If you know of a movie that uses something that sounds like one of these scenes, please let me know. As far as I'm aware these haven't been done before. 1.) Two mysterious men travel back in time to a slavery auction, where they buy several young female slaves, which they then take to the present day, keep them in a dungeon, and train them for sex. I'm thinking this could be sort of a Time Machine/M.I.B. thing (they could use the memory zapper) 2.) Somebody goes to zetacreations and buys a shitload of animal dildos to try out on an unsuspecting wife or girlfriend. Think of it as a dildo taste test. 3.) A pregnant wife/girlfriend puts on a cowbell and slips a blindfold around her partner. Her partner has to find her by sound in order to fuck her (from the rear, preferably). Later get her hooked up to a milk machine and let her go to it.
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Your very first post is a slavery auction? Highly offensive. IMO you are a troll trying to mess up the forum. But you are right. I should let the mods handle you.
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Posted - Jan 28 2008 : 6:13PM
Highly offensive? Hmmm, what do you find offensive about this mans erotic fantsay? If we switch the roles and say a Black man keeps several white women, or Asian women as sex slaves, would this be offensive to you as well? This question begs to be asked. BTW I am the wife half asking this. I'm real curious to hear your answer.
Black, white, yellow... it shouldn't make a difference. Is nothing off the table? Why don't we make them prepubescent little girls? Its just fantasy right? Lets brand them because they are now property. We could do all sorts of things to break their will. Execute one of the slaves so the rest won't even think about running away. Don't forget to sever there vocal cords so they can scream. There is no limit to what one could fantasize about. Not for me but I'm sure someone would get off on it.
Why set limits on our fantasies? Max Hardcore already did the prepubescent girl thing with Extreme Schoolgirls. Branding would be kinda sexy I think....put a (temporary) tattoo of the person they're fucking? It's workable. Why would there have to be any breaking of will? Why would that fantasy advocate any violence? (BTW I see PLENTY of violence with the slapping/choking fetish) This topic reminds me. I was watching Michael Ninn's Pussy Kat the other day and I was thinking--has anybody ever created a scene where a performer had a working tail (via CGI or otherwise?) Mutant person sex is hot.
Actually the slavery thing sounds like a damned good idea for a porn. I could easily find that to be entertaining. In a world with implied rape porn, I'm not sure why implied or actual slavery is such a bad thing. There are plenty of gangland, white boy stomp, white trash whore, various gagging films both Black Gag and Fuck my Skull 3 heavily imply rape in some of their scenes. If you had hot chicks I'd watch a slavery based porn. I'd probably lean away from racial overtones, but since nearly every race and country has been involved in slavery you don't have to have white men with black girls. You can have white girls sold by Vikings, or Roman girls, or Egyptian girls. So on and so forth. It sounds like a decent idea for a porn. As for the Zetacreations, that doubles as a good idea as well. I just can't see it being a good dvd. I think it stands out as one of those things where you would need to get one really hot girl and make it into her gimmick. Just my opinion. My two cents is that there is one thing in the world that infact does not need more cowbell. And that's porn.
Honestly, it's the travel back to slavery time bit that I find somewhat offensive. Just because it implies and can very easily promote and exploit the negative prejudices and discriminations against African-Americans during that time. If it's done in modern times, then I have no problem with it at all.
A movie is art. Art does not make you do things. If art makes you think: then it accomplishes it's purpose. Racism still exists in this world, and will continue to exist with or without film. I think if we can't choose to look at something that happened in the past in another light, as something that might be erotic, then we limit our abilities for future progress in terms of racism. Do you always want to think of yourself as: that poor darkie, her great great grandparents were slaves, therefore everyone else around her must pay reparations in thought and deed from now until forever. When does the wound heal? Might I also say I am a slave--to a job? A slave to my class? A slave to my age?
You basically want to see a bdsm movie with a story line. I don't recall race being mentioned. or something along the lines of The Libertine w/ Johnny Depp.? Ol Timey Wench's whorin it up?
My problems with bdsm are a.) leather b.)people shouting things c.)violence (slapping/hitting/choking) No. What I have in mind would be some action shots of buying the slaves and then using some chloroform or something and some special effects showing them taking them someplace. I'm picturing a nice too brightly lit clean white room like at the end of 2001. There's maybe a long rectangular window, a door with a keycode, some blankets. Some cameras around (sociological experimentation?). By erasing the girls memory they've also erased a good deal of culture...you could have the girls acting ferral like they were raised by wolves...calmed by the presence of this guy who comes in and teaches them how to make love.... I didn't like Libertine. Not like Libertine.
Isn't BDSM an implied choice by all parties involved? The slave designate always has an out, right? Let me take my personal feelings out of it. What kind of market is there for "realistic" sexual slavery or rape? If Hostel wasn't real enough for our friend Cammy, how far is it necessary to goto achieve a level of authenticity? Sorry for asking so may questions but I want to know what those who think this is an acceptable direction for porn to go. I'm sure there are plenty of underground movies that portray this very theme. Unfortunately they probably are not acting. The debate can transcend race. What about white slavery? What's the market for a pornographic movie about the possible fate of Natalee Holloway or Madeleine McCann?
You might have been better off with a Sci-Fi storyline, than messing with the racial overtones of slavery. One that casts the oppressors as primates, rather than any human, and referred the scene from the Planet of the Apes. When Charlton Heston was incarcerated like an animal, and consequently matched with a mute female, they naturally selected one that represented no less, than the Planet's eurobabe equivalent, they apparently captured running half naked around the countryside, much like an escaped slave. I think there was little doubt, the intent was to target, and capture the fascination of every red blooded male viewer in the house, of how interesting it would be, to bunk up with a cage mate like "Nova" and expected by your captors to "proliferate" like rabbits.
It's always the first person with the new idea that nobody likes. The second person with the same idea you'll probably love. Everybody shoots the messenger. Everybody hates taking risks and changing. In my script, the prisoner does indeed escape, with kinky results. Do you consider violence against men that bad?
It’s one thing to make an artistic film that makes you think about slavery and what happened as a way to educate people… but what you described doesn’t come across as artistic in the least. You’re talking about the exploitation and glorification of the buying and/or mistreatment of African slaves (ie: dosing them with chloroform, etc.) in a sexual manner to satisfy some perverted fantasy of yours. There’s a HUGE difference there.
It’s not the violence aspect that’s bad, it’s the fact that you’re premise does nothing but attempt to glorify the negative ideas behind slavery and racism and do it in such a way that you can “get off” to it.
Africans sold each other as slaves. Jews sold each other as slaves. Slaves went all over the place. Many slaves were actually treated very well. I don't think you can lay fault with anyone on the issue of slavery. Those Southerners needed their cotton crops in, and they needed a way to distinguish people they had bought from their indentured servants. If you think the buying of a slave for personal use is offensive and exploitative, I might point you in the direction of some Mark Twain novels that happened to be banned. Chloroform is not mistreatment, it is making someone very sleepy, and it happened ALOT in old detective movies. Sex is not violence or abuse. Sex is good. What has happened in the last 50 or more years since the Civil Rights movement? I see films like: "Train My White Ass". Are you saying it's ok for one race to be slaves and not some other? That's racism.
Does racism still exist? Yes. Has racism gotten any better in the past hundred years? No. Can we make money off racism? Yes. Still I think that you're putting a spin on this where there doesn't need to be one.
You're missing the point. It's not about WHO is in power over the slaves, it's about you trying to promote the negative aspects of the slavery and racism of Africans. It's like someone trying to do the same premise with a backdrop in Nazi Germany, but having some people mistreat Jews and twist it around sexually for the sake of your perversion. Don't you see anything remotely wrong with that?? If not, I think you need some help.
Actually, I think it's gotten remarkably better in the past 100yrs.I'm not spinning anything. You're the one who's trying to say that it should be alright to make a film that exploits the mistreatment of Africans as slaves for the sake of sexual perversion.
Mankind has always been cutting one another's throats. Do you not believe that hawks have always preyed upon pigeons? Then if hawks have always had the same nature, what reason can you give why mankind should not change theirs? --Voltaire We do not see, or we forget, that the birds which are idly singing around us mostly live on insects and seeds, and are thus constantly destroying life. --Darwin Your moral indignation strikes me as jealousy. I think you need to learn a little bit more about film history. Start with: "Birth Of A Nation" and then try some Fellini.
If I could see the point you’re trying to make with these analytical quotes, then I might be able to give you a response. Or perhaps you just wanted to try and post some round about, out-there nonsense so you could hint at saying something without actually saying it and having people know what the hell you were talking about?
*looks around* Uh. I'm curious about this one. They could title it: More Cowbell! but I wonder if it should be a fucking machine instead of a milking machine. Or maybe both.
Let me get this straight... people on this board are actually trying to enforce POLITICAL CORRECTNESS when it comes to PORN? Personally, black girls don't turn me on much, so I wouldn't really go for it. The time travel bit involves a few too many neurons for a porn movie. But, I've run across vids of hot girls being treated like slaves for sale (I don't give a shit about the details as to why), and I found it entertaining fantasy. If someone wanted to make a video with men being purchased by women and they can find people to buy it, that's great too. And if they're black women buying oriental men, more power to them. I couldn't care less about the fucking stereotypes that are being reinforced by a stupid fucking PORN MOVIE. It's FANTASY, people. It's something you find interesting and erotic for as long as it takes to jerk off, and then you throw it in the trash with the rest of the porn.
Reread the thread. Asking where do you draw the line. Anything goes in fantasy. Its totally different when put the fantasy on film. Many women have sexual fantasies of being forcibly raped. Does that mean they want to see it on film? Another fantasy is to screw your daughters high school aged best friend. Fifteen year olds are looking better and better. Its just a fantasy but its a fantasy society had deemed morally unacceptable aka POLITICALLY CORRECT. Animals? Whatever floats your boat.
No, it doesn't change when you put it on film. Is filming rape ok? Obviously it is there are plenty of porn movies that involve rape or atleast implied rape. Go watch the first scene of Fuck my Skull 3 and tell me that Mika Tan wasn't raped? Go watch the first scene of Anal Princess Diaries and tell me that Hillary Scott wasn't raped (or atleast that it was implied). We've crossed that bridge some time ago. Also I don't understand why everybody keeps mentioning racism and blacks. America is not the only place that Slavery took place. There is absolutely no reason that a series based on time travel and buying slaves from times an places where it was legal couldn't be all about Rome, or China, or Egypt, or Isreal. Hell that's how I'd do it.
Many of the examples you listed are ILLEGAL to DEPICT -- child porn, etc. Depiction of slavery is not illegal so far as I know. The entire INDUSTRY of porn is deemed "morally unacceptable" to large parts of the population. If that's the standard we're using, then we're in deep shit. If it's legal from a free speech standpoint, then I would give them the benefit of the doubt. The main exception to that I can think of is if the depiction is something that people would likely emulate. In those cases, I would apply the "60 Minutes Rule" -- is this something you would be comfortable defending on the TV show 60 Minutes? There are video games that are based around the protagonist raping women -- personally, I would say that crosses the line. On the other hand, a porn movie could depict Spanish Conquistadors landing in the new world and fucking the innocent native girls up the ass. Obviously politically incorrect, as many people object to the European exploitation of the New World, but it's not something that anyone is going to emulate after watching it. Slavery is more like the latter than the former. I really doubt that a movie depicting slavery is going to cause ANYONE to go out and buy themselves a slave for sexual gratification. So the debate is really about political correctness, not public safety.
How did this thread start? It wasn't about morals. It wasn't even about political correctness. It was about one posters desire to see their sexual fantasy of humans being bought and sold in mainstream porn. On an open forum such as this, its implied that the poster expects a reaction. That reaction can be supportive, critical or indifferent. I chose to be critical of their post. Others who decided to respond were supportive or indifferent. Who is more right? IMO, no one. I never said that the poster does not have the right to post, view, or produce such films depicting their fantasy. Are opposing opinions prohibited? Cammy had a fantasy. I said Cammy's fantasy was stupid (in my own special way). Cammy said I offended them by calling their fantasy stupid. I said Cammy's fantasy was offensive. Others chimed in on both sides. This is not a civil liberties issue. I never called for Cammy to be banned or even warned. I merely showed my displeasure at Cammy's first post ever on ADT in my own humorous fashion and I was a little suspicious. That's why I wanted people to reread the thread. Cammy has every right to be a morally bankrupt, sexually deviant dwelling on the fringes of society and I have the right to call 'em on it. (DISCLAIMER - FOR THOSE WITH IMPAIRED REASONING SKILLS, THE ABOVE STATEMENT WAS A JOKE.)
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Posted - Feb 12 2008 : 6:07PM
Alright explain dummy how the fuck does one "travel back to slavery time" how is that is that possible? are you an idiot. Do not answer my question because you do not need to. Please don't because it will make you seem like a worse moron and you do not need that.Let's not.
Posted - Jan 27 2008 : 5:05PM
and expected by your captors to "proliferate" like rabbits.
