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It could be that she has a fan club, which is voting for her at her request, or it could be people are voting for her, because they don't want any of the others to win.

Who knows?... but if it is foul play involved, those fuckers have ruined another fan based favorite poll.

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Because upon further examination, I don't recall seeing her name in the running, nor was it there when I voted yesterday.

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The voting system records a number of pieces of information when a voter registers and subsequently casts their votes. It's designed to make it cumbersome for an individual to stuff the ballot box and easy for us to detect it if it does happen. It's not happening in this case. I suspect Britni has a fan club and sent out an email asking all of her supporters to cast a vote for her. Perfectly acceptable.

Britni's name has been on the ballot since round 2.1 opened yesterday morning. It was not added after the fact. I typed it into the database after receiving the list of names and brackets from Rog.

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Bi-Sexual Britney's Website

I really think you must be right. She, or people who like her must have rallied her fans. I have nothing against Bi-Sexual Britni, but I find the results of her poll bracket very hard to understand if not for an unbalanced representation of voting porn fans. As you said, there's nothing wrong with this, but I don't think the voting is accurate in terms of a balanced cross-section of porn fans, or even of those who frequent rog's site. :)

Nothing to be done about it though. It's the one of the pitfalls of fan awards, I think.

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I wonder if Alexa, Belladonna, Houston or Monica have the resources to rally their fan base? That's the only way any of them are going to catch up.

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"Rog added Britney to this round of voting. He forgot to include her in the first round and felt badly about it, essentially giving her a "buy" for the first round."

First of all let me say I have really enjoyed Rog's polls so far and I think he has every right to carry them out in any manner he sees fit. That said in my personal opinion she is a far far cry from the caliber of entertainer that should qualify for such a contest. When I think of all the great performers that didn't make the poll it seems a little ridiculous to grant Britni a spot in the poll after it has started. Hell she has essentially been granted a bye through the first round, a round that took out some seriously talented and popular performers like Shyla.

Rog has been very open about the fact that he encourages "get out the vote" campaigns, so all the power to Britni for using her website to push her numbers up.

Personally if Rog did grant her second round entry I feel it has destroyed the integrity of the whole poll. I was really impressed with how much more professional it looked this year, and it seems to me like it has the potential to become a rather coveted award. However the decision creates the potential for the polls to end up looking like a farce. What if Britni is able to mobilize her fan base enough to ride their votes to the title. Ok I know it isn't going to happen, because all it takes is a little promotional savvy from Jenna J and she will walk away with this thing. But imagine if Britni does win how seriously would the industry or anybody take the award after that?

I will still continue to vote, and most likely I will continue to enjoy participating, because I love polls for some reason. After its all said and done its just another internet poll I guess.

Hey just my two cents.

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True. I expected that first round to be a battle between Belladonna and Monica Sweetheart, two girls who have been in more higher caliber releases as opposed to some of the low end stuff Britni has been in.

But as gold_member said:

Personally if Rog did grant her second round entry I feel it has destroyed the integrity of the whole poll. I was really impressed with how much more professional it looked this year, and it seems to me like it has the potential to become a rather coveted award.

Same here, I thought that this was going to be the best poll, and it could still be, but to give a first round bye to a performer of lesser status to go up against some "big" stars and to defeat them, in such a fashion, seems odd.

Oh well, it's easy to sit back and bitch, but in the end it comes down to Rog's decision, and you gotta respect that.

---BIGmike, going and going and going since MCMLXXX---

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Bisexual Brinti was passed over in the first round. This was a mistake on my part. When I drew the names out of the hat, there were 55 instead of 56 (The top 8 were selected based on last year's finished and assigned their own brackets to avoid powerhouse brackets in the first round) When I realized one was missing I wrote down a name (I won't tell you who was allowed in who shouldn't have been) instead of BB. When I realized my mistake I chose to put her into round 2. I've done this in the past, and it's the only fair way to do it.

As for her votes, they are coming from a campaign she has waged. I got an email myself. I don't think this is unfair at all. Other performers have used their web sites to promote the voting and forumns have been supporting their favorites. (A few yahoo clubs already etc.)

I'm shocked she has as big a lead as she does, but there is no rule against reaching out to your fan base. Alana Evans did it last year and nearly upset Jenna.

I apologize for any mix up, and I really don't think there is any cheating going on. (At least I hope not.) Drew has done a great job of making it very tough for anyone to do that this year.

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When results that skewed are allowed it invalidates not only that category, but the integrity of the entire poll. Really, what's the point of it all when results are so blatantly manipulated rather than legitimate? Will anyone, even Britni herself, feel that she is a true winner in that category? Give me a break, a French figure-skating judge could come up with a more honest outcome.

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Maybe, just maybe, the reason I am winning is the same reason I the only girl in the contest who read or reads these boards and certianly the only one that will write a reply. I am out on the internet, actively seeking votes and running a website myself. I dont have some huge compamy doing it for me. I answer my own email myself and update my site. myself. Can any of the other girls say that? I learned of this forum reading my traffic stats, and followed the link. Think any of the other girls will do that???

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And apparently Drew did find some cases where some people voting for you found a way to beat the system, but that too has been cleared up.

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I must admit I did jump to the conclusion that the poll was hacked, but in all fairness I think it was a the most logical explanation until Drew cleared it up.

At this point I certainly don't think you are doing anything wrong at all. I think you should campaign as much as you want. I personally do think it is inappropriate for you to have been given a bye into the second round though, but hey thats Rog's prerogative.

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Basically I agree with you. If Britni is the only one who campaigns for votes she would in essence be the only one running. However I can totally understand why Rog would and is encouraging contestants to campaign. Lets face it this poll generates some web traffic for Rog, and to some extent I suspect that is one of the reasons why Britni has been granted such late entry into the poll.

I say good for Rog! There seems to be a lot of work put into pulling off this poll, so why shouldn't Rog benefit from some increased web flow as a result. I am sure that his hope is that the bigger names will throw their weight around a little more in these polls so they don't get beat by the likes of Britni. I think they should! It is great exposure for these starlets as well.

"Will anyone, even Britni herself, feel that she is a true winner in that category? Give me a break, a French figure-skating judge could come up with a more honest outcome."

True! However I am sure Britni would feel like a winner, because she will have won some valuable exposure. Just look at the number of times her name has been mentioned in this thread alone.

It is just sad to think that performers as talented and popular as Belladonna and Monica Sweetheart stand a very good chance of losing to a relative unknown because she was given a 1st round bye & has a good web presence.

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I have seen Belladonna and Monica Sweetheart over 2 dozen times, and think that they would have been more deserving of the award, if it came down to them.

It's not the hardest thing to cheat on internet polls. So when Drew says that it was done, he ain't blowing smoke out his ass, 'cause it can be done.

I am not knocking you Britni, and I hope you continue to read this forum, but Belladonna or Monica Sweetheart is more deserving of this award, in my opinion.

---BIGmike, going and going and going since MCMLXXX---

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Just one thought in this mess.

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BigMike, I don't consider myself a big fan of Britni, but I would recommend her scene in DNA #3 to you.

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Britni is an enthusiastic performer with beautiful alabaster skin and a strong, flexible body. She has made a *lot* of videos. I am a big fan of this small woman.

The enemy of sexually powerful women is shame; that of men--aggression.

Edited by - SueR on 12/3/2002 5:29:49 PM

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BTW, I vote for Belladonnna, but Britney gets some points too, especially for the 'steelers' tattoo and her extreme hardcore talents (and I think shes attractive so 'Nyah Nyah'.) I hope I can catch yah at Stevi Secrets too, BiBrit...and welcome to the forum.

'The "lesser" known starlets often work harder and have a better fan base on the web.'
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---This is the important thing. Not because something must be wrong with the system if 'your' favorite star doesn't win! This is like an episode of 'american idol' and crying that your favorite singer was cut but had a better voice and was more attractive than the person who went on to the next tier. Vote, and then see where the chips fall....

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But again, because Britni is not violating any rules, more power to her. As she herself pointed out, the other girls she's competing against have the same opportunity to rally their fans and wage a campaign just like she's doing.

I actually took the time to go over to Britni's website and check it out thoroughly. I've visited many porn star websites over the years and will say that Britni's ranks among the absolute best that I've ever seen.

The evidence of her website, which she runs herself, the skill with which she has waged her campaign, and the intelligence with which she has responded to posters in this thread, proves to me conclusively that Britni is no dummy (not that anyone has said or implied so).

The quote below taken from Britni's website shows that she's not your average, run-of-mill porn girl:

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I agree all the power to her. It just seemes to me that Britni and others are defending themselves from nonexisting attacks.

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I have to admit I am a bit of a sucker for a good argument, sometimes I just love to argue.

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Britni, you claim that you are "A contract girl for extreme, veteran of 200 adult movies, more then any of the other girls in the contest, a web site 5 times the size of all theirs put together?" Certainly a person with credentials like that would be capable of competing on a level field without needing to campaign for votes while your opponents don't. So why didn't you? If your get out the vote tactics do succeed and you win, will you really feel that you've earned the victory fairly and that the results were based on merir rather than campaigning? Will that trophy mean anything to you?

I propose a test. Give a bye to a non porn star so that she makes the third round. Pick Anna Kournikova or Britney Spears. Then mail their fan base asking for votes. Despite the fact that neither has ever appeared in a porn movie or merits inclusion in the poll, would anyone here be naive enough to think that they wouldn't win easily? Britni, would you feel cheated if they beat you that way? Would you feel their victory was legit?

Oh, and by the way, any web poll is impossible to secure. You can limit voting to registered members of a given site and protect against multi-votes with cookies or by excluding IP addresses. But:
1) Free email addresses are a dime a dozen
2) Anyone with a clue can edit or delete cookies.
3) Proxy servers support IP masking and Linux makes it easy to spoof an IP.
You can't prevent a knowledgeable user from voting as many times as he/she wants to. Perhaps in the future it might be best to limit voting to people who are registered users BEFORE the poll begins. That'd minimize the impact of a single contestant using a mailing list to flood the ballot box and insure a much more representative sample of voters.

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If I was, I am happy to win, if I lose, I am happy to lose, as long as I tried. I will not sit and be a specatator. So, all you guys, who have never even seen a video camara, much less posed in front of one, can be as judgemental as you like. In reality, you have no idea what your talking about.

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ps. I have recived almost 200 hits to my site from this thread, so, lets keep it going shall we?

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I've exchanged emails with a few dozen Brtini supporters over the past two days. A number of Hotmail users were having problems registering. It appears as though the registration confirmations are getting caught by some user's spam filters. All of the conversations have been pleasant and most of the folks have been very quick to respond. They are very eager to show their support for Britni.

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I myself like Britni because she does all the hardcore stuff, I wish all pornstar would do these kind of things instead of becoming a softcore model for companies like Vivid, VCA, Wicked or JKP.

Edited by - Ramsey on 12/3/2002 7:13:39 PM

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Britni, I do agree with you that there is nothing wrong or improper regarding your conduct in this matter. More power to you. If some people want to continue casting aspersions against you, then fine, that only serves to drive more traffic to your website as you pointed out yourself.

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