end.
Last year with Skin Diamond in Rocco's Coming in America for example, fact is he does fuck black girls when in the States but there's a lack of black performers in Budapest where he mainly performs
He once mentioned in an interview that he does scenes with black girls against his preference, so he'd rather not do it. So he is kind of in the same boat as girls who refure IR(for personal reasons and not just financial i.e. holding out for a big pay day for example).
I live in Italy and I've never, and I stress the NEVER, heard him saying anything like that , nor anything against blacks in general, and here he talks a lot and talked really a lot over the years. Also he doesn't have to fuck anyone he doesn't like , he casts the stars in his movies , also he almost always put black actors in his movies from the very beginning of his career as a director , he didn't have to, nobody was asking for that, yet he did and still does , you may notice that he not only doesn't even states how many IR scenes are in a movie of his , but also he expect no difference from the performers , as very well shown in a BTS with Valentina Nappi she didn't inform her her very first shoot was with a Mike Chapman. When he came back after his hiatus he booked Jada Fire for his second movie (Rocco Ravishes LA) , he didn't have to , the cast was already astounding (Adriana Nicole, Bobbi Starr, Kagney Linn Karter , Dana DeArmond, Kristina Rose) yet he booked Jada. Nobody forced him to, nobody asked for , he chose to book her.
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Posted - Nov 4 2014 : 11:14AM
As far as I know the term is regarded as offensive, except in Cajun French specifically. However, if the mods are okay with your using the term I won't question its appropriateness further. Edited by - misspornUSA on 11/4/2014 11:14:16 AM
[MOD: Don't start insulting people, this is how threads get closed or accounts get closed] didn't even give my opinion on it I was just mentioning what I read in an interview years ago.(if you are interested in my thoughts, I think it's fine if Rocco or other male performers have a personal preference and would rather fuck a girl of one race over another. There shouldn't be a double standard in genders since the girls in porn generally are excused for this despite whining from IR fans. Also, you can have this preference and still not be racist at all.) I just found it: http://www.lukeisback.com/stars/stars/rocco_siffredi.htm "This I shouldn't say, but lately it's becoming more and more of a problem. In the past I could f--- any girl anytime. Now I start to say: not with that one, and not with that one. Not because I'm getting old, but because I only want to work with the best of the best. That's why I like to participate in the "Buttmann"-series of John Stagliano. Nothing is ever written on paper there, you can just do what you want and go with girls you like. But in a movie like "Tarzan" I have to do it with black women. I don't complain, for Tarzan lives in the jungle. If it's neccesary for the job, I will do it. But otherwise I won't." Edited by - flash on 11/4/2014 10:34:58 PM
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Posted - Nov 4 2014 : 1:37PM
^I've gone ahead and looked up the film on IAFD. None of the pornstar cast are black. EDIT: I've found a breakdown of the film's sex scenes. No IR is mentioned. Edited by - misspornUSA on 11/4/2014 1:46:56 PM
I have it , Extended version and he doesn't fuck any black girl , actually there's no IR whatsoever not just him but also none of the girls does any IRI read it , that interview is actually a compilation from some different , some parts did not fit , in one he says he has a girlfriend , in another that he is married with two children two years old , in another talks about his mainstream movie. plus the part about Tarzan and the black girl is clearly an example, he doesn't perform any IR in that movie , nobody does in there Edited by - flash on 11/4/2014 10:36:00 PM
Actually the darkest skinned girl in the whole movie was Rosa Caracciolo, his wife , she's Hungarian , played Jane in there , if she was the "black woman" he was talking about then he very much liked her. She's not black but in their first scene (second picture in MisspornUSA's link) on a branch when they have the Sun behind her and she's lightly in the shadow she may appear darker than she actually is, but there are no black performers in the whole movie Edited by - LCF on 11/4/2014 1:58:24 PM
I guess we have to keep in mind that Rocco has a motormouth, he says the first thing that pops into his head. On this basis, especially because there weren't actually any black girls in Tarzan, there's nothing to extrapolate from the interview about his preference.
It could be that that interview was before the movie was actually shot and Rocco may have thought that he would need to do scenes with black women. There are actually black women in the movie but they don't do any sex scenes, so this is probably the reason for his comment. So him doing scenes with black women in the movie or not is irrelevant, he has done scenes with black girls anyway. What matters is his comment that show his feelings about this subject, and again there is nothing wrong with it. So Rocco prefers to fuck girls that are the same race as him, is that a bad thing? Nope.
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Posted - Nov 4 2014 : 3:00PM
^^He gave that interview almost 20 years ago. I'm not sure that we can conclude that "Rocco prefers to fuck girls that are the same race as him" though we can say that two decades ago Rocco preferred to fuck girls that were the same race as him. Edited by - misspornUSA on 11/4/2014 3:00:17 PM
^^ He knew who he was going to fuck, Rosa Caracciolo was hired for the movie as well , she only performed with him, she was his girlfriend then , they married a year after , so yes he perfectly knew who he had to fuck and he knew there was no black. It was a completely hypothetical issue nothing real , he possibly mentioned it to promote the movie , as for his preference well even after all these years , even after all the girls he met and fucked he's still married with Rosa it's been 19 years now, that speaks volumes about them ^ He was fucking pretty regularly Lydia Chanel , Tabitha Cash and maybe Charlene Roben too ,didn't seem in distress
^ Except for TarzanX he was already a producer and director back then , if you wanted him you had to match his requests , he knew exactly what was in there and who and especially Rosa who only performed with him. Also in the very same interview he said that back in 1994 he was already paid five times the average wage any other performer was getting, he even put figures: he was paid $ 1,000 over the average $200 of any other talent , so maybe he couldn't pick, but surely nobody wanted to piss him off forcing him into anything he didn't want He did Marco Polo in the same year both Tabatha Cash and Lydia Chanel starred in there Edited by - LCF on 11/4/2014 3:50:18 PM
I don't expect him to bang black girls frequently so that's not the issue. But you in turn can't exactly deny that the percentage of black girls on his enormous resume is miniscule even before he was confined to shooting in mainly one area. On top of that you have this interview and it's pretty convincing to me.
^ I perfectly understood what he said , it was an example with unsaid "if" , because there were no IR scenes in that movie and he knew it. It was hypothetical , he could have said Marco Polo and "Asian women" as well Also my English may very well be elementary , it's not my language after all, but nobody here denies he did few iR scenes , we're saying it's not racism and he's been married with the same woman for 19 years now plus two years in relationship, to talk about personal preferences is pointless , Rosa is the woman he prefers as it would seem. As for the amount of scenes he did, he produced and performed in Europe especially in Budapest where he lives , you may notice that not just him but almost nothing produced in Eastern Europe contains any black girl, the number of black performers in Europe either men or women is scarce to say the very least and only very few of them are actually European Citizens , none of them from Budapest , also ,especially when he started directing and producing, Eastern performers were a lot cheaper back then , extremely hot and uninhibited too. He didn't shoot with many Asians either but nobody complained , but hey Asians are rare in Euro porn too. In the USA he did book black girls even though he didn't have too Edited by - LCF on 11/4/2014 4:38:26 PM
^I don't think anybody said it's racism. In fact I've been defending him the whole time saying he's not racist at all for preferring his own race over black girls, I'd say that's pretty natural and instinctive behavior. Our society is so pc nowadays.
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Posted - Nov 4 2014 : 7:12PM
If black women were featured more often in the European porn I watch, I would be inclined to concur with your view that the rarity of black women in Rocco's films is due to a personal preference on his part. I don't ascribe as much weight as you do to Rocco's words from 20 years ago.
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Posted - Nov 5 2014 : 10:30AM
The only reason I heard Rocco doesn't fuck black girls is he couldn't find many to let him do what likes to do. It's the reason he doesn't fuck many American girls period and sticks mostly with Eastern European. They let him do his crazy sex antics. I've heard American girls complain about how Rocco does things. I think Rocco prefers working with Eastern European girls because they are more pliant to the crazy sex Rocco prefers.
So now she is not black enough,jeez im so glad my life does not revolve around interracial. PS did you check Keisha's IAFD page listing her as a black female or perhaps this site listing her as black link
There are a number of reasons for this and some of them already pointed out by other users. Firstly most pornography in the world (easily over 90%) is produced in America. There is a smaller market in Europe for pornography and less companies making movies. In those central or eastern European countries that Rocco is shooting in there are not many black woman, especially - none in the porn industry. I could only name a hand full of black female pornstars from Europe and they are from the UK. There is not a big demand for interracial pornography in Europe, most viewers are not into it. I wouldn't be able to list a single European website dedicated to well endowed white men screwing black women. I would enjoy it if they did but so far we haven't got one. Your question could be applied to most European male pornstars. Look at British male pornstars like Ryan Ryder who have never done a scene with a black girl, or even older pornstars like the French legend Ian Scott the only time he did a scene with a black female was when he works for American companies. It's because there isn't hardly any black females in the porn industry in Europe so the white guys are not being paired up with them. I could only name Jasmine Webb and Kiki Minaj but they do most of their scenes with white men for American companies like Brazzers and even these two girls are not that widely known. Edited by - bill66 on 11/5/2014 2:35:37 PM
Pierre Woodman recently did Alyssa Devine. Even though he also almost never did black girls I could tell he was extremely into it so that would clear up any pc racism allegations for him in particular.
^^ there are a number of IR scenes in Harmony productions Jasmine Webb did many of them and did some with Danny D , however Rocco doesn't perform for any director other than himself with the only exception of John Stagliano (Voracious series)
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Posted - Nov 5 2014 : 3:56PM
^^What you just wrote, especially about Mr. Woodman having been "extremely into" his scene with Alyssa though he "almost never" works with black pornstars, undermines your conclusion about Rocco's reasons for not shooting more black women.
^You sure are still upset for some reason huh? You can't let it go. LOL. I can tell that you are still trying to instigate something here with your ultimate goal being to get me in more trouble after the mod warning. I didn't undermine anything. My main arguments are based on Rocco's comment in the interview and the percentage of black girls on his resume vs the availibility throughout his career. Where are Woodman's quotes where he says that he would rather not do scenes with black girls? And secondly, when did Woodman have long periods where he was shooting movies in America?
^ Yet if you ever saw him with Lydia Chanel you would see he was VERY much into it , I'm telling you again that example he made was hypothetical and he used that as an example, there are no IR scenes nor Black actresses in that movie and he knew it. (unless you count a tribe dancing in a single minute scene when Jane was tied to a pole) At this point I'm not even sure you saw that movie , also I'd like to know why he mentioned a movie with NO IR scenes but didn't mention The Adventures of Marco Polo issued concurrently with Tarzan where he performed in at least 4 IR scenes.
^You speak about it like it's a fact. Where is your evidence that he knew 100% that he wasn't gonna do a scene with a black woman at the time of that interview? And what is your point with that, are you trying to discredit it or claim it's not legitimate interview, or maybe Rocco wasn't sober when he said it? Again, I'd like to see proof for any of that if so. I'm the only one so far who has provided any proof here while you act like you're his Italian BFF and I'm supposed to blindly accept your claims.
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Posted - Nov 5 2014 : 4:33PM
^^^I am not upset and have no emotional stake in this matter. I literally grew up watching Rocco yet have never even thought about the topic of this conversation until the OP brought it up. I am discussing it as a way to casually pass the time, not because I'm passionate about the issue, though apparently you are. According to you, Woodman enjoyed the scene he shot with Lydia, so why doesn't he shoot more scenes with black women? What about other European directors? Instead of replying to me, perhaps you should reply to Bill66 and explain to him why he has his facts wrong. If his facts are accurate, then what is there left to discuss? A 20 year old interview? Perhaps you did not understand me the first time, so I'l try again.Edited by - misspornUSA on 11/5/2014 4:34:17 PM
^^ Because the main actress was his GIRLFRIEND a star who would only work with him , and he knew he had three scenes with her, they lived together , plus being a feature he had the script of it , the black girl he mentioned was hypothetical he referred to that as a fact and there wasn't any black performer see:he didn't say I may have he said matter of factly I have to but he didn't have there was no IR scheduled for that movie , though he did fuck black girls before and after Tarzan and continued to do so even when he was producer and director hence completely free to do or not do whatever he wanted. Also Joe D'Amato the director of Tarzan and Marco Polo was married with a Black Woman (mainstream actress Laura Gemser aka Black Emmanuelle) , I don't think he'd condone any racism on Rocco part less of all toward black women especially because she helped joe on set so if not Joe she surely won't. Edited by - LCF on 11/5/2014 4:45:15 PM
^^@misspornusa- Clearly you do have some kind of emotional stake otherwise you wouldn't instigate and nitpick my words incorrectly after this has already been discussed days ago and it ended up with warnings. there was no reason for you to do that. You don't have to be dishonest, if you feel like I wronged Rocco and deeply upset you there's no reason for you to dance around this. I never said Woodman enjoyed his scene with Lydia, I said he enjoyed his scene with Alyssa Devine recently. Re-read the above posts and see that you are mistaken. Why doesn't he shoot more black women? Re-read the thread, Woodman has been confined to one niche and area for what I believe to be his entire career. Rocco on the other hand has worked in the USA for some time in the past and goes over there to shoot movies from time to time as well so it's not the same situation at all. So you are trying to make some kind of comparison between Woodman and Rocco based on my earlier comment, and you fall flat completely by trying to make some kind of point that you are no longer elaborating on.
missPornUSA: I would like to get something straight from you. If it is the case that black women don't turn Rocco on as much as white women, and because of this he shuns them when casting his movies, does that make him a racist?
She was not the only actress he worked with in that movie.I already asked you, where is your proof that he already knew exactly what the casting of the movie would be at the time of THIS interview? You keep repeating all your theories like they're facts, but in this case you would have to provide evidence for this. If you continue to repeat yourself and make it clear that all you have are your own assumptions instead of facts then we are done with this conversation.So you don't actually deny that Rocco expressed his personal thoughts on the matter. Wether he did IR in that movie or not doesn't change the fact that he said that he prefers not to do it. You're focusing too much on an irrelevant matter.Again I said from the beginning that I don't think there is anything racist in Rocco at all despite of what he said. Did you forget that already?
^ I don't think so , for example the so called "ghetto type" black girls with extremely big asses doesn't turn me in any way , I don't like that kind of body , I wouldn't hire any such girl, even though there's a huge amount of black girls shaped differently that I like a lot. If someone is not turned on by the physical feature of a girl , I don't think he could be called racist, especially because even assuming he really is not turned on by black girls he did hire some of them and performed with them in spite of his "revulsion". Anyway I ask you have you ever saw him performing with Lydia Chanel? Because if what he showed several times with her was revulsion , I don't know how to call my liking of her
That because they are facts , either him and his girlfriend had to deal with what they have to do and their wages , you know they get paid , they deal in advance the money they get , they both dealt in advance , Rosa only performed with him in her whole career she wouldn't perform with anybody else , so if she had three scenes , even assuming he didn't know anything then all her THREE scenes were with him. Plus if you saw the movie , and I'm sure you didn't at this point , you would know there are a lot of scripts this wasn't a gonzo movie it was meant for theatres and shot in location , he had to study the script , so he had to know what the story was , he had to know that the other two girls he had to fuck were British noblewomen and friends of Jane As I said he wasn't actually taking about black women he was talking about professionalism and used an example of an hypothetical situation , plus that interview extrapolates question and answers from different interviews we don't know the actual context nor when it was actually released , we assume in 1994 because it was when TarzanX was released , yet his interviews doesn't fit with the movie. And the matter is not irrelevant because this entire thread is focused on such matter Edited by - LCF on 11/5/2014 5:18:24 PM
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Posted - Nov 5 2014 : 5:36PM
I have never watched one of Rocco's films and thought to myself "I wish he shot with black women more." Rocco is a great performer and director, but I don't feel such a personal attachment to him that I would be "deeply upset" had he been "wronged" by you. Again, I don't have any desire to see him shoot with a greater number of black women, though I would have no reason to complain if he did.Yes. I intended to type "Alyssa" and instead typed "Lydia." My mistake.As you know, I am not comparing Rocco only to Woodman but to European porn directors in general. Do you watch much European porn? I do, and I rarely see black women make an appearance. Perhaps your experience is different, but I have no way of knowing that since you haven't said either way. There is nothing exceptional in Euro porn about Rocco rarely shooting black women.
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