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Tom Byron
Evolution Erotica

344 Posts
9/02
Posted - Sep 1 2003 : 8:53PM
The two biggest stories coming out in the porn biz the last few weeks have been the multiple allegations of rape toward
Ron Jeremy and the obscenity prosecution levied at Extreme Associates, the centerpiece of which is a movie depicting rape.

The question is who do you think should do 50 years in prison: A man who produced a movie showing adult actors
faking rape, or a man who, (while it is yet to be proven) may, according to more than one source, be guilty of actual rape?

It's probably a silly comparison, but I'm outputting BLack Up That White Ass and was bored...

Asmodeus
Lord of Lust

az-mo-day-us
6338 Posts
10/01
Posted - Sep 1 2003 : 9:38PM
Rape and other forms of sexual abuse are very serious crimes that should be dealt with severe consequences. Cinematic depictions of sexual assault, while disturbing, are not illegal to film as long as fully-consenting adults are involved and of course no actual rape is committed. If that wasn't the case, the producers of The Accused, Straw Dogs and many other such movies would now be behind bars. While I don't know if Ron Jeremy ever raped anyone I do know that the current prosecution of Rob Black and Lizzy Borden is one big pile of steaming excrement - and John Ashcroft is the one who made it.

Edited by - Asmodeus on 9/1/2003 9:40:02 PM

baronorca
Member

Montana
528 Posts
1/01
Posted - Sep 1 2003 : 9:45PM
Neither, the first (Rob Black) is guilty of nothing more than making bad porn movies, the sentence - I wont buy/rent anymore of them.
The second (Ron Jeremy) seems to be a case of he said/she said, long after the incident has passed, the sentence, nothing other than having to live with himself.

*Mutt*
Deactivated User

752 Posts
8/03
Posted - Sep 1 2003 : 9:48PM
Tom Byron
Evolution Erotica

344 Posts
9/02
Posted - Sep 1 2003 : 10:58PM
Nobody that I know of. Perhaps I should have said MY question is.
Will you shed a tear when they take your PORN away? Not to
mention civil liberties, privacy or anything else this
administration seems dead set on eliminating?

This topic wasn't intended to discern who was a better person, just an personal observation.

 
Max Booty
Member

New Orleans
484 Posts
6/03
Posted - Sep 1 2003 : 11:26PM
for as much as I can live without the porn of Rob Black, or Max Hardcore for that matter, I'd defend their right to produce it to the very last. I'm sure many would disagree but I look at freedom of speech as an absolute. We act as own censors and turn off or avoid what we don't like or approve of. The day the Justice Department tells me what is approved for me to watch and what isn't is the day I think about moving somewhere else.
As for Ron Jeremy. If he indeed raped Ginger Lynn Allen then I hope he rots somewhere pretty nasty. What those two things have in common...I don't know.

Max Booty
"I love Thanksgiving. It's the only time in Los Angeles that you see natural breasts."- Arnold Schwarzenegger

Tom Byron
Evolution Erotica

344 Posts
9/02
Posted - Sep 1 2003 : 11:53PM
I don't know, either. I was attempting to point out the hypocrisy of a society that would give a legal sanction to
a fake rape instead of a real one, but I think my analogy
was muddled at best.

Anyway, Black Up That White Ass goes to the authorer
tomorrow! It's real good!*cheap plug*

skronker
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Scopophiliac
9780 Posts
9/02
Posted - Sep 2 2003 : 12:28AM
Well, as I read it, neither situation merits prosecution. Even if Ron Jeremy did do it, it's been 20 years or so -- right? -- which kind of hampers the case. Also, for good or ill, I think it would be difficult for one porn actor to win a rape case against another porn actor, because their mutual profession would so bias and confuse a jury. I think you would have a hard time finding an enlightened jury of "peers" to sort that one out properly.
Blue Sword
Member

139 Posts
8/03
Posted - Sep 2 2003 : 1:26AM
Tom,

Produce some good porn. If the government comes knocking at your door, I'll back you up. I always enjoyed the movies you directed at Extreme, at least the Whack Attack series and Cumback Pussy.

I won't back Extreme ever since I watched that disgusting movie where they had Kristi Myst puke. It was wretched and a good sex scene was ruined by Zupko's twisted bullshit and Black's acceptance of it. I'm sorry, even to me they go way too far. Fucking a girl dressed up like the virgin Mary or whatever in a trough filled with muddy water, then having her puke in a guys hand and eat it. That's way too far to me.

If Ron Jeremy raped Ginger, then let him fry. He deserves it. It's definitely going to be hard to prove given the industry.

TonyC
Comstock Films

2523 Posts
8/03
Posted - Sep 2 2003 : 5:58PM
The "decency" standards applied to the photographic arts vs. other graphic arts or writing is my longest running soap box rants.

My wife says it's simple: photography (film, video, etc) involves real people actual *doing* the things that are being depicted. Real people having real sex (even if it's real fake sex) wigs people out. If it didn't wig people out, then porn would be boring. (Oh wait, most porn is boring.)

At any rate, it burns my biscuits that A.M. Homes can write something like "End of Alice" and it's heralded as great literature, yet my tenderhearted little films about the simple pleasures of sex inside of marraige put me in the same class as Rob Black et. al.

Will it ever be different? Maybe. But if it is my wife's probably right, and all us smut mongers will be out of a job.

T.C.

Murray Head
Member

263 Posts
9/02
Posted - Sep 3 2003 : 12:23AM
Well sure the "rapist"should fry.By all accounts,as blatant as Extreme's shock tactics were,everyone involved knew what they were doing,a bunch of adults consenting to a particular act.The unfortunate thing is sex is the ultimate hot button that sharply divides people.

There are just as disgusting acts being done by others(minus the sex)under the guise of performance art and entertaintment.Like performance artist Ron Athey,an HIV positive man who has done things like ritual bleeding,after which he presses paper/cloth to his bleeding back then sends the bloody sheets out over the audience.And why has no one from the Decency Squad gone after the folks from Jackass?I haven't bothered to watch all the dumb stuff they do,but these are guys who have done stuff like eat egg after egg until they puke(all lovingly caught on camera),intentionally cut/hurt themselves,and displays of LITERAL scat "humor".

Only when you add real displays of sexual intercourse between consenting adults does it start to outrage people.

Too bad,if Rob had stuck to putting out scorching smut,like he did with the first year of Extreme,perhaps he wouldn't be in this situation.But people like Zupko and Black became too enamored with shocking people and forgot how to make quality smut.I heard a recent story that Rob intends to rebuid Extreme and to make films that would make Forced Entry look like child's play.The moron just doesn't know when to quit does he?




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