I run across pro/am stuff from time to time where a new girl actually thinks she's entitled to enjoy the sex like the guy was her boyfriend. I'm wondering if people have any suggestions for girls that are known for this or video series that tend to have a lot of those kinds of situations.
One good example of this is Jesse from Real Sex Magazine 30 and some of the Shane's World vids -- the director and male stud are stunned when she tells the guy not to fuck her so hard, or to switch to the position she likes, or not to cum on her face, or not to pull her hair, etc... At the same time, when she is actually enjoying herself, her moans and comments are very candid... none of the usual "fuck my ass deeper like the little slut I am" kind of shit... instead she self-consciously admits "oh, I like that!" and "keep doing that, it feels so good!" At the end of one of her scenes she refused to suck his cock because she didn't like the taste of his cum, and then ignored him when he wanted her to tit-fuck him and instead started wiping his load off her chest.
Another good example is Brooke in a number of her early vids, though she went beyond wanting to enjoy herself and actually was more just a bitch with an attitude (although this was amusing to watch).
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Eric381 Deactivated User
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Posted - Nov 12 2006 : 6:16PM
Sounds like the "Diva" syndrome if you ask me. The girls in such instances need the job more than the director(s) need her, IMO.
FWIW, I heard tell of a couple performers on various occasions in such predicaments from inside sources. However, I'm not here to make either party look like a douche-bag, so I'll refrain from posting any names.
You tend to see this a bunch in the Amateur shoots. Check out about any of the b/g vids on KarupsHA or ATKGalleria and you'll encounter this with all kinds of gals. I like a liberated woman personally, and I love it when they "take charge" and tell the guy "no." One of my fave scenes is with very early Valerie Vasquez (just goes by the name of Valerie on KarupsHA) where she's getting boned in mish and then tells the guy to let her ride his cock. She climbs on board and then proceeds to give herself orgasm after orgasm on top of him until he finally pretty much has to throw her off to finish himself off missionary...she even complains about having to quit riding him.
I love authenticity in a fuck scene. In real life, girls get a choice...why not porn girls also?
It's not really, Loraine. I like those scenes where the girl has obviously come for sweet, sweet loving and instead a gonzo scene breaks out. I've seen a couple of American Bukakkes where the girl was clearly expecting something else and gets led into a warehouse full of miscreants willing to pull their puds in front of each other. The girls are so obviously and hilariously surprised, but as you watch the scene and it's explained to them that, "hey, this is the deal- you let these 65 men splooge on your face or you can not work today" and you get to see them make these little moral compromises within themselves and finally they settle down on the visqueen covered semen receiving fixture it's pretty cool.
Your 65 man splooge example hasn't convinced me of much Bornyo. I still think a thread where a woman who shows enthusiasm for the sex she's engaged in is considered somehow weird or that her genuine responses makes her a "Diva", is strange.
"the director and male stud are stunned when she tells the guy not to fuck her so hard, or to switch to the position she likes, or not to cum on her face, or not to pull her hair, etc... At the same time, when she is actually enjoying herself, "
Perhaps the director and the stud may realise they aren't fucking an automaton. Or isn't this the kind of realism that porn viewers are wanting to see?
No. I don't want to see women who don't even want to be there...much less do anything that might be the slightest bit edgy.
I do like porn to be as realistic as possible but that's a little TOO realistic. Porn is supposed to be fantasy. An escape from harsh realities.
Look at it this way. (I'm going to generalize a bit here just to make a point). Men like porn. Women are more partial to things like soap operas.
What do these two things have in common? They're both fantasy. In real life, most average men will never have the kind of sex that's the norm in a gonzo flick. On the flip side of the coin, most women will never find the man of their dreams. The men in soaps are completely unrealistic. They're all very handsome, have really good jobs, are perfect lovers and on and on. You watch a soap, you don't see Joe Sixpack sitting on the couch drinking beer and scratching his balls. That's more realistic male behavior. You don't often see it on TV or the movies unless it's a comedy or something but that's the reality of it. Women don't want to see that because they can see it anytime. They want to see "prince charming".
Same applies to men and porn. We can have women tell us "NO" all day long every day. It isn't at all unusual and most men don't enjoy being rejected. It's when they say "yes" and allow us to fulfill our fantasies that is a special occasion. There are those women who love the freak and the kink a lot of us desire. Those are the women of our dreams. They look nice. They dress well. They look like the often mentioned "girl next door". They're attractive and take care of themselves. And they love kinky, freaky, nasty hardcore sex. They aren't all that common but you'd think there would be more of them in the porn business than there actually are.
I personally have no problem with women who don't like cum, domineering men, or who don't want a ten inch dick in their ass. I just don't want to see them in hardcore porn. It's like choosing to play full contact football and expecting not to get tackled. There's always softcore for those girls.
I do prefer that women in porn always enjoy themselves. That's why I think a lot of these women need to be more selective in who they work with. People should enjoy their jobs or do something else.
Other than the soap opera analogy, I can see RP's point. As for the topic starter, what you're describing sounds like bad porn. Actual complaints from the girl should be edited out, and if she complains through an entire scene, her scene should be scrapped. She shouldn't make the cut.
On the other hand, I think it's great if the girl directs some of the action, demanding what she likes. I just watched Mia Rose do that to Manuel Ferrara in a scene. It was awesome.
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