If it is the thumb that is the issue would a fisting scene be allowed if the fister was a thumb umputee?

(Mark, you do realsie this will get shifted don't you? I mean, fisting is hardly the lighter end of porn)

Edited by - Sir Noel Plum on 3/23/2003 5:25:24 PM

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I learn and learn about all countries freedoms in this World....

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Edited by - skronker on 3/23/2003 6:49:28 PM

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Ms Christine & JC, the first couple of adult review.

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I don't know a definitive answer, as I'm sure there ISN'T a definitive answer.
However, I am pretty sure that ANY of the fingers left out of penetration would justify that it IS NOT fisting being shown.

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now i could be completely off about this, but from what i've heard, the reason that showing fisting is still considered obscene in some states is because it is seen as an act of violence. yeah, god forbid a girl pleasure herself with her own hand, but putting 5 dicks in her at once (if it were possible) is perfectly ok.

figure that one out.

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It sounds quirky, but the logic behind laws when they are passed, and then the efforts to subsequently uphold and enforce them, are not necessarily logical.

As Constance said, the fist has been singled out, but you can see 8, or even 12 fingers used as long as it's not more than four from each hand.

As far as law following life, I don't know of a single country that doesn't have some quirky laws on their books. Laws that don't make sense, and are difficult to uphold.

DenverDon

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It is legal for a male to urinate in public, as long it is on the rear wheel of his motor vehicle and his right hand is on the vehicle.

Excluding Sundays, it is perfectly legal for a York resident to shoot a Scotsman with a bow and arrow within the walls after sunset.

All English males over the age 14 are to carry out 2 or so hours of longbow practice a week supervised by the local clergy

It is illegal to be drunk on Licensed Premises (in a pub or bar).

Mince pies can not be eaten on Christmas day.

beat that.
Sir Noel.

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Is there possibility to just kick out post by myself?

Edited by - Shameless on 3/24/2003 10:17:31 AM

No shameless, only moderators of the particular forum or the administrators can delete posts.

You can edit your post, as you have done to this one. You can, however, email the moderator and ask that duplicates be removed.

Edited by - DenverDon on 3/24/2003 10:31:57 AM

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There is nothing more beautiful than girls in life and every honest justice department worker should see that any number of fists put in any girls orifice is no violence when she consents.

...and,Sir Noel: You really made me laugh!

Did Constance Le not understand me because I did put into question law of her country? She has been maybe lived too long in repressiv society...

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Leaving aside artistic merit for a second it would really depend on your community (and how that community is defined) and what the D.A. wanted to waste his time on. I do recall there was a case in Los Angeles County with Seymour Butts last year were they tried to nail him on a obscenty charge for supposed fisting... Eventually though he plead to a misdemeanor (creating a public nuisance, I think) and paid a fine.

Part of the reason the case was pled out to a misdemeanor is, at least I heard, that the District Attorney wasn't enthralled with the idea of spending a lot of money and time in court and the appeals court, trying to determine if a thumb constitutes a fist...Ect. But also it was rumored that no jury in L.A. would really convict anyone of obscenity since our community standards are so loose.

So basically like all things legal it would depend on something that would depend on something else that would largely depend on someone else's interpetation.

But yeah, in most legal parlance a thumb constitutes a fist and therefore it becomes fisting.

R

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Fisting is not 'forbidden', 'banned', or even illegal under Federal law. US producers, for the most part, make it
a policy not to show it. Or, if they've shot the footage, to only distribute it in Europe. Their fear, as evidenced by Seymore's experience, is being prosecuted by a city or county.

I can't presume to know why LA County tried to find fisting to be obscene. The 'violence' reasoning doesn't ring true for me as much as a generalized distaste for practices held to be primarily homosexual (as Speelie mentioned.) In fact, a key set of arguments in Seymore's trial centered on whether previous decisions holding that gay (male)fisting videos were not obscene could be used as evidence that the fisting in "Tampa Tushy Fest", between two females was also not obscene.

The reason this was interesting is that for LA County to hold that female - female fisting was obscene and male-male fisting was not, they'd have had to, basically, violate both California, and LA County civil rights legislation, that is, make a legal finding based solely on gender. Also, Seymore's attorney had a number of expert witnesses in the area of human sexuality ready to testify that fisting, while unusual, is not a 'deviant' or pathological practice.

Regards,

Scott Kinney
Diversified Video Associates
www.xxx-imports.com

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