To address your original request, anyone over 18 would by definition not be a runaway, as the term only applies to minors. After 18 you're just plain old on your own.
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But a hard session of master and slave play with your wife is one thing; enjoying watching someone being unwillingly be sexually tortured is another. Enjoying watching knowing that someone is in a sex film because they are at the of their rope is akin to the latter, not the former.

Fetishizing the idea of sexually explicit videos containing young women who are desparate straights, and whose participation in these videos is at least an act of desparation, if not out right coersion is an indication of a desire for actual non-consensual sexual interaction with another human being (mediated by technology), and smacks of a poorly socialized individual.

But before condemning yours as an utterly wasted life, I will add on caveat:

Normally we don't have to believe that what we are seeing in a movie is real in order to enjoy and be effected by the film. People pretend to shoot people who pretend to die, and we are happy or sad or excited without actually believing that anyone actually died making the movie.

But pornography is so bad at creating a transparent experience for the viewer, that probably the only way to enjoy a pornographic depiction of your run-away fantasy is to believe that the women in question are actual real life runaways. At least in this respect, porn has failed you.

-T.C.

Edited by - TonyC on 1/15/2005 10:33:14 AM

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As far as my fetish with runaways. I diagree with you tony that it is the 'latter'...Because even though the runaway is at the end of her ropes she is still consenting...I find this no different than a new girl who starts stripping at the strip bar...Yes there is some coersion, but it is still her choice...
The attraction I find in runaways is there is a level of innocence that cannot be had with regular porn girls or faked runaway films...Whereas a regular porn worker usually becomes very callous and hard, and her innocence is thrown down the drain which for me is a turnoff. But yes, as far as a true runaway sex film, porn has failed me...

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But as I said before, fetishing the idea of sweet girls doing hardcore because they're desparate and feel like they have no choice is just weird. A forty year old woman who been fucked every night of the week and twice in the ass on Sunday can still be filled with innocense, curiousity and wonder when it comes to sex – and who couldn't use a little more innocense, curiousity and wonder in their lives, especially in our sexlives!

But there are better ways to get it than at the expense of someone who is truly down on their luck.

-T.C.

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I disagree..At least in my book not true innocense

I think for a women to exibit a true innocence she must be naive, inexpereinced, quiet, not many sexual partners or a virgin, and non abrasive. As well as in a lowered position, such as a runaway. In this position she is humbled to the ultimate degree, and that is where her true innocense comes out..Beggars cant be Choosers...'that' is what I like..

The problem is that this type of innocence is usually thrown down the drain at a very young age with todays women...and that is why I want to see it more....because Im so damn tired of abrasive, hard, money oriented, disobediant, loud mouthed, club-going typish women...

Edited by - Renton405 on 1/15/2005 10:57:40 PM

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No reason...But obedient women are more femenine and innocent... Isnt fememenity in its essence supossed to be soft, caring, warm, obedient, and non abrasive???

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-T.C.

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So how does Renton405 classify sassiness?

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I hope porn becomes better at portraying fantasy, someday.

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It's sad, isn't it?

I can easily envision a sexually explicit story line in which a young wafe from a troubled background meets a kindly, older, and yes, slightly domineering man who opens her up to the possiblity of sex being a wonderful, joyous, and powerfully connecting experience between two people. In my mind's eye I can see what it would look like, how it would be photographed and even how the story ends (Here's a hint: he ends up alone.) And yes, some of the power dynamics between the young girl and her older lover would be a little edgy. One person wanting to control another person with her consent but against her will us usually edgy territory. (Also, I'm still not sure there's any way to put a ten minute stroke scene in the middle of a narritive story without ruining both. I'm studying musicals for inspiration.)

But even if such a story could be produced it's rediculous and somewhat disturbing to think that the only way an audience could be move is if they truly believed that the woman playing the part of the waif was from a desparate and disadvantaged background. Can you imagine if we expected/needed this from all movies? (My wife and I watched Saving Private Ryan on our new six speaker home theater system. Upsetting enough knowing full well it's all make believe!)

For the time being we're going to have to be satisfied with BTS footage and other quasi reality devices to get any real and/or believable sense of character or context.

-T.C.

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I think just because a woman is a certain age or even sexually experienced doesn't mean she still can't be somewhat innocent and naive.It's not like all women become empowered and assertive and all knowing at 25.Some of them are still shy,naive,inexperienced,etc.Oh sorry I was talking about myself.

I personally do like the fantasy of "innocence lost"in porn.That's why I really like to see new girls,and my fetish of anal/dp,because it's not the norm for most.I love thinking"she's so cute,she's like that 18 year old that works at Subway,now she's gonna take a DP from two big black guys?"The subtext that many of these girls,but months ago were in high school and now this cutie has a dick in her ass and is swallowing the cum of some guy she met only an hour or so ago,is very erotic to me.

Of course I think all of these scenarios are more erotic because I am very inexperienced sexually,so I don't fully understand my own or others sexuality.Although I understand and can appreciate the idea that having sex on film,mulitple partners in real life or sex for money,in the grand scheme of things shouldn't be EVIIIILLLLLLL!!!-there is also that part of me that thinks"I wonder what's going through her head now,she's got 3 guys jacking off in her mouth."

The closest thing to your idea I've found is,(Don't throw anything!)Ed Powers.You'll find alot of intersting girls in his vids,and their stories.Of course Ed tries to downplay or censor some of them when they want to say"I'm here for the money",there is that.And you can see alot of the girls aren't sure if what they are doing is right for them.

It was mentioned awhile ago in another thread about one particular Ed video.I found it,with the whole background of the girl,to be very erotic.The girl was probably in her mid 20's or so,very nervous,and she decided to get into porn to make some money so she could get out of her mother's house and support her kids.You can clearly see the"this is what it's come to?"look on her face.She even talks about how she feels it's prostituting herself(well duh!)and she doesn't think she'll last long because she doesn't like to do oral.

Heh,I won't tell you how it turns out but I found it amusing.She does Ed,and I think she went on to make less than a handful of other vids.

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Edited by - Walter Burns on 1/16/2005 5:37:45 PM

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Bah...inevitably the girl pup grows up...

Sincerely, your obedient servant,
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-T.C.

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I'm not quite sure what a handmaiden is, but I don't think I have one.

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But I THINK women these days are going against their femeninity on purpose because they crave the power position of the man role. So in turn, they act more abrasive, swear alot, become callous, alterior motived, usually divorced later on, and very arrogant and disrespectful....Women really should just lay it down and accept their femenine roots rather than fight it...I think its the main reason for all the divorces in this country

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Innocence is a beautiful thing. I'd rather someone who has it, kept it. And I'd certainly never want to see it violated and lost to a pimp with a camera.

I guess I have a different view on it than men do tho'.

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Innocence can get you cheated by con men, infected with HIV, killed in a car smash. It can make you vote for murderous dictators. I really don't see what use it is to anybody.

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I don't see that you view about not enjoying actually coersive sex is any different from the view held by men that I know. Maybe you should find some better men to hang out with.

-T.C.

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If you consider your point about voting for murderous dictators, the people who voted in Hitler, Mussolini (and some might add, "perhaps the second Bush term") were far from innocent. They were, or are, naive. The two don't go hand in hand.

Edited by - Danielle on 1/18/2005 12:13:11 AM

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